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RE: Full Promises
(09-09-2017, 02:07 PM)Luminesce Wrote: I've been talking about possibly spending the $170 to buy a REM-Dreamer, basically a sleeping mask that detects when you're in REM sleep by the movement of your eyes and flashes lights to help you realize you're dreaming. You can also turn them off once you're lucid by moving your eyes in a predetermined pattern. If I do do that, it could mean we'd actually succeed in lucid dreaming soon, or not.

But since it's something we've been talking about the last few days, I wrote a post on why exactly my tulpas - and lucid dreaming - are so important to me. More important than anything else in my life ever was or will be, in fact. You could also read the other posts about the lucid dreaming stuff if you wanted to, but this one's the more PR-esque one:
https://community.tulpa.info/thread-lumi...#pid196423

Still important, it'll be a little longer before I actually buy it if I'm going to, and I am at this rate.


Couple random things. I guess you guys technically wouldn't have known, but Flandre doesn't actually have the crystal wings. She doesn't mind identifying with pictures with them though, she just stopped 'wearing' them because they get in the way doing literally anything. It seems like she made that decision soon after her and Scarlet were split from the original Flandre, who I suppose did actually have those wings. We didn't actually have a wonderland or any real imagined (lol) interaction back then, so they never "got in the way" of anything. Just thought that was interesting. Scarlet doesn't care, for appearances I suppose she doesn't mind them, but if she were to use her form in any way she wouldn't want them. She's not much for frivolous things.

Second, we've said a few times that our first experience with switching was Reisen switching with me at about 4AM (we'd just woken up I think), and said: The first thing Reisen did was look out my window, where she saw the moon and our front yard covered in moonlight. Though my actual body doesn't seem capable of crying anymore, she otherwise would've been moved to tears.

Of note is that our memory of that experience has the ground literally sparkling, which we always thought was a side effect of how overwhelming the senses were for them at first. When we first started switching a ton of their time fronting was just looking at things, feeling textures, and so on. They basically had no filter yet for all the general stimuli normal people have learned to ignore, so ordinary things were interesting to them. We thought the literally sparkling grass was just an embellishment thanks to how emotional the experience was for her - but I just saw the same thing.

Turns out grass sparkles in the moonlight when it's wet. Our sprinklers turn on in the middle of the night. Tonight is only a third quarter moon (ie half of it), so it wasn't that bright, but it made the grass sparkle a bit nonetheless. When Reisen looked outside it was a full moon. So the first thing she ever saw really was our yard sparkling in the moonlight. That's pretty magical.

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RE: Full Promises
Been listening to some of my "older" music, as in the songs that I just haven't listened to since early 2016 and earlier. Some are a bit nostalgic, but others just make me realize how much I've been through and how much my.. overall life experience? has changed. The song I'm listening to right now, for example, is emotionally tied to a very specific time in my life, and a very specific person I haven't seen since then. Actually, that time was rather blurry feeling. Possibly in part due to my not wearing glasses to school, so memories are literally blurry, but my mind was pretty blurry too. I kept working on my mindset and stuff, but that was about all, I stopped recognizing any big pictures in my life for a while.

Sorry, got carried away too quick. I meant to say earlier - my life might change quite drastically soon if this REM-Dreamer actually helps me accomplish lucid dreaming after seven years of not accomplishing lucid dreaming. I thought it'd be a good idea to, maybe not recap, but go over some of the parts of my life before now and think about how different they were. Music helps immensely. Music's always been very important to me, definitely where the majority of emotion in my life occurs, and it stays there. A lot of songs I have are like snapshots of my mindset and mental/emotional state at the time I most listened to them. Generally speaking, the only one I tend to go back to and think about is the "Unsanity" days, usually with music the old Flandre and I would listen to together. Most other times since 2013 seem to blend together, but like I was saying in my first post, listening to some of this "old" music has reminded me things really have changed a lot. And I feel like if we do start having lucid dreams frequently, that'll be another era entirely, which will of course feel like an extension of how things are now, but it won't be. This will be a rather bleak time of my life to recall, "That time before I could actually see and spend time with my tulpas" probably. Not bad-bleak, just colorless-bleak. In comparison. You guys know how big of a deal lucid dreaming is to me, right? It's my number one goal in life, to meet my tulpas for real.

