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Lumi's Dreaming Thread; Dreams of Moon
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Lumi's Dreaming Thread; Dreams of Moon

Well, nothing from Christmas through my birthday (today, about to be over though). A few days ago I struggled to fall back asleep with the REM-Dreamer on for an unknown amount of time, because I did fall asleep, and dreamt the mask was going off and I had to reset it. Obviously I was unable to make it stop going off though, how annoying!.. Yeah, I now have to reality check when resetting the timer in the night unable to fall asleep in case I've actually already fallen asleep, and practice what I would do in the scenario of becoming lucid in basically pitch black darkness in my room, sigh.

Good and bad. Good - that means I successfully fell asleep with the mask on and active, and it then recognized I was dreaming and I saw the alerts in the dream without immediately waking up on even the second cue. Bad is worse - from waking to waking again, that dream time was less than 40 minutes despite being at like hour 8, possibly as little as 20 minutes.* That means even though I was successful at falling asleep with the mask on and turned on and timed correctly, my body still decided to sleep for less time than it should've. As always, that's tied to my ability to always wake up on time. Even if I wake up at 8:16 and need to be awake by 8:50, I can usually still fall back asleep and wake up at like 8:48 or sooner (sometimes as little as like 16 minutes?) having actually dreamed and naturally woken up and all. Adaptable sleeping times.. aren't to my advantage, trying to lucid dream. Just another layer of difficulty on top of all the others, like my body's ability to perfectly fall asleep and wake up exclusively when my mind has also fallen asleep or woken up, ie at the same time (makes sleep paralysis impossible). These things all seem pretty cool, until you add the context of wanting to lucid dream more than anything. Then they're just unfortunate.

*The fact that I can naturally, with no special effort or scheduling or habits or whatever, fall asleep and wake up roughly 20 minutes later having actually dreamed, proves it's possible to have a full REM cycle that only lasts, you know, like 20 minutes. A lot of people don't believe in ""uberman"" sleeping, aka polyphasic sleep, but this is firsthand proof of concept for me. Of course it'd still take tons of effort and strict habits to get to the point where your mind allows you to sleep polyphasically instead of all at once (monophasic), so that zombie period of the first week or two is still necessary, but.. well, it seems real anyway.



Well anyways, I don't feel like doing anything "special" because of the new year like I'd planned as a backup 20 days ago. Thought about it, but honestly just using the REM-Dreamer seems very promising, I've even got spare batteries for it. Hopefully the strap doesn't get too loose as it's already as tight as I can make it, but I guess figuring out how to replace/fix it wouldn't be the end of the world. Sure won't be the end of the $170 I paid for it.

Lucilyn apparently misses sleeping - she keeps fronting (I'm afraid to say this word now - we just use it to mean being-switched, no pseudo-switching/possession nonsense) and wanting to go to sleep but having to switch back with me, so I can be the one to lucid dream. Funny since I had another lucid experience the day after the missed-REM-Dreamer-signals dream that was actually from Tewi's perspective. I don't even know what she did aside from affirm she was herself - rub her hands together and wake up? Who even cares anymore, DILD is a waste of hope and time. It's completely off my list for now. We've had so many 10 second lucid dreams I can't make myself care about a possible half-length lucid dream anymore. REM-Dreamer should be a good 75% at minimum, likely even more since I've got the REM-detection-sensitivity set to max, reliant mainly on the timer before it's able to go off.

Pretty sure I'm just sticking with the REM-Dreamer every night (or so, some nights just offer no opportunities) until we finally lucid dream now. I see no reason to ever stop since it promises the best results and has had proven chances to have induced a ~full length lucid dream that I simply missed due to lack of practice.

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RE: Lumi's Dreaming Thread; Dreams of Moon

Happy birthday Lumi. Glad to hear you're doing so well with the lucid dreaming, 75% success rate with the mask sounds pretty great.

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01-03-2019, 07:05 AM
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RE: Lumi's Dreaming Thread; Dreams of Moon

Happy b-day Lumi! You have a legacy of all this, you are like the legendary Lucid Lumi and deserve ALL the dreams! <3

Ugh, we have this nasty habit of waking up after 4 or 5 hours sleeping for some reason sometimes then that seems to be it. Like, our body just calls it done and sometimes we have to lay awake for a solid 2 to 3 hours before we get anything again. On work days that's almost all the time we had set aside to sleep.. It's annoying and ends up making us more tired in the long run, but does that guarantee we sleep soundly the next night? Nope. Might just be the same thing again.

