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I noticed here that there are several threads out side the normal " Tulpa and Drugs" thread, all looking for what certain kinds of Drugs do to Tulpas. I think that just trying drugs just to see what they'll do to your Tulpa, especially if you are not entirely sure what it will do is a bad idea. However I don't think most people here are doing this out of curiosity, I think most people want to find a drug to aide them in the development. Trying random drugs would the equivalent of guessing an answer to a math problem, it might end out being right, but you'd be there for a while, continuing to guess the answer. What I aim to do is to make a list of possible candidates for drugs that will assist in Tulpa creation, I will try to stick with things that are safe(ish) and generally nonaddictive(to a point). Legality is preferred but if said drug shows a high chance of success or has a generally unenforced law an exception will be made. However if said drug has extreme addictive potential, high chance of overdose or harm, or is highly illegal, I will not try nor recommend anyone else to. Meth, Heroin, and Cocaine are all out the question because of this, Pot is not out of the question, though I can't say I will do it, I may post a work of fiction depicting what might of happened if I did.

 

Now that I have the guidelines set, to discover what drugs will and will not work for Tulpa forcing we need to understand what a Tulpa is, a subject that is sadly not understood, but i'm going to go with a hypothesis which I think makes a good deal of sense, that A tulpa is a disassociated part of your personality, given form and imposed through controlled hallucinations. This was done through the Tibetans via hours of meditation and concentration. With this I'm going to narrow down our options to Disassociatives, etheogens , and mild hallucinogenics. To start off with I'm going to try a associative, Salvia. Why Salvia? First of all I have easy access to it two, in lower doses it is useful for meditation, and on higher doses is a huge vision inducing drug. I'm not going to smoke it, that wears off too fast, I will take a tincture, that will allow me to get into a good mediation for the first few minutes then disassociate. Now A tincture will give me multiple uses, and I'm going to try to use it in different ways. First I'm going to try to go into the wonderland and see if I can have Sonya Dissociated from me there, keeping up an effort to remain semi-conscious. Second, I will take it and let it take me and Sonya where ever and just give ourselves up to it I guess it would be, third a very mild dose for a forcing session.

 

Hypothesis- The different methods will effect Sonya and I in different ways

 

Method 1)- Based on past experiences with smoked Salvia I expect that Sonya will feel more separate from me, we will probably both be a bit loopy but we will have time to prepare.

 

Method 2)- I expect some of the same, except with less discipline involved and me and Sonya will just each experience it. Depending on how big the dose is, I don't expect either of us to be aware of each others existence.

 

Method 3)- I expect mild disassociation and a somewhat more productive forcing session.

 

Before these three, I will conduct a control, under influence of nothing.

 

In the meantime if any off you want to do this with your Tulpas report your findings but pass it with them. Please post the drug you used and it's effect on the forcing, if possible do it in several different ways. Be safe and have fun!

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Search didn't give much...I have heard claims that the tulpa is generally not affected by intoxicants consumed by the host, at least alcohol or pot.

 

Is this true for the host as well, if he switches with his tulpa? If the tulpa, who is now the host, consumes an intoxicant, will the switched host not feel it?

 

If this is true, then this would indicate that the consciousness would possibly operate on a different set of many of those receptors which are affected by the intoxicant-consumption of that consciousness which acts as the host at the moment, such as NDMA or GABA (which are affected by alcohol for example), or possibly even certain neurotransmitters (such as dopamine or endorphine which are likewise affected by alcohol for example).

 

It would be physically impossible if the host's switched consciousness, or the tulpa, wouldn't use these receptors or neurotransmitters, but if they cannot feel the intoxicant's effect on these when they are being consumed by the host, would this not mean that both of the consciousnesses are assigned a...separate set or something?

 

If the switched host cannot feel it when the tulpa consumes an intoxicant, just like a tulpa cannot (purpotedly) feel it when the host does this, it could indicate that the consciousnesses are indeed autonomous and not just illusions, and things like this could also help us to pinpoint the function and nature of a consciousness. Of course it's still rudimentary, but an interesting little thought-play nevertheless.

 

If this unaffection by intoxicants is not true, just ignore what I've written.

 

Or it could be true, but only for some substances. In which case, it would also help with pinpointing the function and nature of consciousness.

 

I could have made a thread but this was related so I posted it here. I can edit it into nonexistence though, if required.

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Search didn't give much...I have heard claims that the tulpa is generally not affected by intoxicants consumed by the host, at least alcohol or pot.

 

I have heard quite the contrary. Claims from multiple people including methos would indicate that Tulpas are also effected by it. I can tell you that Sonya has been effected in some past experiences, granted they weren't Pot or alcohol experiences. Regardless though I think a good place to start would be to get rid of any preconceptions on what we think would work and then go from there. Plus Pot and Alcohol aren't known for their Disassociative properties.

