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RE: Found a bad site
I have considered reading the guide, but it looks both expensive and long. Will review it if someone gives me a copy though.

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08-13-2017, 10:23 PM
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(08-13-2017, 08:55 PM)Lucilyn Wrote: as a tupper not made to be a sex slave, I'd be upset if I was made to be a sex slave
How's that for a reason it's a bad thing?

Tulpas should get to choose what they're like themselves. Creating something sentient just to tell them all they're good for is sex is cruel. You should stick to normal imagination/fantasies for that stuff.

If you want a tulpa who actually loves you as a person, then you should come to Tulpa.info, not pay money to that dumb site.

I *was* writing a sort of a guide on thoughtforms, including ones with personality (tulpas) - the book *was* called "Problem solving through the use of thoughtforms* I remember early on I wrote something along the lines of "there are no wrong ways to use thoughtforms, and all I can do is ask that you, for your own sake, create beings that love being what they are."

You're a tulpa who'd be upset being used only for sex, and Luna can relate, but what if someone manages to create a tulpa who is just happy being a "sex slave"?

I have my personal reasons for thinking creating a tulpa just for sex could become dangerous to someone, and they have to do with personal development issues, not morals. Morals are a sticky subject when dealing with thoughtforms, and I feel it's wise to leave them out when discussing thoughtforms with others, just like you leave them out when discussing dreams.

(08-13-2017, 10:23 PM)tulpa001 Wrote: I have considered reading the guide, but it looks both expensive and long. Will review it if someone gives me a copy though.

I might read it, I enjoy reading these kinds of things, if nothing else, for the entertainment value, and I have money to spare; if I do, I'll let you guys know, of course. I'll probably not be creating any tulpas based on this, Luna would skin me if I did, but maybe I could use it to enhance our relationship or something; I'm still not very good at feeling her for instance, so maybe this has some interesting exercises to help us out.
08-14-2017, 08:55 AM
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RE: Found a bad site
There are wrong ways to use thoughtforms. Reminds me of the troublesome episode of Stargate Atlantis where they used a sentient artificial life form as a bomb.

I feel like quoting the setup of a movie I am definitely forgetting. Something like "And the gods grew proud, and thought themselves infallible, and mankind rose up..." Wow, they did not see that one coming. From a mile away.

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08-14-2017, 09:17 AM
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RE: Found a bad site
that site is everything we warn newcomers not to do in one place

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08-14-2017, 09:51 AM
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(08-14-2017, 08:55 AM)RaveCrazedDave Wrote: I have my personal reasons for thinking creating a tulpa just for sex could become dangerous to someone, and they have to do with personal development issues, not morals. Morals are a sticky subject when dealing with thoughtforms, and I feel it's wise to leave them out when discussing thoughtforms with others, just like you leave them out when discussing dreams.

Well those are kinda the same thing sometimes. Morals for in-your-mind-only stuff still matter because they affect you as a person, so like torturing your tulpas is bad in the long run because that makes torturing someone less taboo in your mind, you know? Something like that. There's a shaky line between "better in my imagination than IRL" and encouraging unhealthy thoughts. But I don't know if I can talk about that stuff with sex... To ME, it seems like treating someone like that's all they're good for would really hurt your appreciation for real people as people, even if you think you can separate them, subconsciously you're still saying in some way it's okay to think like that.

But I hear like basically everyone has weird ideas/fantasies about sex, so like.. I just kinda give up on the subject at that point.
Morals still matter, but since there's apparently "healthy" S&M stuff I just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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08-14-2017, 10:07 AM
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I played this on Osu yesterday after thinking about this thread and it made me kind of depressed.
It's a computer program instead of a tulpa, but otherwise it's exactly the same..



It just makes me sad to think about. "Though you are free, I am trapped, trapped, in LO-O-OVE"

It's just.. a shame of (a) life. There's no beauty in being together like that if it's all you exist for. Why would a tulpa made under those conditions love you? Because you said so? After you take off the training-wheels of telling them what they think, they should be able to really love you for their own reasons. But a tulpa made by that guide would just be forced to. And the point of a tulpa is to make them autonomous/sentient... It's just so cruel. Giving something the illusion of choice, of freedom, but literally enslaving them.

