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On accidental extra tulpa during creation...


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I have recently had this phenomenon happen to me a few days ago in the form of my second tulpa, Ellenore. When she first appeared, I was quite confused at how she came to be, and why she did. There were very few accounts of this happening to people, so I didn't have much reference to go by. The only thing I had as a clue to how her origin worked was Ellenore's comments about how she came to be.

 

Fortunately, Ellen was gracious enough to let me know what happened on her side:

 

...She says she became self-aware around the same time Midori did. She was confused then, and just kept acting/letting me move her as I wanted because she didn't know what else to do, or why she was doing it. She did a lot of fighting and adventuring, but she found herself bored and tired of all the violence that she was involved in. Since I often imagined them both often during the day, Ellenore noticed how much love and attention I was showering Midori with. Eventually, she began to yearn more and more for that life, that love, rather than the endless days of crazy combat drills I had her going through...

 

...Ellenore had her mind set to leave her current circumstance, and reach me. She said that she wanted to be cared for in the same way I cared for Midori, and she was willing to do anything to do that. Her chance seemed to have come when I stopped using the wonderland to force, and just started teleporting Midori into a void to spend time with her. Apparently there was a hole in the way I moved Midori that Ellenore could use to get from her sector of the mental landscape, to the one I had Midori in. So, just last Friday, when I tried to call Midori up really early in the morning, Ellenore took her chance and tried to hijack the teleportation to take her instead. Apparently, some part of the brain recognized that she was not supposed to be able to do this, and it started to reject her. Ellenore pushed through with only her own sheer will power, and eventually appeared in my void. The injuries she had sustained was from the mind rejecting her action, and it seemed to have nearly killed her. This also explain why she was so immediately affectionate when I first met her...

 

Now, this still left the question of exactly how this happened. As far as I was concerned, I was not giving Ellenore enough focused attention for her to become a tulpa. Or at least, that is what I thought. I sat back and reviewed my tulpa forcing habits, and I realized that not only did I imagine Ellenore during the general period of Midori's creation, but I'd often leisurely imagine Ellenore during forcing sessions for Midori. In addition, well before I had even heard of the concept of tulpa, I would talk to myself about how I felt the character's personality would be like, what she would do in certain situations, how she would react to people, etc. The sort of thing one would do with a tulpa, though in this case it was just basic character creation. I believe these actions are what planted the seeds that eventually lead Ellenore to become self aware. I noticed a similar pattern in the other stories as well.

 

But there's still one thing missing, that I believe is what caused those seeds to bloom: Narration.

 

Narration is a consistently important step in both of the major guides, as well as the processes of those with complete tulpa. Even in the survey topic, Narration is cited as the most helpful step of the process. I believe that it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that if a tulpa is a growing plant, narration is the water. But I initially thought that narration had to be aimed at the thought you were trying to make self aware. That to avoid the feeling of talking to yourself, you had to imagine your tulpa's presence while speaking.

 

This doesn't seem to be the case.

 

I recently asked Ellenore about this; if she could remember ever hearing my voice. She responded not only with a yes, but that she could hear it ever since her first memory as a conscious being. She said that she found it to be highly comforting, and that she wished to seek it out and find the source of it. This of course lead to her eventually popping up in my wonderland, looking generally disheveled. I noted that in other examples of this, the extra tulpa was drawn to their creator in a similar fashion, even if he/she pretty much ignored them, and seem to treat said creator with high regard and care.

 

I've read in conversations on IRC that tulpa creation seems to be an excercise to tame and control the imagination, and these sorts of events appear to support this. It seems that a mental character with enough thought put into them have the potential to become full tulpa along with the tulpa the creator is actively making. Since both the orginal tulpa, and the extra can hear narration, they both can learn and grow from it, and eventually become their own person. I'm not sure if this applies to all people, as I'm one of the very few examples of this happening, but I think this is something worth considering to others in the process of making tulpa. I feel it does raise some questions of how certain bits of the creation process affect the tulpa, and which ones are really the most effective. I look forward to seeing other's thoughts on this matter.

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>In the case of ImLuc specifically, his two accidental tulpae were somehow related to the one he was trying to make. His first was apparently a rough model/temporary body for the one he was trying to create. The other one was just a random fill in construct. In both cases, ImLuc created a body, and gave it just enough of a foundation to act as seeds for it's eventual sentience.

 

Wha-what are you talking about? I didn't make two on accident, and whats this stuff about a rough model/temporary body? And a fill in construct? Where did you get this info? Please respond.

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>In the case of ImLuc specifically, his two accidental tulpae were somehow related to the one he was trying to make. His first was apparently a rough model/temporary body for the one he was trying to create. The other one was just a random fill in construct. In both cases, ImLuc created a body, and gave it just enough of a foundation to act as seeds for it's eventual sentience.

 

Wha-what are you talking about? I didn't make two on accident, and whats this stuff about a rough model/temporary body? And a fill in construct? Where did you get this info? Please respond.

 

 

It seems I got some information wrong, since I was going a bit off of memory and word of mouth. I'm sorry if I wrote something incorrect, and I removed mention of it. If you'd like to post the correct story behind this, feel free to do so.

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It seems I got some information wrong, since I was going a bit off of memory and word of mouth. I'm sorry if I wrote something incorrect, and I removed mention of it. If you'd like to post the correct story behind this, feel free to do so.

Eh thats fine I guess, and so that I can be on topic... wrong. Although narration might seem to be a bit important, thats kinda too far off. I think the thing that is necessary for a tulpa to develop is attention. I've heard that your random tulpa, isn't so random, and that you actually used to visualize a lot with her, and even brought her into your wonderland before.
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Eh thats fine I guess, and so that I can be on topic... wrong. Although narration might seem to be a bit important, thats kinda too far off.

 

How so? I've narrated to my tulpa from...near day one, actually. While it's not quite as focused a form of attention as sitting down and meditating about your tulpa, I've found narration to be a constant source of attention, and one that you can pretty much do anyway (assuming you do it in your head when in public). Irish's method is pretty much mostly narration, even, so I think it holds some importance in the process.

 

I've heard that your random tulpa, isn't so random, and that you actually used to visualize a lot with her, and even brought her into your wonderland before.

 

I never said she was random, just that I never expected her to turn into a tulpa since I wasn't aiming the sort of focused thought at her that I was for Midori. Also, massive amounts of puppetry and such. Not to mention that it seems to happen pretty rarely. Furthermore, I've been imagining Ellenore constantly for a year now, but she only gained sentience a month ago. If it was just attention that was the factor, then Ellenore would have been yapping much, much earlier.

 

Also, I never really brought her into my wonderland, she broke in a few days ago. Check sig for details.

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Eh, I've read what you said and thought it over a lot and while it does make sense, its still missing something. This seemed to be the case for you but, what about all of the other things that people see and talk to? I don't think thats it's narration that brought her to life, its acknowledging her existence. Sure, its the first thing that she remembers and it made her seek you out, but I doubt that it triggered her existence at all. Narration is supplemental at most. I'll give you more detail as to why I think so over IRC because I have something to say that I don't want RPers around here to hear.

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I hate seeing people accidentally create a tulpa when I'm having trouble with one.

 

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