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Requesting An Analysis of My Potentially Unhealthy Relationship With My Tulpas
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Requesting An Analysis of My Potentially Unhealthy Relationship With My Tulpas

I'm not entirely sure if this query fits in this subforum, so apologies if it doesn't. This is a psychological case study, with the subject being myself.

So yeah, what I'm about to describe is a little uncomfortable for me to think about. Cognitive dissonance inducing, if you will. A warning in advance, this post is full of angst, self-justification and self-pity. For those of you who are willing, I'm requesting an analysis of everything I describe in my post. I'm not hoping for a PhD level answer (god knows I wouldn't be able to understand it anyway), but I hope you'll be able to read through this without cringing too much or judging me too hard and give me an objective, rational one. And I understand if you decide to ignore my post because of its sheer facepalm-inducing inanity, but I’d really appreciate a chance. I'm sincerely just trying to make sense of this.

Back during the early days of my tulpamancy, my first two tulpas were, compared to today, gratification tools. I categorized them in every possible way, machinating everything from their music tastes to their behaviour based on generalizations. Everything they did was tied into their MBTI type, and I made sure that all of them were individual to an excessive degree. It was like they were collectibles. None of them were to have the same hair colour, eye colour, MBTI type, personality, music taste etc., and once a single archetype was set for them (e.g. "melancholic and depressed, but hopeful", "eccentric, enthusiastic"), they didn’t grow beyond that for a long time. I made up ways for them to symbolize things in hypothetical psychology frameworks that I experimented with. Clarissa was my thought center, Lily was my feelings center, my next tulpa was going to be my instincts center etc. In retrospect, they didn't seem very much like real people.

Also, I made a rather rigid schedule for spending time with them. Back when it was only Clarissa and Lily, I didn’t have much trouble visualizing both of them at once. Now that the number has increased two and a half times, I spend one day, give or take a few hours, with each tulpa at a time. Every five days, I spent time with each tulpa. I do occasionally invite a few of the others over, but it’s usually draining to maintain a conversation of six participants in my head. Also, until last week, the order was rigid. I would see them in the order that they were created, no exceptions. Now, it’s more of a, “Hey guys, who’s willing to handle me for today?” Even so, this arrangement makes me worry if my attitude towards tulpamancy is too mechanical.

Now, I could chalk a lot of this up to over-parroting at the early stages of tulpamancy, but I feel like it's symptomatic of something a lot more egomaniacal in me. You see, I also have... er... sexual intercourse with my tulpas. All five of them. All five of my tulpas are reasonably attractive, young females who I have sexual relations with. WAIT WAIT, DON’T GET ME WRONG. I don’t mean to imply that I view them as sex toys. I don’t. I never have. I have fulfilling conversations with every one of them. We debate, we banter and we joke all the time. We sleep together without sleeping together. We share hobbies and we've had fights. We have a healthy friendship, alongside whatever semblance of a romantic relationship we have. What’s more, I try to keep sexual attractiveness out of my choice when picking their appearance. I’m careful to pick a model for them based on their aura, personality, essence- whatever you call it. I avoid nude models, pornstars and the like. Stock photos are my go-to, but I have used models grudgingly in the past. I have tried to avoid the halo effect as much as I could, because I want my tulpas to feel at home in their bodies, not for me to drool over them. Of course, all of this could easily be me overcompensating to avoid my guilt. The sex part does, however, occur quite regularly. As an extension of the description of my old mindset, I'd like to shamefully mention that I used to feel as though sex had to be a daily thing. As if there was something wrong with spending a day just hanging out platonically. I wonder, is it related to me being a single, virgin teenager with the average teenage libido? Probably.

Although, I really wonder how insecure and self-centered one would have to be for their subconscious to make all five of their tulpas feel attracted to them romantically.

That's pretty much it. I'll somewhat nervously be looking forward to any analyses that are posted here. So... I suppose I'll try to sum up my dread with one question. Am I a megalomaniac? I don’t feel as though I am, but the evidence seems to say otherwise. I seem to have an obsession with control. Are there any tidbits of psychological theory that come to mind? The dark triad is something I've heard of but only superficially researched. Could that be a decent place to start? Thanks in advance.

System Members: NaVi (Host), Clarissa, Lily, Aoi & Haru, As of Yet Unnamed aka "U"
Familiars: Northern Goshawk, Raven, Genet, Clouded Leopard, Siberian Husky Pup, Chimpanzee
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12-14-2017, 04:30 PM
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RE: Requesting An Analysis of My Potentially Unhealthy Relationship With My Tulpas

There's nothing wrong with using symbolism in the creation process, nor is there anything wrong with lewding your tulpas (assuming they're OK with it). Don't worry about feeling the need to have sex with them everyday, because speaking from experience, once you get into your mid-twenties your libido will probably drop off and there will be 2 or 3 days in a row where you don't feel like doing anything sexual with them (and by proxy they will become more ambivalent about having sex all the time too). I do think you've been too rigid with forcing/interacting with them but it sounds like you're taking steps towards being more spontaneous, which is a good thing. I'd say keep working at that, try to get to a point where you can just casually interact with all of them every day instead of only focusing on one on a given day.