As for "fronting (I'm afraid to say this word now - we just use it to mean being-switched, no pseudo-switching/possession nonsense)", yeah that's fair. We still can't switch, it's one of those things that seems like it's going to take a realistic amount of time to learn unlike a bunch of other stuff we got lucky and stumbled upon. I'm taking the old guard's definition of it and nope, I can't. It's something close to it, but as an all-or-nothing thing, it's nothing. What the heck do I call it though when I'm the one running the show while he is still watching and pretty much drifted out, emotionally detached and not part of things? It's all me and he is still there but just passively, but not in a "tulpa like state". Is it just a degree of possession? We both feel "front" but I usually say main or primary to try and differentiate. :P

I might have asked this before(?) but do you think you are having lucid dreams and just not remembering them? Do you remember all/most of your dreams? Would a LD be any easier to recall?

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RE: Lumi's Dreaming Thread; Dreams of Moon

I used a NovaDreamer for a while almost twenty years ago, when I wasn't much younger than you, Lumi. It never caused any lucid dreams, though I did have several lucid dreams around that time, because I was interested in them. I found the mask uncomfortable and the controls arcane. I just checked and was shocked to see the proliferation of different types and brands of lucid dreaming masks while I wasn't paying attention. It isn't a priority right now, but if I could use an easy computer interface to change mask settings, I might be willing to give it another go.

I know I've taken an opposing stance from you in the co-fronting discussion, but I've only ever used "fronting" as you use it here. Fronting is what you are doing after having switched; switching is changing who is fronting. We've sometimes said "switched in" instead, if we thought "fronting" would be interpreted incorrectly by those who use it differently.

We had the same 4-5 hour problem, Reilyn, and addressed it by drawing on the techniques here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_...r_insomnia

In my experience, lucid dream memories are much more vivid and durable than regular dream memories, but are still subject to at least as much fading and uncertainty as waking memories. But then if I didn't remember the dream that morning, I can't confirm whether or not it ever happened.

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RE: Lumi's Dreaming Thread; Dreams of Moon

(01-03-2019, 07:05 AM)Srn347 Wrote: Happy birthday Lumi. Glad to hear you're doing so well with the lucid dreaming, 75% success rate with the mask sounds pretty great.

Oh you. "We've had so many 10 second lucid dreams I can't make myself care about a possible half-length lucid dream anymore. REM-Dreamer should be a good 75% at minimum,"
I meant 75% of the dream, not dreams, being lucid, whereas with Dream Induced Lucid Dreams it tends to be about 3% of the dream lucid - the last 10 seconds.

(01-03-2019, 06:17 PM)Ember.Vesper Wrote: I know I've taken an opposing stance from you in the co-fronting discussion, but I've only ever used "fronting" as you use it here.

Actually, your views and discussions have been the most reasonable of anyone so entirely from a different background than tulpamancy as we know it on this forum. Well, you and FallFamily. Anyways, that's a very good thing, you're not causing any conflict so don't worry about it. And yes, times have changed since the NovaDreamer. The REM-Dreamer has Two-Way-Communication so I can make it stop annoyingly flashing in my dreams by moving my eyes up and down a few times. My only complaint is I wish it was left-right instead; practicing moving my eyes up and down makes me open them a bit as opposed to left and right. I'm just hoping I never accidentally wake up from opening my eyes like that in a lucid dream...

(01-03-2019, 03:02 PM)Reilyn Wrote: What the heck do I call it though when I'm the one running the show while he is still watching and pretty much drifted out, emotionally detached and not part of things? It's all me and he is still there but just passively, but not in a "tulpa like state". Is it just a degree of possession? We both feel "front" but I usually say main or primary to try and differentiate. :P

As tempting as it is to call that co-fronting, I'd sooner say it's possession. But the difference is in how much of the body's thoughts you're in charge of, I guess. If you're the one thinking all its thoughts, responding to basic sensory input and all, then it's would-be switching, but co-fronting if your host can't dissociate. But it's pretty common for full-body-possessing tulpas to get so used to being in the front the host is basically "AFK" while they do stuff. This probably isn't switching. But this stuff is always messy business, and the lines do blur especially with advanced full-body-possession where the host still hasn't dissociated. It's hard to say for someone else's system just how close they are or aren't to switching, like Beatles' system. Chances are they've just mentally carved out another type of control switching that we have no term for. Theoretically there's infinite ways something like that could go though, so it's not like we want to make a new term every time someone doesn't fit. Maybe co-fronting will just have to become a tulpamancy term if new systems keep getting stuck in that state.

