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Psykai

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Hey guys :)

 

So I FINALLY got done writing up my tulpa's personality, likes, dislikes, hobbies, etc. Whilst I think there's still a little work and fleshing out to be done, I figured I ought to start thinking about how to actually go about the forcing process.

 

See, I'm not quite sure how to paraphrase things to my tulpa. The way I have written things, I can't just read them to her off of the page because it wouldn't sound right, and in some instances there's not quite enough information written to be worth conveying to her (just a few small sentences) so I need to figure out how much I need to say and how to word them in a way she's likely to understand in her baby-like state.

 

I was wondering if anyone could give some examples of how they might explain traits to their tulpa, so that I have some idea on how to phrase my own when it comes to it. I don't want my explanations to be full of holes or 'um's and 'uh's. I even considered writing a sort of script, but I feel like educated improvisation may be better.

 

Thanks a lot if you're able to help :)

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Have you considered teaching or instilling a specific set of values?

 

If you feel your own views and opinions are something for another conversation, I would suggest taking specific words you feel are significant and explain them to her in simple words. Once you generally describe the characteristic, you could thereon lend an example of how this quality would apply to a human being. As she matures, you could also begin sharing culture and history to better illustrate the relevant aspect of personality. For instance, the great strength expressed by Heracles, or the wisdom shared by figures such as King Solomon and Confucius.

 

As for mono-syllabic delays ("ums", "ahs", et cetera), remember that these are incurred by the discrepancy between our movement of our thoughts and our mouths. If you must, slowly or carefully read the entries aloud.

I've seen good people bleed

And I thought I'd seen it all

But my own two eyes would prove me wrong that day.

 

There are things that I've done

Only seen by the sun

And those things will be buried in my grave.

 

 

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You kind of answered your own question as to how to deal with the awkwardness of reading off a script, or a list of traits to your tulpa. It would really just be reading off of that, but not feeling that any remnant of those sayings would bleed onto their progress. Instead of seeing it as a template you have to read word for word, see it as a blank canvas to deviate into other things.

 

Think of it this way, by creating a list of likes, dislikes, hobbies, etc., you are imagining conditionals over what they could, or, given their character. In life, we may know about a certain person that when they’re being talked about over something they did, you would reply in some way of, “Yeah, I can/can’t see them doing that” because indirectly, we have our own conception of “their character.”

 

The list of traits are just a pre-meal warmup for you to imagine scenarios that can match that “given their character” you want to subscribe, and assist them in. If speaking doesn’t work out, then maybe just use your imagination. If you have difficulties with visualization, and such, then work towards building those competencies. If you want one way of doing this, try out my image streaming guide here:

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1guub6JF0OGVheUPzddtMyZKHqnrcnuWLYufwGhc3Fmc/edit#

 

 

If you try out one of the exercises, you could see that you can create a scenario based on certain traits you want to emphasize on, and gradually, but surely, there could be a basis of “given their character” that you can know indirectly without feeling that each encounter has to be prefaced with a script. We don’t necessarily create contingencies through word documents over people we talk to on a daily basis, unless one is really calculated like that. We gather those inferences of their character through the experiential context that has happened before, along with our presumptions of them.

 

So, if you limit that interaction to reading off a script without a follow up, then yeah, you’re going to get a lot of those um’s and uh’s. There isn’t enough fallback for you as yet, I guess, because of that worry.

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That's actually really interesting because one of my first ideas was more or less just daydreaming all kinds of scenarios (something I do anyway) but trying to make it seem more real and to imagine my tulpa there with me and sort of puppeteer her through the adventure with me, however I wasn't sure if that was a good idea because of the puppeteering aspect but it seems like your method is more like telling the story of the daydream and visualizing it so that the tulpa can see/imagine it but not actually physically be part of it (like our mind bodies are just sat imagining the scenario)? Kind of like a shared daydream. Is that about right? So for example, I've given her 'likes sports' as a trait/hobby. With your method, I'd narrate to her what it would be like to actually play a sport, describe and visualize her doing it, what she might do, feel, etc. Something like that? Sorry if I've misunderstood a little. I'm assuming that in any case parroting is not involved (so like I wouldn't imagine her laughing or shouting if I put her in a scenario where she was having fun) or would that not matter since it's a fictional representation of her that I'm telling a story about rather than actually being her? Sorry if I sound confused, I think I'm having a dumb day ^_^. Hopefully some of that made sense.

