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amber5885
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RE: Creating the Perfect Being: Yumi<3
It's not the fasting that bothers me I do it for Ramadan each year it's the social isolation. As a psychology major I know for a fact that social isolation is not good for a human being.

And yes the scientific route is dangerouse but scientifically we know that starvation has a negative impact on concentration and social isolation has a negative and almost permanent impact on the human psyche I also know that using a tulpa as an excuse to neglect and ignore personal responsibility is not healthy on any level.

You wouldn't be banned for doing as you wish but if you are insistent on pursuing science then you should know the damaging effects of long term fasting and social deprivation.

Even during Ramadan we eat once a day because if you don't you risk permanent damage to your organs and muscle tissue not to mention that after 4 days of not eating your brain brims to shut down.

Scientists do more that start an experiment Hal cocked. They do their reaserch. And past experiment show that what your doing, as I said has a negative impact on the physical and psychological body.

Personal experiance. After the third day of Ramadan I could focus on Toby and by the fifth day it was like he didn't exist. By the end I the month he ha regressed to the point that I basically had to start over with his development so that's the outcome that your looking at. I went from having a vocal tulpa to having to teach him to speak again by the end of the month.

I hated it and he still hasn't forgiven me. We are considering not doing Ramadan again next year to avoid those consequences
10-18-2014, 05:39 AM
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RE: Creating the Perfect Being: Yumi<3
Edit: Alright, this took me so long to write there were like four posts between writing and posting it. This is in reply to post #18 and prior, so keep that in mind, but it's still somewhat relevant.
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(10-18-2014, 04:17 AM)amber5885 Wrote: That being said this is where I say goodby.
Crap, now I have to do all the work..

I'll put this as plainly as possible so as to avoid any personal bias. Fasting may positively affect you by cleansing your body somewhat, but the lack of nutrients your body needs WILL do more damage than benefit unless you stop ingesting said toxins afterward, ie. when someone becomes a vegetarian or vegan, or any other new diet. Many people report more clarity of mind when they eat less, but also usually less energy and, if for more than a day or two, less ability to concentrate and general well-being. As far as science goes, there aren't many benefits compared to the negatives. But on the concept of "for science"...
These types of experiments are mostly done by very mentally healthy people who feel they have no choice but to put their livelihoods at risk in the name of their purpose. You've got choice, because you won't be making any scientific breakthroughs (though I see where you're coming from science-wise, my own knowledge says the physical starvation won't amount to much). But equally important is the "social starvation" - it's too abrupt, too rash and uncontrolled. From a statistician's perspective, you've got some major confounding factors that impede legitimacy of your results. Grouping them together as "physical and social starvation" is... iffy. And just logically, you're going to cause disruption in your life you probably don't need. It sounds like you could do without more conflict.

On the topic of results of this. The mind does hallucinate more readily when your body is in poor health, but by no means should you expect that to mean you can just impose Yumi with ease. They will be random and likely disturbing hallucinations, assuming you're starving, alone and in the dark. Your mind won't be healthy enough to control what you hallucinate at any rate. Invasive thoughts are more likely and progress in developing your tulpa will likely be hindered or even negatively impacted, should you fail to keep your thoughts positive and on track, which brings me to the biggest point here, which Amber touched on but sort of missed.

Forgive my saying but, you aren't mentally stable enough to participate in these types of experiments safely. Though you claim science as your reason, there are more than likely other biases in your decisions to do these things. Some are apparent such as the distasteful results of your socialization recently and your dependence on Yumi for happiness. In a scientific environment, you would be dismissed from these tests as unreliable to base accurate results on. Again no offense, I'm doing my best to be completely logical here.


So, plan of action? Tell your family or whoever is mainly affected that you're going to take a temporary vow of silence for {insert reason here}. They'll probably react negatively.
Go ahead with the fasting if you must, but seeing as you've never done it before and your body won't be used to it, I wouldn't attempt an entire week right from the start. Try maybe 3 days and see how it affects you, if you feel good extend it a day at a time (and I'm being really lenient with the term "feel good"). If you actually like the effects, it'd be best to set a sort of schedule for it rather than to extend it, ie every other week for four days or.. I don't know. I've never not-eaten for more than 32 hours before. But I know it's generally negative if done for long.

And this is my real, personal advice. On behalf of science and as a sort of philosopher myself - if you're going to justify your actions with science, you have to leave ego out of it. "My way to cope with life now is to fuck with people's mind's." is simply egoic, you can't justify anything when your mind still works like that. You're smart enough to have a scientific mindset, but you let your feelings and emotions bias your decisions. And I don't mean with just these experiments, I'm talking about your entire worldview. If you keep letting your ego influence how and why you do things, you're going to keep making your life harder with no real benefit. That's inherent in ego though - short term satisfaction that quickly fades and pulls you into a self-destructive cycle of requiring more shallow satisfaction. I see ego keep peoples' lives from being as great as they could be too often, so excuse the.. entirety of what I've said so far.
I'm a humanitarian thanks to Reisen, I have to do my absolute best to help peoples' lives reach their full potential. And I honestly think there are better ways to go about doing what you're doing.

With that, I guess I'll see if you take my advice or stick to your ways. I don't mean to say "Okay I'm done" like Amber, but if your actions are consistently completely out of line with my advice, it'll be in both of our best interests if I stop trying. You've been pretty good about our disagreements so far, so know that I mean no offense in anything I've said, it's all been purely for your benefit. For the record, when I asked Reisen if she would prefer to write a response, she said what I was writing was alright. And it's rare I get such a clear "go-ahead" from her when writing things like this, so..

