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I've noticed that accusations of roleplaying occur far too frequently within the tulpa community. This is not okay.

It's understandable that you may be skeptical of some people's stories, and that's okay. It's natural to feel doubtful or skeptical of some things other people may say. However, it's not okay to call people out on it.

What do you gain from calling somebody a roleplayer, telling them that their own subjective experiences are false? Putting others down makes you feel better about yourself? More often than not, the one accused of roleplaying is a legitimate tulpamancer who may now feel doubtful of themselves, shunned by the community, etc.

This is something I know firsthand. I've been accused many times of roleplaying or just doing what I do for the attention. Normally, insults like this don't bother me too much because I know they're not true, but sometimes the accusations do start to get to me.

I struggle a lot with doubt sometimes. What if I really am making this all up, like some people say I am? What if everything that happens with my tulpae is only the result of my overactive imagination? I question everything related to my tulpae at times, and everything they say or do. People tell me my stories are crazy and ridiculous, and they accuse me of roleplaying; what if they're right and I just don't know it? Even the rule "if you're not sure, it's your tulpa" is hard to believe at times. The harsh accusations of others honestly contribute a lot to these feelings of doubt.

In addition, I've become reluctant sometimes to post updates. I used to love sharing things that happened with me and my tulpae. Nowadays, I'm more reluctant to. I often leave out details or even refrain from posting things entirely because I'm afraid of what people will say. It's gotten to the point where I've gone on a hiatus again from tumblr and the IRC just so I can get away from those kinds of people until things have settled down again. Again, it's because of those who call me a "roleplayer", "attention whore", etc. that I'm retreating from the community.

So, please, don't call people out on roleplaying. Most of the time, this so-called "roleplayer" is not a roleplayer, but a legitimate tulpamancer, and I know from firsthand experience the kinds of real problems that these sorts of accusations can cause.

Even if that person is actually a roleplayer, then so what? Does it really matter? They're not hurting anybody, so let them be. You don't even have any way of proving that they are making it all up, anyway.

It's okay to be skeptical of what others claim. That's understandable. Just, please, keep quiet about it and show them some respect. Even I've had my doubts about some people, but I have never once accused anybody of being a roleplayer.

You can have your doubts, but please keep them to yourself. There's no reason to call anybody a roleplayer, and doing so only creates problems.


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05-22-2013, 10:47 PM
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This is extremely well said. And wow, you have a lot of tulpas.
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I get skeptical easily, due to my status as "the ultimate slow forcer."

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There are so many problems with this post, I don't even know where to begin.

(05-22-2013, 10:47 PM)fennecgirl Wrote: What do you gain from calling somebody a roleplayer, telling them that their own subjective experiences are false? Putting others down makes you feel better about yourself? More often than not, the one accused of roleplaying is a legitimate tulpamancer who may now feel doubtful of themselves, shunned by the community, etc.
Only the extremely immature and pathetic accuse others of roleplaying for their own personal satisfaction.
You need to ask yourself "why would people even care whether someone was making up their stories, or not?".
It's because roleplayers and the like hurt this community's credibility as a whole. It's no wonder that the already credible members of these forums never make any outrageous claims. Those claims are exclusive to those who seem to have built their reputation here from the ground up, off of similar claims. I have never once found myself surprised because of what member was making a ridiculous, roleplaying-like comment. It's always the people that I already suspect.
The reason I have ever accused someone of being a roleplayer, is because they are making us look ridiculous. If someone stumbles across these forums for the first time, and a roleplayer is the first thing they see, they will likely look no further, as this phenomenon is already hard enough to believe. Either that, or someone else who enjoys roleplaying will see this, and join it all. I've seen it happen.
And if they're not doing anything to make us look ridiculous, then they wouldn't stand out, anyway.
Frankly, even if someone isn't roleplaying, this whole thing should be taken seriously. Far more than it is.
One of the main reason for this site's creation was for serious research, and advancement in the knowledge of this phenomenon. Not to to talk about what kawaii things your tulpa did today.
I really don't give a shit if you're roleplaying or not, if you're not doing any harm.

