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(10-25-2014, 10:29 AM)色の夢 Wrote: Shouldn't a guide be backed up by experience rather than bold claims?

No.

A guide should be judged on how well presented it is, and whether it works. "Consider the source" is a logical fallacy.

Before I ever came here, I knew all about tulpas. I first heard about them on a forum where people talked about mind control rays, and how the president was a reptilian shapeshifter. I read about them in books by people who believed that pyramid power could keep razors sharp, and that thoughts influence reality. If you don't believe me, you can check my sources. The truth is, everybody -- regardless of their reputation -- will get some things right and some things wrong. We must judge what they say on what they say, not who they are.

For all I know, the OP had a dream about possession and was inspired to register here and post this without even knowing what tulpas were. Stranger things have happened. And it wouldn't matter, so long as the guide is clear, and the method works.

You did bring up one interesting issue though:

(10-25-2014, 10:29 AM)色の夢 Wrote: I don't think this guide does much more than restate minor details of what better possession and switching guides state.

In 1889, Lewis Carroll suggested (rather fancifully) erasing every recorded thought except in the sentence where it is best expressed.

Quote:Most libraries would be terribly diminished in bulk. But just think what they would gain in quality!

In the end, he concluded that there was no chance of it happening anytime soon. It would be an incredible undertaking, especially as people would continue to write more as you were doing it. And of course it's a matter of opinion what's better.

Someday, perhaps, the GAT might remove guides that have been eclipsed by newer and better guides, or become redundant, or been shown to be less effective than other guides in a scientific study. But that's outside our scope at the moment.

As it stands, I believe that some people will prefer this guide to the others out there. And that's reason enough to keep it.

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10-25-2014, 01:07 PM
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We don't approve of guides if there already is an almost identical copy in message approved already. We will compare the two guides to see if they can compliment each other (both can be approved) or if one is superior (the better one will stay approved). We're supposed to decide which it is - and if you do think that some guides are redundant, you're free to let us know so we can take another look. Sometimes we will forget about the old ones, so if you remember or just recently read it and think it's similar to another approved one, please let us know.

It's kind of less of an issue now when we get so few guides, but we definitely did do our best when we had to sort the huge backlog. You can always tell us if you think there has been a mistake so we can re-open it and possibly change the verdict.

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10-25-2014, 02:11 PM
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(10-25-2014, 12:36 PM)Sands Wrote: As for what Linkzelda said about possession and switching... I'm afraid I really have no idea what you're talking about. They definitely are connected in a way and I even made a picture talking about it, but it's still easy to say when switching starts and when it's still "just" possession. Is host so disconnected from senses that they can ignore it and decide to see and feel what they want? If yes, congratulations, you're switching! If not... Well, you're still possessing, but you might be on your way to a switch. My number 1 tip for learning to switch is to get good at possession.

The link you’ve shown that I’ve seen other people use as an example is just more of a testament of the gray areas, i.e., the point between possession and switching in the scale shown in your link. Maybe when I talked about shifting awareness completely (switching) vs. still retaining some awareness (e.g. passive awareness; possession), it was a bit confusing, I guess. But my statements were to show that the reader can easily see this as a precursor to learn switching, but it’s still a possession guide of course.

I think this is good, because newcomers, and anyone trying to attempt this can see them as interconnected rather than absolutely dichotomous from each other, but still distinguishable based on the definitions...weird duality, I know. Same as your notion of practicing possession first to learn how to switch, just interpreted differently.
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10-25-2014, 02:24 PM
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A solid introduction and followed up with good details.

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10-25-2014, 03:06 PM
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Anything I would have to say about this guide has already been said, aside from that I really don't see a problem with the sentence structure like sushi pointed out. Honestly, it doesn't really matter to me, but whatever ends up being higher quality I'd be having to go with. It's a pretty good guide overall.

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10-25-2014, 03:15 PM
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(10-25-2014, 02:24 PM)Linkzelda Wrote: All these things, too long to quote, wow

Well, if people are trying to claim that the gray area where the host isn't disconnected enough is switching then I guess people are just using my words in a way I never meant for them to use. But they definitely are connected and hey, if we agree on that then I guess we agree on the basic idea.

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10-25-2014, 03:31 PM
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(10-25-2014, 03:31 PM)Sands Wrote: Well, if people are trying to claim that the gray area where the host isn't disconnected enough is switching then I guess people are just using my words in a way I never meant for them to use.

Other way around, possession; potentially on their way to switching if one goes further.


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10-25-2014, 03:45 PM
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That works, that's definitely how I see it based on my experiences at least. Seems like I'm not the only one either, so I doubt I'm a special case.

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10-25-2014, 04:32 PM
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Yeah, I agree with most of what's been said above. It's a good guide, and certainly welcome given that there are now no other possession guides here. For that reason there's obviously no concern about duplication. So I approve.
11-01-2014, 01:21 PM
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>>and to respect each other's wishes and limits.

Wow, great advice.

>>Worrying and doubting is cancerous to the learning process, so try to stay observant and optimistic.

Could be frontloading and is a bit hostile considering the connotations of the word cancerous. Encouraging belief is fine but persecuting (for lack of a better word) nonbelief isn't

>>If you're bothered by doubts or worry during the process, belief implanting might be helpful. It can help you get rid of the doubts that are limiting you, and make the process easier through positive reaffirmation. It can also be helpful with learning other tulpa related skills, or improving yourself in any area of your life. Belief implanting is detailed in Fede's guide.

Feel free to reference another guide in passing, but this part seem unnecessary here to me. (Move it to the end?)


All in all it seems like a mature and well-written guide even if I got the impression that the author's personality bled through a bit too much (Not necessarily a bad thing, personal taste etc.)

Do try to write the guide so that someone who is frustrated and doubting won't feel put off by it, that's one reason guides exist.

I have nothing but minor complaints along with deserved praise, Approved for guides.
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