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Creation of a Universe
There is an idea out there... an idea of multiverses.

There is in fact no proof that this fits in with the known laws of physics... but technically since the mind makes it's own physics to follow then why can't there be some sort of universe we create within our mind? Perhaps... even the idea of a multiverse? (Although, since this is in the mind, it has been brought up in discussion that a better word would be the idea of multiple paracosms. To the tupper though, it is pretty much interpreted as universes.)

I might have been able to find the answer to this question, but it came to be a lot more powerful than I expected. I have created another universe, one in which originated from the idea of "Equestria." (To non-bronies, please don't judge me for wanting to go into a land of colorful ponies. >_> ) Anyway, it was moreover an experiment you can say... just something I've decided would be fun for my tulpas and I to explore. I created a "portal" in my mindscape where it would be a gateway to this large idea of another universe. Although, the concept of reality has been altered for me now.... As I've met characters in the universe I wasn't exactly forcing them. Then something REALLY interesting happened.... one of my favorite characters, Fluttershy, apparently told me a secret of hers. She said that she was trying to create a tulpa. O_O Reason why is because she has been so interested in how animals have consciousness and how others have it as well.

I am going to state again: I was NOT forcing them. It appeared that every single character was a "potential" tulpa, but still lived in another universe with their own memories of their lives in the show. I told Fluttershy the truth, she was shocked.... but then she understood. She said she wanted to come with me.



It has now dawned onto me, this would be a great thing for me to ask if anyone else has had something like this happen to them.

Even more so, it would be a great topic to research upon.

I'm not sure if this is "normal" for tulpamancers to experience, because I have just come into the phenomenon in January, 2014. Although, nevertheless, I ask some of you to try it out and see the different strategies that can accomplish it. It doesn't have to be Equestria, just a whole extra universe or multiverse structure within your mind with other sentient beings flourishing... whom might be "potential tulpas." I'd prefer it if you gave me a link to some sort of google doc or something of the sort containing the experience if you have tried it out. Even if it wasn't accomplished, if anything "interesting" happened I guess you can make a document for that as well.... whatever you'd like to do I suppose.

I'm planning on collecting all of the different links and putting them up here in an organized list showing everyone's individual experiences.
  • ReincarnationsGarden: link

Below this is a list of collective techniques that appear to be universal between everyone's experiences. (thanks to "Waffles" for the more broader view)
  • You imagine yourself in some 'starting' space.
  • You explore the world, with the expectation that you will uncover suitable other features.
  • Your interactions with characters you meet conform broadly to expectation - if you have a preconception of who that character is then they will probably act that way.

Below is a list of other techniques (more specific view -- not always necessary techniques)
  • Starts out as large idea tucked inside background memory.
  • Universe can be accessed once a connection to it is formed. (examples: portal, wormhole, doorway...)
  • To keep the universe "stable" you need to make sure you continue to believe it is actually stable in one way or another, otherwise expectation isn't there to make it possible

Below is a list of findings
  • Each fully developed character acts to have their own memory.
  • Each fully developed character has the potential to become a tulpa if brought back to the mindscape.

Well, I guess if you feel capable of accomplishing this then I'd like to hear of your experiences. Smile Again, make sure to give me a link to it rather than typing it out in a post. It'll just be easier to compare them if they are all together in a list together as links.

Thanks. Big Grin
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04-17-2014, 05:47 PM
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We'd be down to experiment with this. We've actually thought about this before. If anything comes of it, we'll let you know.

Nope.
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(04-17-2014, 05:56 PM)AvengedSevenfold Wrote: We'd be down to experiment with this. We've actually thought about this before. If anything comes of it, we'll let you know.

Sounds great! Big Grin Personally I think I'm going to try it out again by creating a universe from scratch... see what comes out from it if I allow a lot of specific ideas to form by themselves rather than from a tv show. I suppose that is another thing I can experiment at the moment.