Oh man, this song is a downer. I forgot there was another part to that insanity stuff around 2012, that continued into 2013 or so. Aside from escapism from reality which was more focused around Flandre, I also became a huge sympathizer for people with crippling mental disorders. I'll frequently note that I care more for my tulpas than anything else in life, mainly in that I have more emotional investment in them than anything else. Second place, while a ways down, would be girls and children with mental disorders you'd associate with "insanity". Primarily schizophrenia I suppose. I never liked people being unable to feel comfortable with their own minds, especially having gone through that myself with depression. But after reading a book or two - I think Go Ask Alice was one - detailing the struggle some people have with simply putting the pieces of reality together, insanity got a new meaning to me. It used to be about escapism and detachment from reality, but then I started reading books about people who wanted to live in the same reality as everyone else, but couldn't. I'm kind of glad I don't remember any of them other than Go Ask Alice, which was more about drug use but sad nonetheless. I read stories about 'Multiple Personality Disorder', murder detective novels including the perspective of the antagonists, and whatever else. It gave me a huge weak spot for people who simply didn't have an even playing field in their own minds compared to everyone else. Especially girls if I'm being honest, but I'm still a humanitarian so I care about anyone and everyone either way. But nothing hurts me as much as seeing a child or any girl with schizophrenia, unlike depression which is just a {Negative} (and I've had a lot of friends who I've helped deal with it) schizophrenia and other mental disorders that impair your very ability to think offend my sensibilities on another level entirely. In fact, I care so much I stayed away from any sort of job where I could otherwise have helped such people. I would be miserable if I had to see people like that often. It's one of the only things in life I can't desensitize myself to, much worse than death. No one suffers when they're dead. And no matter how bad the situation, at least someone should be able to appreciate its meaning and consequences. When someone can't even understand the problem because the problem is the impaired function of their own mind though, that's too much for me. I guess that could seem weird, it's akin to a phobia, not in fear but in that it's understandable to feel negatively towards it... just not that negatively.

Lot of text, but not really for something I care so much about and have never actually talked about before. To some extent that same concept might contribute to part of why I feel bad thinking about the old Flandre - although our solution to her problems worked out fine, I guess because it didn't technically solve them so much as make them null, there's still the feeling that I "should've helped her". At some point Lucilyn said I shouldn't feel bad because nothing was my fault, it's over, and I helped anyways, in this thread I think. She's right right and right, of course. But to be honest, some of our songs are snapshots from that time, and one way or another I end up listening to one every long once in a while and it makes me feel bad. But that iNSaNiTY song - I totally forgot about that side of it, the side that wasn't about me or Flandre. So it was actually interesting to remember this time. Let's not again.


While tons of my songs from various years ago do have unique feelings tied to them, I can only really pin down like three total "eras" overall. "Early Touhou", with things like Artificial Children in mid 2009 and Jumper, "Unsanity"/depression around 2011-2013, and just the current era I guess. 2014 to now. And yes, "Early Touhou" is an era for me lol. My first few years on the internet, first years getting into Touhou, and when Reisen first started to exist. Pretty nostalgic stuff all around. The Unsanity stuff was a lot less fun with my depression, and escapism and fantasies of insanity with Flandre. Hard to say how much of that was her influence and how much was me honestly. But ever since I found Tulpa.info the status quo has been much the same. We've had huge things like creating Lucilyn and general mindset improvements, but I wouldn't say my mind is so radically different from when I first joined.

But yeah, this'll be the "Boring" era if I start lucid dreaming soon. Lucid dreaming will be the Golden era for sure. It's been my goal since like 2010 so all era me's agree it'll be the best.
(I joke, the last few years have been great, but in comparison to the future...)