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12-14-2017, 05:10 PM
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RE: Requesting An Analysis of My Potentially Unhealthy Relationship With My Tulpas

That was not as technical as I thought an answer would be, but it might've been more reassuring than I'd expected. Phew.

Really appreciate it, glitchthe3rd!

System Members: NaVi (Host), Clarissa, Lily, Aoi & Haru, As of Yet Unnamed aka "U"
Familiars: Northern Goshawk, Raven, Genet, Clouded Leopard, Siberian Husky Pup, Chimpanzee
12-15-2017, 12:46 PM
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Well, have you asked them what they think about you having intercourse with them so often? Do they all enjoy it? This is not something we can answer for you, you should ask them that yourself.
12-16-2017, 08:59 AM
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RE: Requesting An Analysis of My Potentially Unhealthy Relationship With My Tulpas

I don't think it makes much sense to beat yourself up over psychological experiments done during the early community. We know a lot more about tulpas now than we did then.

As far as megalomania is concerned, the answer is simple. Learn possession and switching. Nothing like spending a day in the other person's shoes, literally, to start to realise the fundamental realities of who you are and who they are.

As far as sex is concerned, stop worrying. We live in a modern world.

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12-16-2017, 08:21 PM
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RE: Requesting An Analysis of My Potentially Unhealthy Relationship With My Tulpas

+Serval Obviously, I'd like to think I'm not a rapist, haha. Consent, receive. That's the rule. Of course, there's the whole debate about how much my wants overlap with the tulpas' desires simply because we operate on the same neural circuitry, but in terms of direct consent, I have been rejected in the past, and I have been not-rejected in the past.

+tulpa001 Well, it's more about my lingering guilt about objectifying them. Obviously, I'm hardly concerned about the societal implications. As you said, 21st century. My worries are 100% about my own psyche. The question, I suppose, is about whether it's okay to want that level of sex when I have a history of control-freak syndrome.

As for the possession and switching thing, I've done it successfully a few times. Hard to maintain, for some reason. Will look into it.

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12-17-2017, 12:39 PM
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RE: Requesting An Analysis of My Potentially Unhealthy Relationship With My Tulpas

(12-14-2017, 05:10 PM)glitchthe3rd Wrote: There's nothing wrong with using symbolism in the creation process, nor is there anything wrong with lewding your tulpas (assuming they're OK with it). Don't worry about feeling the need to have sex with them everyday, because speaking from experience, once you get into your mid-twenties your libido will probably drop off and there will be 2 or 3 days in a row where you don't feel like doing anything sexual with them (and by proxy they will become more ambivalent about having sex all the time too). I do think you've been too rigid with forcing/interacting with them but it sounds like you're taking steps towards being more spontaneous, which is a good thing. I'd say keep working at that, try to get to a point where you can just casually interact with all of them every day instead of only focusing on one on a given day.

Fajro:

we all have sex with other, but consent was always a priority in our system from day one so we never had any issues. we can always refuse to participate if we don't want to. we hope your system develops a healthy attitude towards sex, because it is satisfying to have mutually enjoyable consentual sex. 

we have found that our sexuality is partially hormonaly-based. see, our host is transgender and she started hormone replacement therapy 2 months ago. we lost our sex drives as she did, and are still less sexual than we were on testosterone. my sex drive has always been lower than my host's, but now it's almost completely gone.
03-10-2018, 07:39 AM
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RE: Requesting An Analysis of My Potentially Unhealthy Relationship With My Tulpas

(12-14-2017, 04:30 PM)NaViAlcatraz Wrote: Back during the early days of my tulpamancy, my first two tulpas were, compared to today, gratification tools. I categorized them in every possible way, machinating everything from their music tastes to their behaviour based on generalizations. Everything they did was tied into their MBTI type, and I made sure that all of them were individual to an excessive degree. It was like they were collectibles. None of them were to have the same hair colour, eye colour, MBTI type, personality, music taste etc., and once a single archetype was set for them (e.g. "melancholic and depressed, but hopeful", "eccentric, enthusiastic"), they didn’t grow beyond that for a long time. I made up ways for them to symbolize things in hypothetical psychology frameworks that I experimented with. Clarissa was my thought center, Lily was my feelings center, my next tulpa was going to be my instincts center etc. In retrospect, they didn't seem very much like real people.

Funny thing, makes me think of Cat. She had her own organization thing too, so I understand. She called me her "subconscious" or whatever and she has some other characters who's roles had a similar theme: representing how her brain works. I think it boils down to you're trying to understand who you are, but you have a specific way of organizing everything. As long as you are open to suggestion, then you should be fine. Just ask if they like there personality or not (and if they do like it don't panic! It's probably because they accept who they are). Like others have said, you are getting used to your own system, and being more accepting will get easier the more you do it.

When it comes to sex, Cat tells me that I need her approval/consent (yes, I'm the one who wants sex all the time!) And the same rules apply if she wants to have sex with me.

As for the megalomaniac stuff, no. One who likes to have things ordered a particular way? Yes. One who can change? Of course! Cat's becoming more open minded too, so don't worry about it.

I have my own account! Yay! I'm Cat_ShadowGriffin's Tulpa and I like Hippos!
03-10-2018, 02:24 PM
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