(05-22-2013, 10:47 PM)fennecgirl Wrote: This is something I know firsthand. I've been accused many times of roleplaying or just doing what I do for the attention. Normally, insults like this don't bother me too much because I know they're not true, but sometimes the accusations do start to get to me.

I struggle a lot with doubt sometimes. What if I really am making this all up, like some people say I am? What if everything that happens with my tulpae is only the result of my overactive imagination? I question everything related to my tulpae at times, and everything they say or do. People tell me my stories are crazy and ridiculous, and they accuse me of roleplaying; what if they're right and I just don't know it? Even the rule "if you're not sure, it's your tulpa" is hard to believe at times. The harsh accusations of others honestly contribute a lot to these feelings of doubt.
It's completely ridiculous to begin to doubt yourself because of what someone else says about, as you said, your own "subjective experience". No one knows better than yourself whether or not you're making this up.
Besides, no one "accidentally" roleplays, in the sense that I am referring to. They make the conscious effort to make this outrageous claim. If they didn't make the conscious effort, and think that what happened, truly happened, then they're not roleplaying, and therefore have no reason to doubt themselves.
And in the end, if you're sick of people complaining about you roleplaying, but you know you're not, maybe tone it down with the stupid shit you (not referring to you, personally) say. There's obviously a reason people think you're a roleplayer, when you're not. Maybe just don't tell people everything that happens.
You really can't complain about being bullied in that sense, when you know damn well that if you say something ridiculous, you'll be called out for it. It's unfortunate that you can't say whatever you want to, yes, but you're still asking for it because you know well of the repercussions of those actions.

Also, as for the "if you're not sure, it's your tulpa" thing... Anyone who truly believes that if you're not sure, it was, without a doubt, your tulpa, is stupid. The only reason for that saying, is so that you believe that it is your tulpa, for the sake of believing. Who gives a shit if it was your tulpa or not. The point is if you believe in them, and the fact that they can talk, and that you can hear them, then you will be able to, soon enough.
Not every time you're not sure, is it them. That's crazy.

(05-22-2013, 10:47 PM)fennecgirl Wrote: So, please, don't call people out on roleplaying. Most of the time, this so-called "roleplayer" is not a roleplayer, but a legitimate tulpamancer, and I know from firsthand experience the kinds of real problems that these sorts of accusations can cause.
That's pretty ridiculous to say. You can't possibly know whether or not anyone but yourself is roleplaying. There is literally no way.

(05-22-2013, 10:47 PM)fennecgirl Wrote: Even if that person is actually a roleplayer, then so what? Does it really matter? They're not hurting anybody, so let them be. You don't even have any way of proving that they are making it all up, anyway.
Like I said, it does do harm. More than just making us look bad, roleplayers give non-roleplayers incorrect ideas of what should happen when making a tulpa. When you have dozens of roleplayers around, claiming day-one vocality, and switching, and what have you, it discourages others who are making an honest attempt.
Once again, I've seen it happen.

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Or maybe you're really just an elaborately disguised role-player trying to throw us off your trail?

No, I'm just kidding. Seriously though, very well put. There really isn't anything beneficial from calling some one out on that kind of stuff. It doesn't benefit the community by doing so, it doesn't benefit yourself, and is sure as hell doesn't benefit the accused.

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05-23-2013, 01:18 AM
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I agree fennecgirl, but only to a degree.

100% do I agree the term "role play" should be removed from the tulpamancer vocabulary as a term used on the site because of how in some cases roleplaying can be coined as useful. At the same time, there are those who just want attention, and they need to be delt with... but they don't need to be called out on it. If they want to keep roleplaying, then power to them, but they can also be ignored. Something like that, I'd imagine, is only fun for a period of time... and eventually, said fake roleplayers will move on and go troll some other site. And their so called "progress" reports will fade into the background, along with whatever shitposting they may or maynot have done.

As long as we don't encourage them by mentioning them, or hell ignore the people who call others roleplayers, then eventually both types of individuals will leave the site. It'll always be a problem, and I believe the problem exists, but it's not a problem that really needs addressing. More of a problem that solves itself if people stop interfering.