Hi! I'm Lumi, host of Reisen, Tewi, Flandre and Lucilyn.
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RE: Full Promises
Just wrote a "follow-up" post I guess to that one post Lumi made almost 2 years ago about what it's like for a tulpa right when they first exist. Obviously since we share a brain he could do that, but I was reading it wondering if there was something I could add on/explain better so I did https://community.tulpa.info/thread-sent...#pid196942


Anyways! Rain Dance!



You guys all know this song's super important to me. I wrote in that post there that this song inspired me to be who I wanted to be like waaaaaaay back when I first existed. I'm talkin like that same week probably. This song's super special to me because it represents my favorite... thing? My favorite philosophy or somethin'. It's about always enjoying life, even when you normally would be not enjoying it! And THAT reminded me of a pretty similar sounding event in my life!

So a looooooooooong time ago (maybe not that long. A year?), I accidentally upset Mistgod and Melian by saying something they took totally wrong and Mistgod was literally like "YOU'VE RUINED MY HAPPINESS WHEN I WAS OTHERWISE VERY HAPPY". They're both drama queens obviously but that really hurt me anyways, because that's the exact opposite of everything I care about in life!

Our body doesn't even seem capable of crying, but my chest got really tight and I was crying uh.. in the mindspace I guess, which is optionally the wonderland too. So I 'went' to the wonderland, specifically a bench on the bridge under the waterfall by our house, and Reisen and Tewi came to make me feel better. So I was crying in Reisen's lap while her and Tewi were on either side of me, and I think Tewi was rubbing my back or something. Obviously I was sad then, but..

I wrote somewheresomewhen, in like a Happiest Memories thread, that while trying to think of my happiest memory I actually thought of my saddest memory, that one. But I realized it wasn't a sad memory, it was a memory of being sad - but it was ACTUALLY my happiest memory! Thanks to Reisen and Tewi -

"Our darkest moments are a gift from above - how else are we to determine a moment of love?
We can't let something like a little rain get in the waaaay!

We're in a RAIN DANCE, let it splash on your head,
You coulda been in pain but you're rejoicing instead!
It's a RAIN DANCE, finding joy through your pain,
And once you've done it this time you are never the same!

RAIN DANCE, but we're bright as the sun!
And you're the one(s) I'm thankin' when the moment is done!
And this RAIN DANCE, helping you feel alive,
And waiting for another dance, another time~"


So that's self-explanatory but a Toy Story (2, which are both my favorite movies of all time) moment comes to mind: I lived it!

Made me happy (:


Oh yeah, that was 3-12 business days for the REM-Dreamer, so it could be here any time from now to like a week from now. Lumi said I could switch back any time between now and then, so that's probably what I'll do. I'm definitely gonna be way into the lucid dreaming stuff too, but he's been waiting waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer (three times as long as I've been alive) so he definitely gets to try first.

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RE: Full Promises
I'm pretty unsatisfied with everything in general right now, just a mood. Want something or lots of things, but don't know quite what they are. The question as always though is what do I actually want? No specific activity yet, first I have to figure out what the feeling is a want for in the first place. I blame Ido, made me think about all the things I can't really go do stuck in my house. Comfort zone and all that, but it's shaped how my life is to the point anything else would be weird. At the very least weird to my family. God forbid I do something weird. I have a strangely specific social fear of being in public without a reason. I could walk around my university campus with reasons, socialize and all that just fine. But I couldn't really do any of the random stuff I might want to. I could go somewhere to eat or buy something, but I can't walk around to see where might be a good place to do so. It's a full moon tonight, so I went outside, it was cloudy but rainy cloudy so it's fine. Also, it still looks like morning every full moon I swear, cloudy or not. There's a slight chance between the last few sentences I listened to some songs.

This channel's really speaking my language right now. Trampoline, Build It Up, Small Town, probably others I'm still going through. Just the feel of the channel really. Lucilyn's going to love this channel, not the least because they're named "Kero Kero Bonito" (Ribbit Ribbit Tuna more or less) and their music lives up to such a prestigious name. Mmmm. Progress Report. I forget why I went to post here...