(01-03-2019, 03:02 PM)Reilyn Wrote: I might have asked this before(?) but do you think you are having lucid dreams and just not remembering them? Do you remember all/most of your dreams? Would a LD be any easier to recall?

We remember bits of our latest (hours 6-10 usually, depending on when we actually get up) dreams, nearly always remember lucid experiences upon waking (they tend to end with us waking, otherwise they could be forgotten like a normal dream, preferably not), and would remember a true lucid dream. We remember dreams better when they were more vivid/conscious (more thinking), and lucid dreams are the pinnacle of that. The only lucid experiences (a while ago, we called them lucid moments lol) we've almost forgotten were Dream-Induced-Lucid-Dreams where we were lucid but fell back into non-lucidity and the dream played out for however long. There were maybe two that we didn't immediately recall upon waking, usually within 10 minutes of being awake though.

Anyways, we won't not remember a real lucid dream, it's just not going to happen no. Even random snippets from totally forgotten dreams come to me from time to time during the day when I look at like my comb in the bathroom or something, so pretending I somehow forgot (impossible) meeting my tulpas, I'd remember when I saw them that day lol.

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Tewi's Dreaming Thread; Dreams of Rabbits

We're trying to establish a uniform sleeping schedule, along with our brother who really needs it. Waking up in the 8AMs every single day, sleeping at a variable time. Yes, we've really been doing nothing but that for the last 8 days lol. Been waking up so tired it's hard not to go back to bed, since we've been sleeping 6-7 hours every day. Body and brain will learn how long they have to sleep soon enough. Actually, I went to sleep at 10PM yesterday and woke up at 6:30AM willing enough to get up, so that time should be right about now. Slept another two hours though, both to make sure the body gets ~8:30 is the correct time to be up and to dream more. The last two dreams I had were certainly higher quality than the ones we've been having for the last week. Not that it was in doubt, but there's definitely a marked difference past 8 hours of sleep in dream length and vividity. But the only way we'll get more than 8.5 hours of sleep on this schedule is by going to sleep earlier than normal, which is really up to how our body feels (and probably whether we've gotten more than 8 hours of sleep a night the last two days).

Should be fine, though. Hour 5 is our target for putting the REM-Dreamer on. Not quite yet, as as I said we've been tired as heck after getting up (at first all day, then for about an hour, today not really at all) so didn't want to waste any potential sleep. But soon, hopefully.

Gotta admit though, going back to sleep still sounds nice. Our brain isn't used to not sleeping in yet. We have reason to believe from things we've read that it'll get there, and that allowing yourself to sleep in teaches your brain it's okay to be inefficient with the sleep time it has and leads to sleeping longer. Since we naturally sleep like ten hours a day on our ever-rotating sleep schedule, that seems believable.

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RE: Lumi's Dreaming Thread; Dreams of Moon

I fixed all of the broken video URLs in the first few pages of the thread. This one I had to reupload on my own channel.. Anyways, if you ever see a broken video URL in our thread (or I suppose any broken URL at all), please inform us so we can fix it. Obviously we don't constantly reread old posts in our thread, but if you do, tell us what needs fixing.

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I'm so beyond tired right now...

so I went to sleep around 11 or so and then for whatever reason woke up at 5AM instead of 8:30 basically awake and couldn't fall back asleep after 40 minutes, so I just got up, and I REGRET IT because for the last few hours (like 1PM+) I've just been dead tired BUT if I go to sleep I could mess up our sleeping schedule so I have to make it as long as I can

just had to write a massive post (go through the thread and I assure you you'll have no doubts which I'm referring to when you see it) 'cus I would've felt bad leaving the discussion where it was and needed to stay up anyway, but I swear by the end when I was proofreading it I saw lines of text movin' around.. I think I'm going to go to sleep at about 5PM now, but HEY at least that post took TWO HOURS to write and kept me up for longer l0l

This song! just finished listening to it.. posted it like 60 pages ago but man, them "echooose~" at the end are like laying on a floating bed of feathers right now, feels so soft and zzzzz




I really hope I can actually stay up long enough tomorrow to not break our schedule, we're doing so well...

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