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Bear with me here, I'm going to go from crazy inspiration for the idea to possibly valid scientific explanation for why it might work.

 

So, I was talking to a spiritualist when I got this crazy idea. According to him, the reason tulpa don't manifest very quickly is because the physical world is very "energy-dense", while things appear easily in the "astral realm" because its energy is more fluid.

 

Astral projection (if you don't know) is the process of inducing an out of body experience and visiting the "astral realm", which you could think of as like a spirit world. So, theoretically, you could use this to go to the astral realm and take advantage of its energy fluidity to really speed up the process of making a tulpa.

 

Ok, crazy mode off.

 

This makes sense psychologically. The way I see it, astral projection reports are all almost exactly the same, meaning it must be firmly rooted in the subconscious, influenced almost entirely by genetics. So, you are basically given much greater access to your subconscious and can take advantage of that to speed up the process of tulpa-making.

 

Unfortunately, as much as I would love to test this, I have thus far been completely incapable of astral projecting.

 

tl;dr: I want someone who is able to astral and is preferably fairly early in their tulpa-making process to try to astral project and build on their tulpa while they do so and report the total number of hours it takes before their tulpa's first words.

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I can lucid dream, but tulpaforcing in such a dream is harder than you'd think. The details can be really perfect and vivid, but it's much harder to stay still and just perfect everything like you'd want. You can't even sit still and just think as a break in concentration can easily mean ending your dream, getting overly excited leads to a similar end. More experienced people who can avoid waking up from such mistakes may be able to force better in dreams, but they are likely rare. Among some of them, some may have dream guides, a dream person, much like a tulpa, which spends their dreams together with them. Could such a dream guide be made into a tulpa or accessed while awake?

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Back when I was young and impressionable I dabbled in astral projection quite a bit. In fact, I got success about 15-20 times before I came to my senses and scientifically analyzed the whole phenomenon. Of course this was many years ago and doubt I'd be able to easily astral project again. However, I am only 2.5 hours into the creation process, and my love for science is tempting me to try it for the sake of experimentation. My only problem is that the only way I've successfully astral projected was via sleep paralysis, and due to personal reasons, I'd prefer to never enter sleep paralysis willingly again.

 

I'll consider going at it because I almost perfectly fit the description of what you need, but I'm not sure yet. If I decide to try it out, I'll report my results. My hypothesis is that it shouldn't have much affect, or that it might even be more difficult to tulpaforce than while awake. Ignoring the pseudo-scientific spiritual bullshit surrounding astral projection, I've come to think of it as an advanced form of lucid dreaming. The main differences I've found is that everything is much more tangible while astral projecting than with lucid dreaming, and other than the very creepy vibe, and the slightly off physics, it's almost indistinguishable from real life. However, it's much harder to concentrate on anything while astral projecting, and the constant bad gut feeling would most likely make it difficult to tulpaforce.

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My only problem is that the only way I've successfully astral projected was via sleep paralysis, and due to personal reasons, I'd prefer to never enter sleep paralysis willingly again.

 

You don't have to go into any detail since you said it's personal, but was it a bad experience with hallucinations that caused you to shy away from sleep paralysis? I know it can be pretty intense, and even if you know what's going on and know about sleep paralysis and that the experiences aren't real, that doesn't always help emotionally at the time it's happening.

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Well, Lucid, feel free to elaborate on your techniques so the rest of us can do it for science (or fun (or nightmares)) as well.

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You don't have to go into any detail since you said it's personal, but was it a bad experience with hallucinations that caused you to shy away from sleep paralysis? I know it can be pretty intense, and even if you know what's going on and know about sleep paralysis and that the experiences aren't real, that doesn't always help emotionally at the time it's happening.

 

Although it makes sense, it's not the hallucinations. To be perfectly honest I've always found scary hallucinations rather enjoyable, which is why I experimented with DPH so much back in the day. I've subconsciously associated sleep paralysis with some bad memories though. The last 2-3 times I tried sleep paralysis I had some nasty flashbacks which made me panic, which only made it worse.

 

 

Well, Lucid, feel free to elaborate on your techniques so the rest of us can do it for science (or fun (or nightmares)) as well.

 

Fair enough. As I said, I haven't done this in years so I might be a bit rusty, but I'll explain it the best I can.

 

So the first thing you want to do is enter sleep paralysis. If you don't already know how, you'll need to (preferably) lay on your back with your arms at your side in as comfortable a position as you can get. You'll also need to be significantly tired for this to work. Now just maintain that position for anywhere from 15-30 minutes without moving, swallowing, or anything but blinking. Eventually you'll start to feel an urge to move your legs, an itch, or some other kind of distracting stimuli. This is just your body checking to see if you're asleep, and if you move at all you'll have to start over. In my experience once the stimuli subsides, you'll feel a heavy weight on your chest, and begin to feel a bit numb. This is good. Once the weight is lifted you've successfully entered sleep paralysis. One important note: stay as calm as you possibly can. If you feel panicked at all you'll end up hallucinating horrible things.

 

Now that you're in sleep paralysis there's a few different things you can do to astral project. One method is to pretend there is an imaginary ladder in front of you, and to imagine yourself climbing it. Now when I say imagine I don't mean entirely in your head, but really try to see the ladder in front of you and physically try to climb it (since you're paralyzed you won't actually be moving at all). You can also close your eyes and try to imagine the room you're in the best you can, and imagine getting up and walking around the room, feeling everything. The issue I've found with this method is that I almost always ended up lucid dreaming -which is great, but not what we're trying to do.