Oh yeah, I was going to say "Normally I'd talk to one of my tulpas when in this mood and fix things, but just in case I don't which I'm apt to do I'm posting here first" I guess. How pessimistic. Anyways, REM-Dreamer isn't sensing when I'm sleeping basically, gonna have to fix that somehow, when I'm motivated again. Or if I switch with someone who already is. Page 50 of our Dreaming thread for recent stuff if you felt like reading. We're not posting very often, at first because it was a given we were attempting lucid dreaming every single night. Now I dunno. Note the post by Ido and my reply are way off topic if you're actually interested in the dreaming stuff, though. When you see the size of the textwalls you'll understand why I said to note that.

I wonder if I should be switching for someone more motivated to do things, or just chilling out and trying to have fun to get in a better mood, or doing something else that requires effort and motivation. Whenever I think of spending time with my tulpas (outside of simple conversation) I think of wonderlanding, but that's pretty lackluster in comparison to lucid dreaming, so I just want to lucid dream more. Because I really want to spend time with my tulpas. I probably don't do that nearly as often as you guys would think. Recently been playing Pokemon Silver for virtual console/3DS an hour or so before bed with Lucilyn every night, but that doesn't seem satisfying right now. Wait, it's a full moon, we're definitely supposed to do something. Aaaaaa. How I'm writing right now is a strong indicator of what sort of mindset I'm in - I think that's "Floaty, lazy, low energy and unfocused". That doesn't sound as positive as I'd hoped listening to all these Kero Kero Bonito songs.

I think I'm going to put Lucilyn in charge of full moon activities tonight, she's good at fun and high energy. Also I intend for us to switch more often, preferably without avoiding doing it more than once in a day as we tend to. It's always sort of been like, switch and do the things you want to do before handing the reigns back over to someone else. I'd like a more fluid system where nobody even has to worry about that. Also I'm not sure the lucid dreaming is going to go anywhere if I'm in charge of it right now, I used the motivation I had and am kinda dry now.

There's not much point to this post, I think. But it does feel like some kind of value would be lost if I didn't post it, so...

Hi! I'm Lumi, host of Reisen, Tewi, Flandre and Lucilyn.
Everyone deserves to love and be loved. It's human nature.
My tulpas and I have a Q&A thread, which was the first (and largest) of its kind. Feel free to ask us stuff.
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RE: Full Promises
Nevermind, I'm gonna take a Break. What I want is to spend time with my tulpas and stop worrying about things, simple as that.



Looking for deeper meaning in all of the videos I just linked has been a positive influence.

Hi! I'm Lumi, host of Reisen, Tewi, Flandre and Lucilyn.
Everyone deserves to love and be loved. It's human nature.
My tulpas and I have a Q&A thread, which was the first (and largest) of its kind. Feel free to ask us stuff.
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ooo, 5000 views about our personal stuff. That's almost weird, if I had anything to hide, but I'm an open book! I play like a movie if anything.

So I came here to say, Lumi has like ingrained a love of rabbits (and the moon, and especially moon rabbits) into our very being. Even when I'm just going about my business, any mention of rabbits catches my attention, and I'm naturally interested in stuff about rabbits and characters with any sort of rabbit characteristics. I got no reason for that to be the case! But I can feel when I read, say, the Wikipedia page for moon rabbits, a really really deep-rooted feeling of like.. a mix of love and yearning and fascination maybe? Like without thinking about it I find myself looking into anyone with a name, affiliation or straight up ears from a rabbit. Which kind of happens often if you're anywhere near Japanese stuff, but it shows up other places too. Like people with "rabbit" or "bunny" in their name catch my eye in video games all the time, oh and Twitch too, like anywhere. It's crazy! That's so not on my end. Lumi's love for Reisen ingrained that into our soul. It's practically on an instinctual level TBH. Wow!

