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RE: Methos's Tulpa Creation Guide
This thread has been approved by waffles. I'm pinning it for further review by the Guide Approval Team.

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11-17-2013, 02:22 AM
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RE: Methos's Tulpa Creation Guide
Definitely a guide that gets my vote. Lots of information and plenty of ideas for people starting out. I would simply ask that the much nicer looking PDF be edited into the first post for easy access.
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Definitely gets my vote as well.

People will just have to realize that other people's means of symbolism, ideologies, explanations and such will be a goldmine of information for newcomers. Especially most that are trying to garner a totality of comprehensive attributes in relation to tulpas since we all have for the time being is to be resourceful with anecdotes, experiential learnings, and applications of pre-existing knowledge of psychology and such to understand the concept of tulpas better.

The push for quality and thought-out content is inevitable, and it's an understatement to state a guide like this would be a rehash of other guides. Newcomers aren't always going to be so picky and have a pit-pattering rage of favoritism on anything that gives them a good comprehension of things. Even though most people would combine attributes from other guides/tips and tricks/etc., at least it shows that being versatile in the first place is more pragmatic.

The time where people only follow a single guide or a few sets of guides will slowly die since explaining the tulpa phenomenon will probably be a progressive experience of updating and finding more ways to understand it all.


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11-17-2013, 02:35 PM
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First of all, that fucking pony ASCII art. I mean, seriously? I'm not even going to lie, the first time this guide popped up when it was written, that's as far as I got when it was linked to me. In a way, maybe you were meaning this to be for the idiots who come here thinking they are going to make their super special pony girlfriend who will love them forever, a pony image would make them read this as they think it's meant for them and read a lot of good stuff they need to read. Maybe learn a thing or two and stop being as idiotic as they would have without. But it's going to alienate everyone who also would learn a lot of good stuff from it but will go "oh it's for those ponyfuckers, I don't want to be involved in that". Is that what you want?

The use of indentations also make it harder to read. Not as hard as if there were no stops between the paragraphs so thanks for that, but it still makes it look like quite the text wall. It could be made much neater and easier to read. This isn't a newspaper.

Also, Pastebin's monotype font isn't the nicest thing to read for long periods of time, so I do suggest changing that as well. Now, Google Docs is a slow piece of shit and PDFs otherwise could be much better and it's annoying to have to deal with them when you want to give it a quick look, but you don't have a problem with linking to your guide on other sites. Fede already hosts his guide elsewhere but that's more because of how he's banned here and couldn't edit his guide, but there's more room for you to post your guide and it should fit in one post. I'd suggest you give us an alternative like that, it would be easy on the eyes. Assuming you clean up the guide itself a bit because it's pretty difficult to read at places.

Overall, really, even if I don't agree with everything 100%, it's not a bad guide. Just the format could be much better. Also thank god for giving a good example of using "hour counts" to your advantage ("I promise you that we will force X hours a week every week. (This is optional but I feel that it is better to set a goal for yourself when you are forcing)."). I do want to approve this and I guess I will, but please, think of what I said. I believe it would make this guide so much better and easier to approach. Not sure if you have any excuses (yes, excuses, not reasons, lalala) for why you have formatted it the way you have in this thread, but implying I'll go looking for it.

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11-17-2013, 03:29 PM
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RE: Methos's Tulpa Creation Guide
(11-17-2013, 06:11 AM)CyberD Wrote: Definitely a guide that gets my vote. Lots of information and plenty of ideas for people starting out. I would simply ask that the much nicer looking PDF be edited into the first post for easy access.

Thanks, I will do that.

(11-17-2013, 03:29 PM)Sands Wrote: First of all, that fucking pony ASCII art. I mean, seriously? I'm not even going to lie, the first time this guide popped up when it was written, that's as far as I got when it was linked to me. In a way, maybe you were meaning this to be for the idiots who come here thinking they are going to make their super special pony girlfriend who will love them forever, a pony image would make them read this as they think it's meant for them and read a lot of good stuff they need to read. Maybe learn a thing or two and stop being as idiotic as they would have without. But it's going to alienate everyone who also would learn a lot of good stuff from it but will go "oh it's for those ponyfuckers, I don't want to be involved in that". Is that what you want?