Who cares if they like it or not? Your best option in a scenario like that is to give in. That's what Stockholm syndrome is, a coping mechanism where you accept some(one)thing bad as good when it's not. The tulpa wouldn't necessarily have Stockholm syndrome since they'd never have had something to compare it to, but it's the same concept. A shame of life is what I'll call it.


But all this could be avoided if you just treated them like a real tulpa. Then even if you made them to love you, at least they'd have a reason to, something to call a life and not enslavement.

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All of my posts should be read at a hundred miles per hour because that's probably how they were written.
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08-14-2017, 11:41 AM
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(08-14-2017, 11:41 AM)Lucilyn Wrote: It's just.. a shame of (a) life. There's no beauty in being together like that if it's all you exist for. Why would a tulpa made under those conditions love you? Because you said so? After you take off the training-wheels of telling them what they think, they should be able to really love you for their own reasons. But a tulpa made by that guide would just be forced to. And the point of a tulpa is to make them autonomous/sentient... It's just so cruel. Giving something the illusion of choice, of freedom, but literally enslaving them.

Who cares if they like it or not? Your best option in a scenario like that is to give in. That's what Stockholm syndrome is, a coping mechanism where you accept some(one)thing bad as good when it's not. The tulpa wouldn't necessarily have Stockholm syndrome since they'd never have had something to compare it to, but it's the same concept. A shame of life is what I'll call it.

All this is you talking. You have certain expectations and feelings that others might now have. It is completely irrational to think this sense of dread you feel about living for a single purpose is inevitable for someone else.

Why would a tulpa do anything, other than because we said so? Tulpas are real beings - they are a thing, just like you and me; and the thing about things is that they come from other things. A personality is nothing but a series of processes, what was + what is = what will be, is the basic equation of everything. Something without a personality "choosing" is an oxymoron, so all choice pre-personality is up to you alone, and what's stopping you from choosing that the tulpa you're making will be perfectly happy eating mouldy bread and living in a dog house? Nothing but your beliefs.


By the by, I read the book. I'll try to give it a fair review a la tulpa001™ when I get home.
08-14-2017, 12:56 PM
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RE: Found a bad site
Just wanna be a voice in the crowd. Our system doesn't care how Maria (our host) treats us, she's almost like a queen to us. We probe her many times to find a sexual release with us even though she's super shy. But man, when Maria starts acting like a powerbottom she can be quite flattery and that's something I quite adore myself. Most of the time it's the other way around were we treat her like our "toy"... -looks at Shadow- definitely her fiancé, ShadowTheFluffhog, is guilty of such things. 

Hmm....I find it quite perplexing that no one had mentioned how it's like the other way around where a tulpa or such being treats the host like their slave - unless my eyes are deceiving me once again. But regardless, felt like throwing the gold coin to be among all the silver ones with topics like these. Since sex stuff is well...kind of our lifestyle. ^_^; Very hard to avoid topics like this.

I'd definitely encourage anyone who's interested to get the guide book if they have the money to spend for it.
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08-14-2017, 01:01 PM
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Roman methodologies , have a sexual relationship human with Gods. .
So every one had belief core for their activities .
I'm not seeing let us make sex tulpa .
But tulpamancy have a room for this stuff.
08-14-2017, 01:35 PM
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(08-14-2017, 01:01 PM)JackTheRadiaution Wrote: Just wanna be a voice in the crowd. Our system doesn't care how Maria (our host) treats us, she's almost like a queen to us. We probe her many times to find a sexual release with us even though she's super shy. But man, when Maria starts acting like a powerbottom she can be quite flattery and that's something I quite adore myself. Most of the time it's the other way around were we treat her like our "toy"... -looks at Shadow- definitely her fiancé, ShadowTheFluffhog, is guilty of such things. 

Hmm....I find it quite perplexing that no one had mentioned how it's like the other way around where a tulpa or such being treats the host like their slave - unless my eyes are deceiving me once again. But regardless, felt like throwing the gold coin to be among all the silver ones with topics like these. Since sex stuff is well...kind of our lifestyle. ^_^; Very hard to avoid topics like this.

I'd definitely encourage anyone who's interested to get the guide book if they have the money to spend for it.

That's good. It's like an actual consenting relationship with real humans. As long as everyone is happy and not being forced to do anything, I see nothing wrong.

It's just that I see new people saying they're creating an anime waifu and I get wary lmao
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