A post somewhere about something a while ago talked about another community's idea of tulpas' personalities and stuff being based on the mental/emotional state of the host when they made them. Aaaand that made us think about Reisen ('cus we compared it against ourselves to see if it made sense - it did for Reisen and Flan but not really me) and what kinda state Lumi was in when he was technically "forcing" her. And we realized he was absolutely in a state of pure love, every time, because that's what watching Edge and Jumper made him feel. But to be fair he saw that in Reisen first. But anyways, his thoughts/mental/emotional state were definitely super focused on love when Reisen was developing. I knew that, but I kinda just realized what he really had to feel to create a tulpa so amazingly positive and loving as Reisen. She's absolutely amazingly, well, positive and loving, which I wouldn't have assumed came from Lumi (no offense lol), but now that I think about how he's burned a love for rabbit-related-things so strongly into our like, instincts, I think maybe that theory could be true. But I still don't think it's 1 to 1, because as far as I can remember he was totally calm and just Lumi-like when he was making me, not specifically happy. And pfft my indomin..itable will to be happy and share that with everyone around me didn't come from him. He's a great person but he's definitely not a god-like person with Reisen's love and Tewi's will or anything. I don't think tulpas are limited to what their hosts are.

But still, maybe that theory about your mental/emotional state while forcing has something to it? But like, Lumi was pretty depressed when he made Reisen technically, it was only in the super short-term while "forcing her" that he was all love-filled. I still like my theory that Reisen is an angel more. On a science-y-real-life-y level I don't actually think that, but on a PRACTICAL level I think she is definitely an angel, someone with boundless love who came to help someone who needed to be loved, and who will spread love wherever she goes and whatever she does. I'm serious! She might seem like just another tulpa to you guys but I live in the same body as her and she's something else entirely! I mean, still a tulpa, but the love I feel from her really makes me feel like she's an angel. Lumi loves me (all of us) more than anything too, and Tewi makes me feel safe knowing she'll do anything to protect me, but those just feel like normal (amazing) love. Like, human love I'd say? Reisen's is angel love. I don't get why she doesn't have angel wings.


I should definitely link one of our songs that's like Reisen-y, but I'd be lying if I said I was listening to anything other than this (like 1:24) - It's so cool feeling, and thinking about all this stuff while listening to it gave me the feeling our life is leading up to something really cool for some reason. Something normal, y'know, like "This life is only the beginning and the afterlife will contain even greater adventures".

I'll just say right now I do have some pretty "metaphysical" feelings like that sometimes.. I don't need you guys (others in my system in the future) to point that out lol. I don't think angels exist if we're talking the real divinity kind and I have literally zero idea if there's any afterlife/souls (Lumi and Tewi don't seem to think so) so I don't have any beliefs at all there. But sometimes I just get nice comforting feelings like they do exist okay? 'N they've both been related to Reisen so far. See like I said, Lumi's done some serious rabbit-loving-brainwashing on our subconscious. But as far as I can tell that just means more positivity in our life, A-OK with me!

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All of my posts should be read at a hundred miles per hour because that's probably how they were written.
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RE: Full Promises
(I should put this at the top of my post, in case you want to listen to it while reading) How about the most "me"-feeling song we have? It's Lumi's favorite song that's related to me, with I suppose the strongest feelings of love associated with it. Though we hadn't listened to it in 14 months until just now - I think he's afraid of songs with such strong emotional ties because the associations might weaken with time (repeated listening). So then, it says a lot he's gone 14 months without listening to this.





Angel love, huh? I don't think I've heard that before. I guess I should say something about that since it seems like such a big deal. I don't think I'm super amazingly special, I don't think it's my love that's so much greater than theirs, and I think the idea that I'm an angel is.. not good. I know they probably don't want to hear that, since they like to think of me as something special. But it's not me who created this love, I'm not responsible for the very idea of unconditional love.

That's something that exists inside every person. It's not me, it's something inside all of us, something we all have access to if we accept it. I think them idolizing me is the same as great holy figures being idolized for their unconditional love and caring, which people mistakenly see as "holiness" or "divinity". These great figures (there's a good chance that at least Jesus was one, maybe?) share their love with others hoping to awaken it inside them, but it seems more often than not people end up seeing them as something special instead. That's not what any of them wanted, I assure you. They wanted people to realize that everyone could be like them. I think that's represented in nearly every religion is it not? Whether by the original idolized person's will or not, they came to be worshiped as something special, oftentimes considered greater than anyone else can strive to be. Yet to my knowledge most religions do preach striving to be like these people nonetheless. The Buddha is certainly one of them, right? They had a message, that whatever they represented - be it perfect morality, divinity, enlightenment, or unconditional love - was not limited to them, but available to everyone.