The use of indentations also make it harder to read. Not as hard as if there were no stops between the paragraphs so thanks for that, but it still makes it look like quite the text wall. It could be made much neater and easier to read. This isn't a newspaper.

Also, Pastebin's monotype font isn't the nicest thing to read for long periods of time, so I do suggest changing that as well. Now, Google Docs is a slow piece of shit and PDFs otherwise could be much better and it's annoying to have to deal with them when you want to give it a quick look, but you don't have a problem with linking to your guide on other sites. Fede already hosts his guide elsewhere but that's more because of how he's banned here and couldn't edit his guide, but there's more room for you to post your guide and it should fit in one post. I'd suggest you give us an alternative like that, it would be easy on the eyes. Assuming you clean up the guide itself a bit because it's pretty difficult to read at places.

Overall, really, even if I don't agree with everything 100%, it's not a bad guide. Just the format could be much better. Also thank god for giving a good example of using "hour counts" to your advantage ("I promise you that we will force X hours a week every week. (This is optional but I feel that it is better to set a goal for yourself when you are forcing)."). I do want to approve this and I guess I will, but please, think of what I said. I believe it would make this guide so much better and easier to approach. Not sure if you have any excuses (yes, excuses, not reasons, lalala) for why you have formatted it the way you have in this thread, but implying I'll go looking for it.

The point was so that I didn't want to format it to look nice. I wanted something anyone could easily read in their text editor and format however they wanted. It's a long guide and I feel that most people take bits and pieces of it rather than read the entire thing from start to finish in one sitting. I'm not really the best writer and I certainly did not go out of my way to make my guide look "pretty" because quite frankly, I did not care and I don't think a lot of the readers care too much either. I do appreciate the criticism however and I assure you it looks much nicer in the PDF format as well as the wiki page for it on the tulpa wikia.

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11-17-2013, 08:00 PM
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RE: Methos's Tulpa Creation Guide
The PDF version of this guide is very nice, looks like the quality of a professional e-book or something. Packed to the brim with legit information - although some of it can be a little confusing to people who don't understand all the computer analogies. The only section I found not too useful was the audial imposition section, but no other description of that step exists elsewhere. I realize my review of the guide is short, but my sentiment towards this guide is positive, and I approve of it.

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11-21-2013, 03:17 AM
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It covers things well. A little longer than it may need to be. Your writing has improved since you came here.
11-22-2013, 11:29 PM
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RE: Methos's Tulpa Creation Guide
Page 2

I know you quoted FAQ_Man directly, but the bit where he says "since the schism is essentially from your subconscious" is factually wrong. This will lead people to thinking that their tulpa is their subconscious and only into further misinformation and misunderstandings (that I can see bringing about issues). "The subconscious" is not a location and there's nothing that can come "from" there, it's only things you are aware of but not consciously aware of. (Quote from Wikipedia: "In psychology, the subconscious is the part of consciousness that is not currently in focal awareness.")
So, my advice would be to leave out that last bit, as it also implies that making a tulpa is like gaining a "superpower" of sorts ("allowing near-perfect memory recall, strong and fast math-cranking and other feats") which, in practice, is actually rarely seen.
"Most people always fuck up their first time and that's OK."

I don't like this. This is a form of frontloading and might make new people afraid of "fucking up". I believe the only mistakes you can make are either doing the complete opposite of what a legit guide advises you to do, or not forcing at all. This will only bring about questions such as "Guys am I doing this right?" "I've made no progress, I think I'm doing it wrong" etc.
It'd be better to change this into something along the lines of "Most people have trouble with this practice at first, but that's OK." It'd be much less frightening for a new user who is prone to do something ineffectively than telling them they might fuck up with a process where measuring progress is extremely hard at first. The rest of the page is fine to me.

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I wouldn't recommend posting a link to Bluesleeve's tumblr, as the very first post on that tumblr basically says .info has turned to shit, and he is therefore leaving. Makes it kinda odd if that's what follows a link to tulpa.info saying it's "The greatest tulpa website ever". I'm also not sure about why you mentioned the fiction you're writing in your pastebin. I don't mind that it's there, but it seems kind of irrelevant to tulpas, and therefore not really necessary to mention.