Hi! I'm Lumi, host of Reisen, Tewi, Flandre and Lucilyn.
Everyone deserves to love and be loved. It's human nature.
My tulpas and I have a Q&A thread, which was the first (and largest) of its kind. Feel free to ask us stuff.
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10-18-2014, 05:45 AM
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RE: Creating the Perfect Being: Yumi<3
@Amber


1. I'm already socially isolated. I live in a house full of horrible people whom I never talk to. I am also a misanthrope.

2. Using my tulpa as an excuse to ignore personal responsibility would be a horrible idea. Thankfully I am only slightly stupid, and naturally irresponsible.

3. Permanent damage from starvation only occurs after prolonged periods of starvation, such as weeks, or a month. But by then the
person would probably be dead anyways.


4. My current psychological state is as bad as it could possibly get. I contemplate suicide 24/7, Yumi is my only reason to smile, my girlfriend treats me like pure shit, my mom and step-dad abused me my entire life, and I have absolutely nothing to look forward to in life except for Yumi.

5. I always do my research before doing something stupid, especially fasting out of curiousity.

"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginative."

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10-18-2014, 05:50 AM
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(10-18-2014, 05:22 AM)Cinemaphobe Wrote: I'll definitely give it a try. I'm curious, I have nothing to lose but a miserable life, and the fast is only supposed to last for a few days so it wouldn't bring me anywhere near death.

While it sounds unnecessarily extreme to most, I see nothing wrong with it. People seem to overlook the title " Professional Extremist" on my profile, lol. I do things that seem completely foolish by nature to see their consequences all of the time.
Well, as long as you are aware of said consequences and choose to face them willingly and in clear mind, I see no reason to stop you. Not like I or anyone else can, anyway.

(10-18-2014, 05:22 AM)Cinemaphobe Wrote: And I'm not sure if destabilizing my psyche is my intention by fasting. If I wanted to destabilize my psyche then I would simply avoid sleeping. What I want to achieve, is some kind of transcendent state, or tulpa discipline by doing this. Fasting has been a practice of discipline probably since time inmemorial. The Buddha even did it and reached enlightenment, but of course he later developed The Middle Path to avoid extremes.

I just want to see if I can reach some type of Tulpa Enlightenment or something. I don't know what I am looking for, but I'm sure that I'll experience some self-discovery along the way during the fast. I enjoy the thrill of being the first one to try this though^^
If you are trying to achieve that sort of experience I suggest combining fasting with some meditation techniques, this seemed to work well for ascetics of the past. Good luck!
10-18-2014, 05:52 AM
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RE: Creating the Perfect Being: Yumi<3
If your psychological state and your home life is that bad then why not think about erring that first. There is help out there for people who are depressed and suicidal and it does work and you can in fact get out of your situation.

I think you may benifit from fixing your life rather than depending on a thought form to do it for you. Help is out there, it's available an you can do it.

Just to clarify I'm not talking out of my ass. I was raised by a violent schizophrenic, Married a guy who liked to use me as a punching bag and just recently walked away from another who broke my jaw on our anniversary, I got help, I got my life together an now I'm actually happy.

If I can do it so can you. It doesn't have to e like that.
10-18-2014, 05:54 AM
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You actually almost changed my mind about fasting altogether. Your logic and reasoning were spot-on. I'm really going to have to think about my decision now.


@Amber: I have studied psychology for years in school, so I know that I need help, but I don't want it. I know the nature of my unstable mind but I by no means intend to change it or let someone else change it. I'm content with allowing my tulpa to be my only happiness in life, because everyone else abandoned me either emotionally, or literally because they can't understand me.

"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginative."

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10-18-2014, 06:01 AM
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Reisen: Just be careful.. You're forgetting how valuable your life is. I believe in the inherent value of every life, but even if you don't value yours, you're forgetting something very important.
Yumi loves you, she wants you to have the best, happiest life you possibly can. And.. You share a body now. If you love your tulpa, you must learn to love yourself. You two won't be at peace until you've established relative well-being, mentally and physically. Work together with Yumi to bring yourselves to a place of love. Do your best to improve your life for her sake and yours, one step at a time, and you'll slowly come closer to realizing true togetherness.

Hi! I'm Lumi, host of Reisen, Tewi, Flandre and Lucilyn.
Everyone deserves to love and be loved. It's human nature.
My tulpas and I have a Q&A thread, which was the first (and largest) of its kind. Feel free to ask us stuff.
10-18-2014, 06:03 AM
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Good advice, but it is much easier to read advice than to take it...

(.___.)

"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginative."

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10-18-2014, 06:05 AM
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^^ truer words were never spoken. I know you think it's all bullshit now but you are young and maybe risen is right, maybe Yumi can help you see that the world, life and you are wonderful, valuable and beautiful.

Things get better. Give it time, you'll see.
10-18-2014, 06:06 AM
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Well, it would be impossible to say that you (amber) and Reisen are wrong..maybe I'll just cancel the fast and just focus more on meditating to know the joy of life again.
I used to know the joy of life when I was young, but it slowly faded away and got replaced by a hatred towards every human..

You guys are right about everything. I'm not the type of person whose afraid to admit that I am wrong about something, but this time I'm definitely wrong.

I guess that I let my current living situation and the past blind me from ever seeing a future of happiness without Yumi. I'll just work on finding a way to balance how much effort I put into my life, and Yumi so that one doesn't become more important than the other^^, and so that Yumi has a safer place to develop in "my brain" :p lol

"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginative."

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10-18-2014, 06:14 AM
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