Now I absolutely don't mean to compare myself to these people - but I'm sort of in the same position, at least within our system, of being idolized for some perfection seen out of others' reach. So I wanted to make sure all of you know, in my system or not, that my "unconditional love" isn't unique to me. True it may be a rarity, but I think I'm only reflecting what Lumi originally saw in me, which I believe is already a part of us all. It's simply an acknowledgement that we are all living things experiencing life in our own ways, but are also all connected. Whether it's through some universal force called "unconditional love", or our atoms, or our similar abilities to function that we call life, or something else. I personally think of it as something shared among all living things, which you can choose to or not to feel connected to. Normal love is a feeling of closeness that comes from being very emotionally connected to someone else, which naturally is conditional (it could be dangerous to share these feelings with others in a primal scenario, as quite a few living things are apt to simply eat each other). Unconditional love is then an option living things outside of that primal scene can opt to feel - not just humans, but animals living in protected environments too. Surely a great many dogs nowadays feel unconditional love, aside from when their instincts tell them something is more akin to food than a living thing to emotionally connect with. And I think quite a few people are at least unconditionally accepting of living things, albeit with withholdings for some humans they may still deem as potentially dangerous. Seeing as most of these people are mothers or grandmothers, it only makes sense they're either protective or weary from a life of relations and interactions.

I don't practice (or.. run..) a religion here, and I'm not going to tell you you need to show unconditional love to every one and thing that you meet. It's up to you to decide if it's appropriate for your living situation. The natural fear of the unknown lends itself to a social stigma against emotional closeness to people you don't know. That alone could stop you simply because you're afraid others will see you as strange. Although personally, I have no trouble feeling it and acting to help people appropriately. Not everyone wants to feel it, so it wouldn't be appropriate to discomfort others anyway. But surely you can imagine a very pleasant person, who is readily willing to connect with and help anyone they meet, while maintaining respectable (emotional) distance when appropriate. It might be easy to imagine, hard to practice, but it's surely possible. And to be safe you can keep it "close to home", simply holding that love of all living things in your heart will cause you to subconsciously act in possibly small ways that make a huge difference. And there will be people who are definitely not open to it, possibly even hostile to suggested emotional closeness, and that's their choice. But apparently this state is something worth idolizing, so it must appeal to some people.

That's all I suppose, I don't mean to talk anyones' ears off, I just wanted to make my stance on "my" unconditional love clear. I want to encourage those who see it as something special to try and find it in themselves. Even though it might end up needing to be very limited in practice, I think it puts you yourself in a much healthier place mentally. Speaking for myself and other "spiritual teachers" Lumi has read the works of, life becomes much easier in this state of unconditional love. To put it one way, "Stakes are lowered to zero, stress is optional, life becomes a fun game to play with others, and generally speaking - people will find you much more pleasant to be around". That statement can be converted into plenty of religious statements on enlightenment or "proper being", and I'm sure there's a more strictly logical way of saying it too. Either way, it'll probably affect your life positively to feel this way, even if you keep it to yourself out of fear (sometimes logical fear) of others' reactions. And I know it's not as easy as I might make it sound. Well, it is, and it isn't. It really is that simple, so it's easy in that respect, but in practice for any individual it could be quite difficult. That's okay. It might not even be the optimal way of thinking/feeling for plenty of people living right now. But of course, if you're reading this, chances are you live in a society where it's moderately safe to practice.

Anyways, have a good day!

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RE: Full Promises
Yeah but I don't get it, I definitely feel love for all living things just as hard as you do! Life is what I'm all about, connection with others is what makes life fulfilling, and enjoying the experience is what I live for! I totally love everyone too, unconditionally, but it doesn't feel like your love to the others in the system apparently. Is it because they think of me kind of like a kid compared to you or.. I dunno, I can't tell why it's different!