If you're a true host, you don't let some other fuck tell you "oh, your tulpa's fake". Granted, that's discouraging, but in the end, only you know your tulpa is there. You know you exist. So on and so forth. As some wise fuck must have said, sticks and stones may break my bones, but names only hurt me if I let them. Same goes for roleplaying. Don't be fucking afraid to post what happened with you and your tulpa. Don't even pay the ones who call you a roleplayer any mind when you do nuts stuff (because lets be honest. In a wonderland where you and your tulpa make the rules, can you really put any limits on what can happen?). If you want to share, SHARE. Besides, you shouldn't be sharing just to increase your own popularity, but just to add information and data to the pile. If someone doesn't believe it, let them exercise their will to believe what they want.

So for the tl;dr:
> Don't Bother Calling People Roleplayers, It's Pointless
> Ignore People who disregard the first point.
> Following Point 1 and 2 will eventually lead to the problem solving itself...
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I'm gonna have to agree with Kiahdaj on this one. If you hear the accusation of "roleplayer" coming from anyone, it won't be from anyone who matters. A lot of us have come to a sort of understanding with the nature of the community. It always helps to have a level of skepticism, but of course, because of the way tulpa work, nothing can be accomplished without believing. Granted, the 'believing" aspect depends more on the individual rather than the community, seeing as how you're the only one who can control your beliefs, and your beliefs should be the only thing that matter when making a tulpa.

Wow, where did the point go. I think what I was trying to get at is that it shouldn't matter if someone doesn't believe you, and the loudest ones shouldn't be minded, anyway.

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Here is the link to the post that sparked this. Please, folks please, tell me where I call Fennec a roleplayer.
http://community.tulpa.info/thread-fenne...2#pid72182


Fennec, I am calling you an attention seeker. This entire thread reinforces this idea. I have also searched through your progress report under the terms "roleplay" and "role player" and there are no results outside of Fennec's own posts. Unless you have deleted them, I don't understand why you're suddenly saying that you're being accused of being a roleplayer. If it's over tumblr then well, that's irrelevant to this site.

You're being accused of being an attention seeker, put kindly, because your entire thread revolves around your tulpa Link dying and reviving. Nearly 300 posts of it. I don't care whether this is actually happening or not, I care about the fact that you only talk about 1 when you have 13 other tulpas. And by the way, being called an attention seeker doesn't cause doubt. It causes you to rethink your posts. Honestly now, everyone gets slapped in the face by the internet from time to time. Take it as critique to improve your character and not something to have your friends back you on only to turn a blind eye to the post.

(05-23-2013, 02:02 AM)Moon Shooter Wrote: are those who just want attention, and they need to be delt with... but they don't need to be called out on it. If they want to keep roleplaying, then power to them, but they can also be ignored. Something like that, I'd imagine, is only fun for a period of time... and eventually, said fake roleplayers will move on and go troll some other site. And their so called "progress" reports will fade into the background, along with whatever shitposting they may or maynot have done.

...and when users feed their egos and befriend them in IRC they'll be ignored. Right? Frankly it isn't hard to fake a tulpa, much less anything else over the internet.

This website way back when was built on the idea of proving tulpas. If a handful of ridiculous members are shooed out in the name of credibility it helps in the long run. And by ridiculous, I mean things like impregnating horses, a tulpa forcing sex upon the host, and other claims that simply don't meet any sort of social norm. How can the site be expected to be taken seriously when things like this happen?

And I agree for the most part about roleplaying being a detrimental term. I don't think roleplaying is much of a problem here, to be honest. I think bouts of immaturity and imagination are what cause the accusations - and if users were to realize that - the term would rarely, if ever, show up.


Retort Fennec. You've blown this out of proportion. Justify your claims.
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(05-23-2013, 03:36 AM)Derp Wrote: Here is the link to the post that sparked this. Please, folks please, tell me where I call Fennec a roleplayer.
http://community.tulpa.info/thread-fenne...2#pid72182

Fennec, I am calling you an attention seeker. This entire thread reinforces this idea. I have also searched through your progress report under the terms "roleplay" and "role player" and there are no results outside of Fennec's own posts. Unless you have deleted them, I don't understand why you're suddenly saying that you're being accused of being a roleplayer. If it's over tumblr then well, that's irrelevant to this site.