 

I definitely think I could try some of those exercises. The random object/word exercises seem like a fun way to try and invoke spontaneous behavior from both myself and my tulpa as well as get me to loosen up a little.

 

Thanks a lot for trying to help! I'm sorry if I didn't quite understand it but it has definitely given me some ideas about how I could approach narrating. I'll definitely be giving it a shot :).

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With your method, I'd narrate to her what it would be like to actually play a sport, describe and visualize her doing it, what she might do, feel, etc. Something like that? Sorry if I've misunderstood a little.

 

This activity can happen via any method that allows you to narrate and imagine them doing it, so it isn’t exclusive to my method. I mean, I know you don’t really mean that, but this is just to the people that may read this, and think my method is a special snowflake method. (Breaking the 4th wall, here)

 

Anyway, you’re right on target when it comes to speculating what it would be like to actually play a sport. So for example, tennis. You could imagine them feeling the weight of a racquet, winding up while letting go of their serving hand to elevate the tennis ball, and feeling the sun hitting their skin, and them feeling what it could be like to go through a kinetic chain with following through with that serve, and preparing for a forehand, backhand, and just having a good time ironing out these things so that they could put into context over what’s going on.

 

If you structure it as them applying things into context, you don’t have to worry about your imagination doing something random because it’s just another chance for you to place some context to amplify whatever experiences you want to do with them. Also, with parroting, if there’s any fear in that, I could chalk up parroting as merely imagining conditionals over the possibilities one feels a tulpa can do, but not really interacting with them in the sense of, for example, physically moving your friend’s arm (I’m using an analogy that one of Lumi’s tulpas used). Would you say you’re parroting your friend in this circumstance? Hopefully not, because even though you’re moving their arms, you’re not stepping inside of their head, and they become a puppet to you.

 

With tulpas, it seems hard at first if you’re controlling every single ounce of action exhibited by your imagination, but that fear seems to start from feeling that our imagination can become personified, IMO, and end up controlling everything. But, when you strip away that label of personification of unconscious processes, then you have nothing to fear; your imagination is at your beck and call.

 

At least, this is the conviction I had for quite some time, and it helped me a lot in understanding that literally anything that comes to mind can be a chance for them to put things into context so that gradually, they can apply them with this reality. It’s through the imagination is where the home is for all of that, IMO.

 

Trust me, you got the gist of it, and then some. You could say that once you have a “given their character” established with your tulpa, it gets a little easier narrating to them because you have some understanding of what’s “given their character.” In other words, you can find circumstances and events to talk about that they can relate to. Like, "Oh, I can totally see her/him wanting to talk about that, or getting all huff-puffy about it." But even with that, if there’s some contrast to their relation, it can still be something they can apply their own perspective into this. I guess it depends on what you want to accomplish when treating them as sentient.

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This has really helped! I found this was a much easier way of showing/explaining things to her and I think my first proper session was productive. I had a weird issue at first where whenever I tried to focus my mind voice on her, all my visualizations crumbled, like I couldn't do both at the same time. Eventually I managed to get a faint/fuzzy image and speak to her at the same time. At least it felt like I did... I'm still not 100% I quite nailed the 'speaking TO, not AT' aspect. Guess I finally found something my brain can't multi-task very well with lol. I think it's going to take me a while to get the hang of imagining all kinds of situations too, especially when trying to think of ways to teach her about some of her traits. It's difficult to think of situations where some of her traits could be explored. I might have to start using the random words/objects method.

 

Thanks for everything :)

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