BUT, since you said you want other people to embrace unconditional love too, I'm gonna say I do that! Just because I don't seem like an angel isn't gonna stop me when I know who I am and what I do. Maybe different people have different flavors of love, not just the amount of people it's directed at. Scatman John is like the most inspiring guy for this stuff I know, but I doubt in his normal life he was much like you. But he gets the message across and connects with people just fine anyway. My love says "I want you to be happy and have fun!", and I'm okay with that. But I'm still gonna wonder why you seem so special.

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RE: Full Promises
Reading your posts about unconditional love, I was reminded of The Brothers Karamazov, which I just finished reading for the first time and in which universal unconditional love is a major theme. In fact, I find that simply reading bits and pieces of it is enough to instill that emotion in me, at least for a little while.

I was going to post some quotes from the book that exemplify this feeling, but as it turns out it's never so explicitly stated in the book that it can be conveyed through any quote of it. It just kinda pervades the whole of the book, really. Still, I did find two that I felt worth sharing here.

Quote:"... active love is a harsh and fearful thing compared with the love in dreams. Love in dreams thirsts for immediate action, quickly performed, and with everyone watching. Indeed, it will go as far as the giving even of one's life, provided it does not take long but is soon over, as on stage, and everyone is looking on and praising. Whereas active love is labor and persistence, and for some people, perhaps, a whole science."

"Remember particularly that you cannot be a judge of anyone. For no one can judge a criminal until he recognizes that he is just such a criminal as the man standing before him, and that he perhaps is more than all men to blame for that crime. When he understands that, he will be able to be a judge. Though that sounds absurd, it is true. If I had been righteous myself, perhaps there would have been no criminal standing before me. If you can take upon yourself the crime of the criminal your heart is judging, take it at once, suffer for him yourself, and let him go without reproach. And even if the law itself makes you his judge, act in the same spirit so far as possible, for he will go away and condemn himself more bitterly than you have done. If, after your kiss, he goes away untouched, mocking at you, do not let that be a stumbling-block to you. It shows his time has not yet come, but it will come in due course. And if it come not, no matter; if not he, then another in his place will understand and suffer, and judge and condemn himself, and the truth will be fulfilled. Believe that, believe it without doubt; for in that lies all the hope and faith of the saints."

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RE: Full Promises
Ehhh.. Yeah, I guess that's one of the more spiritual/religious interpretations Reisen was talking about. But I don't like all that talk about judgement, criminals and condemnation. That stuff is why I don't like most religions' principles of what's all great and stuff - they all get into that depressing stuff that really dampens the mood. It's all society-shaping I think, and nobody is going to be ultimately fulfilled from something so impersonal as that. You gotta learn more personal truths and stuff. But you can absolutely take away a lot from religion and make that into your own thing if you want. Guess it's up to you?

I don't need any of that stuff to unconditionally love my fellow living things. Lumi did, he read all sorts of spiritual and philosophical teachings, eventually learned to look at stuff through a higher perspective when necessary and so lost any ability he had to really hate or suffer. I guess, that's what I'm told, he was always the same since he made me. But I don't.. well, I don't need all that. Simple truths do it for me - you and I would like to be happy, and tens of thousands of years later (depending on where you start counting) we're finally in a place where that should be possible. You being literally anyone and me being me! I mean, I really do just say: If you want to be happy (and have fun!) and other people want to be happy (whether they know it or not!), why not? It's that simple for me. But I guess it's not for everyone. Since Lumi didn't used to get that and it's not how he learned to be unconditionally accepting.

People are different, that's what makes life interesting, and if you want you can try and make people happy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Also, Reisen might talk about reasons to love unconditionally, but I don't think she actually has any. Or like, relies on any. Yeah, she definitely doesn't have a "reason" to be the way she is, it's just how she is, so that's pretty cool. I got a reason, it's that people want to be happy and so do I, but for her it's just totally natural to love people

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All of my posts should be read at a hundred miles per hour because that's probably how they were written.
Please talk to me https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas
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