You're being accused of being an attention seeker, put kindly, because your entire thread revolves around your tulpa Link dying and reviving. Nearly 300 posts of it. I don't care whether this is actually happening or not, I care about the fact that you only talk about 1 when you have 13 other tulpas. And by the way, being called an attention seeker doesn't cause doubt. It causes you to rethink your posts. Honestly now, everyone gets slapped in the face by the internet from time to time. Take it as critique to improve your character and not something to have your friends back you on only to turn a blind eye to the post.


...and when users feed their egos and befriend them in IRC they'll be ignored. Right? Frankly it isn't hard to fake a tulpa, much less anything else over the internet.

This website way back when was built on the idea of proving tulpas. If a handful of ridiculous members are shooed out in the name of credibility it helps in the long run. And by ridiculous, I mean things like impregnating horses, a tulpa forcing sex upon the host, and other claims that simply don't meet any sort of social norm. How can the site be expected to be taken seriously when things like this happen?

And I agree for the most part about roleplaying being a detrimental term. I don't think roleplaying is much of a problem here, to be honest. I think bouts of immaturity and imagination are what cause the accusations - and if users were to realize that - the term would rarely, if ever, show up.


Retort Fennec. You've blown this out of proportion. Justify your claims.

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Anyway, I gotta agree with you on the fact shooing does help... but the line is more or less blurred upon who you shoo. Attention seekers will only continue to seek attention if they still have a place to gain attention from. It's just best to ignore both types of people... because there will always be more to come, and they're just going to end up leaving anyway. Befriend them, but at the same time don't feed into what they're trying to gain attention from.

For example, I believe Link is just as real as any other tulpa, however with his problems, it's best to just leave him to his issues and allow fennec to solve them. If she does, she does. If she doesn't, she doesn't. Long since have I quit asking about the condition of Link. As much as I care about him, the issue is between fennec and Link. Fennec should give attention to her other tulpalamas, but at the same time give attention to Link. Not... exactly sure why fennecgirl has so many tulpalamas when such an issue persists, but that's another issue altogether. I suppose the point I'm making is that she is an example of an individual problem the rest of the community should... I don't want to say ignore, but rather selectively listen to. Only fennecgirl can solve this problem, and us commenting on said sob story isn't helping anything... if at all, making it worse.

I don't know the dealio between you and fennec exactly, but she does hold a point... and so do you.

So I'll give you both some of my excess this.
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(05-23-2013, 03:36 AM)Derp Wrote: Here is the link to the post that sparked this. Please, folks please, tell me where I call Fennec a roleplayer.
http://community.tulpa.info/thread-fenne...2#pid72182

Seriously?
That's the post that started this?
I just read that earlier today, and found myself agreeing with every last thing you said.

As well as everything you said in this thread.


Fennec...
Seriously?
I, like many others here don't give a damn if you're a roleplayer or not.
But you cannot deny the fact that you are (in polite terms) an attention seeker.

What happened between you and Link is a serious thing.
Not something that should be discussed on a public IRC channel (dozens of times, I might add) inhabited largely by people you don't even know.
Yeah, you knew some of the people there, but half of them are complete strangers.
Obviously a loved one's depression, and suicidal tendencies are worthy of public display now, huh?
To me, that shows not concern, but complete disrespect for Link.
That is not information that everyone needs to know.
I don't even know who you are, but I know well of your problems, because you frankly wouldn't stop talking about it. Then the word spread, and now dozens and dozens of complete strangers know of matters that should have been kept exclusively between you, and very close friends.
Everyone who stumbles across your PR does not need to know of this most private of matters.
And like Derp said; try talking about your other tulpas for a change.
Link was depressed, huh?
Well if I was one of your other tulpas, who you never felt the need to talk about, I'd be depressed along with him.

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