Thankyou for the feedback. Smile I'm excited to see where this research goes....
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RE: Creation of a Universe
(04-17-2014, 05:47 PM)Techoh Wrote: There is in fact no proof that this fits in with the known laws of physics... but technically since the mind makes it's own physics to follow then why can't there be some sort of universe we create within our mind? Perhaps... even the idea of a multiverse?

Point of order: while the existence of real multiverses is, by definition, unverifiable by physics, many physical theories do predict them on some levels - most notably cosmic inflation and the Everett interpretation of quantum mechanics.




(04-17-2014, 05:47 PM)Techoh Wrote: It has now dawned onto me, this would be a great thing for me to ask if anyone else has had something like this happen to them.

What you describe is an exceedingly common experience reported very frequently. It's usually accepted that characters within such an imagined world aren't actually tulpas, at least until you treat them as such, but I guess that's up for debate.


I'm sorry I can't give you my own experiences, because I have few, but I can substitute with others'.

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  • Starts out as large idea tucked inside background memory.
Not necessarily. Creation of the world will probably come more easily if you have some conception of what it should be like beforehand, but really you could start it off as a completely new idea and explore from there just as well.

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  • Universe can be accessed once a connection to it is formed. (examples: portal, wormhole, doorway)
That's really just symbolism, and there's nothing preventing you from simply imagining yourself there to begin with.

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  • Each fully developed character has their own memories.
More generally, they act as if they have their own memories, and more generally still they act as if they are that character (or, if they are original, then some original character).

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  • Each fully developed character has the potential to become a tulpa if brought back to the mindscape.
That's not really a feature specific to such imagined worlds though, because you can make a tulpa out of any character, regardless of whether or not you met them like this beforehand.

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  • To keep the universe "stable" you need to make sure you continue to believe it is actually stable in one way or another, otherwise paradoxes or anomalies form within the mind.
That's really just a specific form of "conforms to expectation", which is true for anything imagined, really. So again, not specific to this.


I think the important collective techniques are:
  • You imagine yourself in some 'starting' space.
  • You explore the world, with the expectation that you will uncover suitable other features.
  • Your interactions with characters you meet conform broadly to expectation - if you have a preconception of who that character is then they will probably act that way.
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RE: Creation of a Universe
Quote:Although, the concept of reality has been altered for me now.... As I've met characters in the universe I wasn't exactly forcing them. Then something REALLY interesting happened.... one of my favorite characters, Fluttershy, apparently told me a secret of hers. She said that she was trying to create a tulpa.

I've experienced this myself with the game series Touhou Project, right down to Alice Margatroid, a character who made dolls and wanted to make a living one, making a tulpa of her own.
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RE: Creation of a Universe
(04-17-2014, 07:33 PM)waffles Wrote: Point of order: while the existence of real multiverses is, by definition, unverifiable by physics, many physical theories do predict them on some levels - most notably cosmic inflation and the Everett interpretation of quantum mechanics.

I understand that there are many physical theories that allow a multiverse.... I was simply stating that to state the fact that not "everyone" believes in it.

(04-17-2014, 07:33 PM)waffles Wrote: What you describe is an exceedingly common experience reported very frequently. It's usually accepted that characters within such an imagined world aren't actually tulpas, at least until you treat them as such, but I guess that's up for debate.

Ok, that's good to know! Big Grin

(04-17-2014, 07:33 PM)waffles Wrote: I'm sorry I can't give you my own experiences, because I have few, but I can substitute with others'.

ok. Smile

(04-17-2014, 07:33 PM)waffles Wrote: Not necessarily. Creation of the world will probably come more easily if you have some conception of what it should be like beforehand, but really you could start it off as a completely new idea and explore from there just as well.

That's probably a better way of saying it... I can see what you mean.

(04-17-2014, 07:33 PM)waffles Wrote: That's really just symbolism, and there's nothing preventing you from simply imagining yourself there to begin with.

That's pretty much a concept I've developed so far. Smile I guess I should probably state how all of these ideas are symbolical to the mind, to clarify to everyone who take things a little more "direct."

(04-17-2014, 07:33 PM)waffles Wrote: More generally, they act as if they have their own memories, and more generally still they act as if they are that character (or, if they are original, then some original character).