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I suppose that you could get drunk and report the results some day? I'd find it interesting to have a depressant vs dissociant report.

 

Even without reports it could make sense that a dissociant affects your tulpa as well, but I'm still wondering how can any substance not affect them unless if the tulpa and the host consciousnesses have somehow been assigned separate receptors, which would be peculiar and interesting in itself.

 

Anyway if you want dissociatives, many cough syrups have DXM and it's pretty easy to extract, so you could get your hands on that. On low doses it resembles alcohol but it's really a dissociative and you will notice that on the higher doses, but you probably knew that already.

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Anyway if you want dissociatives, many cough syrups have DXM and it's pretty easy to extract, so you could get your hands on that. On low doses it resembles alcohol but it's really a dissociative and you will notice that on the higher doses, but you probably knew that already.

 

We tried DXM before (the active ingredient in cough syrup), about 600mg of the stuff. The drug really knocks you out, the interesting thing is that you don't sleep. but enter into what i'll describe as a conscious state of purgatory. Your body will be laying on the bed, but in your mind with your eyes closed you'll feel like your moving in a dark greyish realm with no sense of your body. As you increase the dosage the greyness will become brighter until it's almost white and the hallucinations will become even stronger, until you're literally in a different land altogether.

 

at low dosage around or under 200mg, it's a recreational high. Music becomes much more enjoyable.

at mid dosage between 300mg and 700mg it's a spiritual and meditative high. hallucinations are grey and abstract you lose you're sense of the body and ego.

High dosage around 800mg - 1500mg. Is an Out of body experience, Strong Hallucinations, The works.

Any dosage above 1500mg will start to become dangerous DXM will become Toxic, at 2500mg you risk death. The effects of DXM is exponential (for example: 900 to 1000mg will be more profound than 200 to 300mg)

 

We only tried mid dosage, And drinking cough syrup is vile but covering your nose helps.

If you want the full benefits don't let your mind wander, try to keep your focus on tulpaforcing.

 

Other dissociative drugs are PCP, Shoorms, ketamine and salvia.

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Muscimol from the amanita muscaria mushroom has been described as a dissociative. It's GABAergic, if that's helpful. The fly agaric mushroom (muscaria) is safe to eat, and it is really easy to find in the right area. IT's legal; you can even order it online. If you go hunting for it, it is virtually impossible to misidentify. It's the classic fairy-tale red mushroom that has the white spots on the cap. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah.

 

The chemicals from the plant calea ternifolia (also legal) have yet to be identified as anything, so I'll just explain the effects to you. It is usually taken before bed for about a month to potentate dreams, but when taken while awake, calea produces some pretty awesome effects. I think it will help significantly with visualization and navigating the wonderland, but I am not sure if it will actually help dissociate the tulpa. Calea makes you feel heightened physical sensations, lethargy, and significant increase in vividness of daydreams. I've heard them described as hallucinations.

 

Last I would say LSA. As long as you don't extract it, it is legal. It can be found in morning glory seeds, and it is a great alternative to LSD that's way milder. This seems the least likely to benefit the tulpaforcing process though.

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Anyway if you want dissociatives, many cough syrups have DXM and it's pretty easy to extract, so you could get your hands on that.

 

It comes in softgel/pill form too, you know.

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It comes in softgel/pill form too, you know.

 

Not in this country. But now that you mention it, I remember seeing images of DXM pills.

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at low dosage around or under 200mg, it's a recreational high. Music becomes much more enjoyable.

at mid dosage between 300mg and 700mg it's a spiritual and meditative high. hallucinations are grey and abstract you lose you're sense of the body and ego.

High dosage around 800mg - 1500mg. Is an Out of body experience, Strong Hallucinations, The works.

Any dosage above 1500mg will start to become dangerous DXM will become Toxic, at 2500mg you risk death. The effects of DXM is exponential (for example: 900 to 1000mg will be more profound than 200 to 300mg)

 

Other dissociative drugs are PCP, Shoorms, ketamine and salvia.

 

Thanks I have access to DXM and I will add this to the list. I will look into Shrooms and ketamine, Salvia I'm working on. but I don't like the idea of PCP. If anyone else wants to try it it would be fine, but I don't like getting into hard drugs like that.

 

Several useful suggestions

 

Thank you very much.

 

Just as a reminder anyone who wants to participate in this is welcome too, larger sample size = better result.

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May or may not be relevant but, the same experience that I have had on two different occasions with pot. My tulpa would be fully imposed for all of two seconds in the corner of my eye before I tried to look at her. She would then disappear. Not sure if this is relevant to this thread, but I thought I would share it. They were also both in the kitchen, for reasons I'm sure you can guess why.

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