 

The method I've always fancied was a mixture of the previous two. While in sleep paralysis you'll want to try to sit upright in your bed. You will want to physically try to sit upright, while imagining yourself successfully sitting upright. I didn't get any results after trying it a few times, but when you get it you'll feel a very strange feeling in your gut instead of just trying to sit up, you'll actually get up. At first I thought I just got out of sleep paralysis, but then I looked back where I was laying and saw my body from a 3rd person perspective. At this point most beginners become too excited and end up waking up, and I was no exception the first two times. If you can suppress your excitement, you've successfully astral projected. You can now float around and masturbate your astral seed onto your dog's face, or do whatever you want. In this case, you can now start tulpaforcing in your normal tulpaforcing spot in the astral realm. It'll be really difficult to keep track of time since there's literally no perception of time while astral projecting, so I suppose you shouldn't waste time trying to get your tulpaforcing time perfect.

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Although it makes sense, it's not the hallucinations. To be perfectly honest I've always found scary hallucinations rather enjoyable, which is why I experimented with DPH so much back in the day. I've subconsciously associated sleep paralysis with some bad memories though. The last 2-3 times I tried sleep paralysis I had some nasty flashbacks which made me panic, which only made it worse.

 

 

 

Fair enough. As I said, I haven't done this in years so I might be a bit rusty, but I'll explain it the best I can.

 

So the first thing you want to do is enter sleep paralysis. If you don't already know how, you'll need to (preferably) lay on your back with your arms at your side in as comfortable a position as you can get. You'll also need to be significantly tired for this to work. Now just maintain that position for anywhere from 15-30 minutes without moving, swallowing, or anything but blinking. Eventually you'll start to feel an urge to move your legs, an itch, or some other kind of distracting stimuli. This is just your body checking to see if you're asleep, and if you move at all you'll have to start over. In my experience once the stimuli subsides, you'll feel a heavy weight on your chest, and begin to feel a bit numb. This is good. Once the weight is lifted you've successfully entered sleep paralysis. One important note: stay as calm as you possibly can. If you feel panicked at all you'll end up hallucinating horrible things.

 

Now that you're in sleep paralysis there's a few different things you can do to astral project. One method is to pretend there is an imaginary ladder in front of you, and to imagine yourself climbing it. Now when I say imagine I don't mean entirely in your head, but really try to see the ladder in front of you and physically try to climb it (since you're paralyzed you won't actually be moving at all). You can also close your eyes and try to imagine the room you're in the best you can, and imagine getting up and walking around the room, feeling everything. The issue I've found with this method is that I almost always ended up lucid dreaming -which is great, but not what we're trying to do.

 

The method I've always fancied was a mixture of the previous two. While in sleep paralysis you'll want to try to sit upright in your bed. You will want to physically try to sit upright, while imagining yourself successfully sitting upright. I didn't get any results after trying it a few times, but when you get it you'll feel a very strange feeling in your gut instead of just trying to sit up, you'll actually get up. At first I thought I just got out of sleep paralysis, but then I looked back where I was laying and saw my body from a 3rd person perspective. At this point most beginners become too excited and end up waking up, and I was no exception the first two times. If you can suppress your excitement, you've successfully astral projected. You can now float around and masturbate your astral seed onto your dog's face, or do whatever you want. In this case, you can now start tulpaforcing in your normal tulpaforcing spot in the astral realm. It'll be really difficult to keep track of time since there's literally no perception of time while astral projecting, so I suppose you shouldn't waste time trying to get your tulpaforcing time perfect.

 

How do you prevent yourself from waking up? I found that in lucid dreams, if I don't always focus on something, it's very easy to just slip back into regular sleep or wake up.

 

Do you keep your eyes open during sleep paralysis? I tend to close them.

Not that I understand what the difference between Lucid Dreaming and "Astral Projection" is, besides that AP is linked with unconfirmed religious beliefs that it's not a dream, but some "other" world outside of your mind.

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I think AP is supposed to be like a very realistic dream taking place in the real world, with some changes to how physics works. Think of it as an intentional OOBE.

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I think AP is supposed to be like a very realistic dream taking place in the real world, with some changes to how physics works. Think of it as an intentional OOBE.

 

I've had those on many occasions. I can change the level of (sur)realism in my lucid dreams by thinking a certain thought/phrase, and then I can just change the location to some place in the real world. Seems like it would have the same effect.

 

It doesn't change the fact that if I stop doing something in a lucid dream, I revert back to regular sleep/black out and then wake up. I've attempted forcing in a lucid dream before, as an experiment, and the result has always been the same: the moment I can't think of what I want to do next, I end up waking up, this is also why spinning and other tricks are good at preventing you from waking up.

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How do you prevent yourself from waking up? I found that in lucid dreams, if I don't always focus on something, it's very easy to just slip back into regular sleep or wake up.

 

Do you keep your eyes open during sleep paralysis? I tend to close them.

Not that I understand what the difference between Lucid Dreaming and "Astral Projection" is, besides that AP is linked with unconfirmed religious beliefs that it's not a dream, but some "other" world outside of your mind.

 

With lucid dreams the absolute best way to stay asleep is to spin around whenever you feel like you're waking up. And I've never had an issue with staying asleep during astral projection, nor have I heard of any techniques for staying in one.

 

And I keep my eyes closed in sleep paralysis mainly out of habit, because it prevents any unwanted visual hallucinations.

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