Hm... that's a good point. I guess that was in the back of my mind while I was writing it but I didn't care to write it down. (because it seems to contradict what my tulpas, who come from that universe, tell me.) Although, until you actually give them the power of consciousness then I suppose it really is just "they act" like they have memories. Then again, the borderline of consciousness is very foggy. :/

(04-17-2014, 07:33 PM)waffles Wrote: That's not really a feature specific to such imagined worlds though, because you can make a tulpa out of any character, regardless of whether or not you met them like this beforehand.

I was just claiming that to show what you can do if you go into the universe.... it wasn't really claiming that it was the "only" way to create a character-based tupper.

(04-17-2014, 07:33 PM)waffles Wrote: That's really just a specific form of "conforms to expectation", which is true for anything imagined, really. So again, not specific to this.

It really is expectation, isn't it? Hm... well, I should probably revise the thread.

(04-17-2014, 07:33 PM)waffles Wrote: I think the important collective techniques are:
  • You imagine yourself in some 'starting' space.
  • You explore the world, with the expectation that you will uncover suitable other features.
  • Your interactions with characters you meet conform broadly to expectation - if you have a preconception of who that character is then they will probably act that way.

Sounds a lot better actually. XD I probably should have really made a more general statement like this before getting specific.



(04-19-2014, 03:32 AM)Kaosukage Wrote: I've experienced this myself with the game series Touhou Project, right down to Alice Margatroid, a character who made dolls and wanted to make a living one, making a tulpa of her own.

I guess this proves then that there can be inception with tulpas. O_O (A tulpa within a tulpa within a tulpa within a tulpa within a tulpa.....)
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RE: Creation of a Universe
I'd say the term paracosmic wonderland fits better than the idea of multiverses, too magik 4 me. Also I did the exact same thing (equestria yay, complete with ponies) once while trying to start procedural generation, but all I got was vague, low quality and constantly shifting terrain.

The ponies were pretty detailed though, I'd say they were like any normal character you puppet in your mind while writing a story, but you're making it interact with you instead of other characters. I pushed Celestia into a lake (got nothing else to contribute really).
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(04-23-2014, 10:51 AM)Wrath Wrote: I'd say the term paracosmic wonderland fits better than the idea of multiverses, too magik 4 me. Also I did the exact same thing (equestria yay, complete with ponies) once while trying to start procedural generation, but all I got was vague, low quality and constantly shifting terrain.

The ponies were pretty detailed though, I'd say they were like any normal character you puppet in your mind while writing a story, but you're making it interact with you instead of other characters. I pushed Celestia into a lake (got nothing else to contribute really).

You pushed Celestia into a lake... XD Wow, now that's a story to tell to your grandchildren. :P

Anyway, paracosm.... technically that term (as I've looked up) indicates a world created through imagination. Since the topic includes a multiple amount of these, perhaps the term multiparacosmic wonderland would fit better? Or is that stretching the world a little bit.... well, to this day, the largest stretched out word I know of is antidisestablishmentarianism. I use that word sometimes, throws my family off guard. :P

Before I trail off-track with my thinking, by any chance do you think you can write down your experiences? It doesn't have to be so much into detail or in a story-like format, just to contain anything that might indicate how the mind creates a paracosm. (I think I'll use this term from now on when dealing with the mind. Although, to my tulpas a paracosm IS pretty much their universe..... and when you say it is "too much 'magik,'" I personally think that "ze magix" is simply an unknown science. So I guess it fits in with the topic.... speaking of which, I'm trailing off again. :/ Sorry about that.)
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I have decided to have a go at this and am documenting my journey on google docs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SRe6...sp=sharing

Wish me luck Smile
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(05-29-2014, 06:50 PM)ReincarnationsGarden Wrote: I have decided to have a go at this and am documenting my journey on google docs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SRe6...sp=sharing

Wish me luck Smile

I wish you the best of luck! By the way, I think the technique shared in the google doc might be an excellent way to "transfer bodies" or "worlds." I'll try to update the thread when I can.
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