I do like how you mention that you've read every guide you've found multiple times. Sets a good example.

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I know you quoted FAQ_Man's definition of tulpas in the beginning of the guide, but it'd be nice if you started off this section with your own definition. I know it might be confusing if it's too different from FAQ's (but if it's too different, why quote him anyway?) but a more expansive explanation of what you think tulpas are would be a nice addition to this guide, seeing as you have no glossary. This is just a suggestion, I'll still approve of this guide without this if you decide not to add it.

Your definition of forcing is very weak. You don't have a glossary, and since you stated that you wanted the guide to be helpful to everyone, it'd be nice if you could give a slightly broader definition of both active and passive forcing. People also passive force outside of imposition, and people can also take the "sitting down and visualizing" bit very literally. On top of that, in my experience, there's way more to forcing than just visualizing. In a creation guide, it's essential to explain what forcing is properly. For this point specifically, I can't approve of this guide unless this is fixed.

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the Tulpa with its own data and you with yours, but you are able all of the data together!"

I don't like the computer analogy but it works for some, so it's fine with me. That black box approach seems rather out of place, though, and I'm not sure how it fits in between forcing and personality, layout-wise. Also, you should fix that typo.


"Alright, this is going to be a bit longer, but I would appreciate if you would read it, as it is very important."

This should be self-evident for the entire guide. I think you can remove this sentence, if someone doesn't want to read they won't read it anyway, and seeing as the guide itself is already expansive, you should try making it as short as possible without diminishing quality.

"The main question here is - what exactly is a personality?"
You literally asked the same question three lines above that. Once again, this is self-evident.

"To be honest I don’t know it myself. I’m not a psychiatrist and I am not a biologist (even though I’m quite interested in these sorts of things)."
This is just a suggestion, but you should look up what a personality is and include it in a guide. Outside of guides, there's nothing worse than reading something where the writer poses a question and doesn't know how to answer it, unless that's exactly what leads them to their point, which isn't the case here.

"The personality as a product of its experiences"
Is*


I like the black box analogy, but I feel as though the wording here is poor. If other GATs don't feel the same way, I'll ignore this point, but I'd honestly like to see this worded better. If you don't know how to do it, I could give suggestions, but I won't right now to not make this post any longer. The typos, grammar mistakes and excessive use of commas really shouldn't be there though. Also, the cause of phobias has little to do with tulpa creation, you can remove that line.

Page 5

My last statements sorta bled over into page 5, but I'm continuing here starting from "The human black box"

This is where the analogy starts getting complicated and hard to follow, at least for me. Analogies, in my opinion, should always be kept short, simple and straightforward. Adding many details to them to go deeper into your explanation only confuses the reader. And even if it's understandable, it can turn into trying to keep up with the analogy rather than trying to understand what the analogy is trying to explain. This entire section needs a revision.

"What the hell is a Tulpa then?" is followed by "What happens when we create a tulpa?". Your header questions should be relevant to what follows them, changing the original question only looks messy. What follows it, though, makes sense, even without reading the "human black box" section.


Page 6

I really like how you included Phi's Pre-Creation stage. I did this myself (albeit not his version) and it's very helpful. Do remember to add a second quote at the end of the piece of text you're quoting, though.

Your personal approach to it is frontloading. It's too direct (even though it's an example, people love following examples when they don't know what to do) and leaves LITTLE room for open interpretation. I know what you're trying to achieve here, and the intent is great, but the example itself is too literal and personal for anyone to benefit from in my opinion. Using this example is like telling the reader what to do, step by step, rather than letting them figure it out for themselves. I suggest removing that whole piece and changing it to something MUCH vaguer that is easier to interpret subjectively.


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(it's late right now and i'm tired, but I'll finish the rest tomorrow.)
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Good guide, approved.

This is a guide I have seen used by many people with very successful results. I can also personally say that this guide has proven to my useful during my own process. You organized the process in an orderly fashion through the use of titles, headings, ext., making this a very easy to follow guide as well. It is organized, clear, and helpful.

Additionally, I also like your use of explaining the system of writing down personality traits. That seems to by a dying art now-a-days and I am happy to see one of the more popular guides discussing it as opposed to totally avoiding it.

Overall, great work, and I hope this helps many more people.

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