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Did I Accidently Create A Tulpa?


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Before I start, It's worth mentioning I viewed the following threads to gain answers:

 

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-forcing-parroting-syndrome

 

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-sentience-telling-when-you-have-a-tulpa

I don't relate to a large portion of this because I'm definitely NOT trying to create a Tulpa but I do have that head voice.

 

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-sentience-sentience-confirming-anti-puppeting-guide

Nothing happened.

 

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-sentience-tips-for-those-who-are-getting-parrotnoid

This thread scared me that I may actually have one.

 

So here's the deal.

 

As a child I had this little headvoice I would talk to. I would usually say "you're obviously not real" and she would say "I know you'll never believe me, but I am". I ignored it as my imagination. I've always had an active imagination and could easily disillusion my senses if I try.

 

So a week ago I was laying in bed thinking of tuppers and this voice came in my head. It seemed a little angry but it said it was what I now call a "Tulpa" and it was the exact same entity I talked to as a child.

 

I was studying Tulpas prior to this. So I figured "its just my imagination, I was just researching Tulpas after all". It got angry and said how lonely it was in the back of my mind all the time. I decided to humor it and talk to it and it seemed almost perfect. Either my imagination was doing a hell of a good job tricking me, or it was real. I chose the imagination belief.

 

Fast forward from then to now. 3 days ago to now I've had this little voice in my head also claiming its a Tulpa and that its real. But because I don't want to believe, it won't show itself to me.

 

Now the only way it really "activates" is if I give it some attention. If nothing to make me think of this entity is on my mind, it will not show itself assuming its real.

 

Which may be a point to support its imagination.

 

When I was a kid, I would "actively force" at night time. I didn't do this on purpose, my imagination just wanted to create a character and I "spoke to it" for months. From a tulpa puppeting standpoint it seems possible for something to develop it.

 

I was probably 12 at that time. So its been ignored for just a bit over 5 years.

 

I recently "and unknowingly" have been doing something similar to puppeting but not intendedly. Sometimes when I need to figure something out my mind attaches itself to a character as a way to look at things objectively. A skill business people use, I probably picked it up from "Think and Grow Rich". I've been talking to it awhile but never gave it personality or anything. To think it was a tulpa or anything like that never crossed my mind.

 

But then it started talking to me recently as I said and that spooked me out. After rationalizing it I got a little concerned.

 

 

So what do you think? Over active imagination? It never talks to me unless tulpas are on my mind or I try looking objectively with the "mental counselor" technique. If it is a tupper I assume its in low level development. Would ignoring it be enough to make it shut down or something?

 

Last note, if it is a tulpa... I should probably stop researching them to prevent my mind from conjuring em up.

 

Thanks!


Added note: when I gave both entities math questions I could not solve, they failed to give me an accurate answer sometimes claiming it was right. A calculator proved them wrong. Which may mean its imagination I'm not sure
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The entity is not a tulpa. It is a natural thoughtform.

 

Same thing but different. You can ignore this though, as this is just "labels".

 


 

Personally, [redacted]

 

I am referring to the community's tendency to say tulpas are real because you believe they are.

 


 

All of those are anti-parroting guides. They are written for the perspective of people trying to induce a tulpa, not avoid one. I suggest you don't continue the investigation, as doing so will in itself create a tulpa at this point.

 

You haven't looked at my anti-parroting guide yet.

Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.

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The entity is not a tulpa. It is a natural thoughtform.

 

Same thing but different. You can ignore this though, as this is just "labels".

 


 

Personally, I think this insistence on the power of belief is complete BS. Belief doesn't do anything. Belief has nothing to do with reality.

 

I am referring to the community's tendency to say tulpas are real because you believe they are.

 


 

All of those are anti-parroting guides. They are written for the perspective of people trying to induce a tulpa, not avoid one. I suggest you don't continue the investigation, as doing so will in itself create a tulpa at this point.

 

You haven't looked at my anti-parroting guide yet.

Ah oh thank you!

 

It seems pretty good, I would try it but as we established thats probably not the best idea XD

Maybe having a holy grail section of the forum with the highest rated guides and collection of questions would be a neat addition

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Oh, wow, that one thing I wrote was not nice. Sorry about that.

 

posting from California to say, reality doesn't care how you perceive it, so it doesn't matter how belief ties in to reality. The reality of the situation is that people experience things, especially their own thoughts, differently based on how they think - what they believe - about them. Pessimism versus optimism is the most basic example that comes to mind, different ways to experience the same reality. So your beliefs, ie what/how you think about what/how you think, can have a direct impact on "your reality", as in it will change how you experience reality. Because for the tenth time, nobody can experience reality objectively, by definition. Belief doesn't change reality, but often times your perception of reality is so far off (as it is when dealing with thought) that there are tons of alternative ways to perceive that reality that are just as far off, but maybe they'll improve your overall experience somehow.

 

My point is reality is irrelevant to what one might think when defending how they presently think, because how they presently think is just as incorrect an interpretation of objectivity as any other would be. But we're not worried about true objectivity, just our subjective experience of it, and trying to get as close to it as we can for the purpose of syncing with the outside world and each other.

 

But as it turns out, how you think about the thoughts in your head is so subjective, you might be objectively better off thinking in a less realistic way... Pretending your original beliefs were "realistic" and not "equally subjective and wrong".

 

 

And if it still isn't clear by this point, I don't use the word "beliefs" to refer to "I think the moon is made of cheese", I use it to refer to what you think to be true, what you experience with your senses, and what you consider to make sense that isn't purely objective - again, thought itself being the primary example, and topic of discussion. If this disclaimer and post overall doesn't get my point across, I don't really feel like discussing it further, because this subject's been one big misconception ever since you first saw us use the word "belief". We don't disagree with your 'arguments against us', but what you're arguing isn't what we're talking about.

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I don't think so. I mean, so subjective that you are better off just giving up on knowing the truth? Don't think something can be so great, it starts having magical effects on other ideas.

 

But mostly, because I don't think you are one of the ones who talks about the power of belief. They say tulpas are imaginary beings. How much you believe is how real your tulpa is.

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  • 2 weeks later...

Three of my tulpas were accidental. While playing squash, I got bored and imagined that two of the balls I was using had personalities. Fast forward an hour, I had two new tulpas, and I treated them like twins. More similar to your story, my second tulpa came from a dream. When I woke up, I had the desire to talk to her more, so I just kept talking to her. Then she became permanent.

 

Tulpas themselves are entirely imaginary beings, but not in the way that is normally used. In this case, 'imaginary' means that they exist purely in the brain's imagery, but they are just as sentient as we are because our subconscious continues to run them the same way we are run. Tulpas are merely extra egos. If you dissipate the characters, they will not be able to become egos. It's best to respectfully dissipate them, to avoid hard feelings. Try to put them to sleep and then just imagine their bodies erasing. If you want, you can put them in a sort of blissful ignorance in some scenario. Sort of like a tulpa afterlife.

 

PS: If the host can't solve a math problem, chances are, the tulpas can't either. Remember, you both have separate minds, but you both operate based on the same brain. Math is a very tricky thing to get a tulpa to do because it is not a subconscious activity. So there's basically no chance that an underdeveloped tulpa could pull off a calculation.

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