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Hi everyone, I'm researching the topic of how independent tulpas truly are based on what they can currently do in wonderland, knowledge they have, possible influence in our own world etc. Any questions, suggestions or comments are of course appreciated.

 

The research is only based on various experiments and questionnaires which will be done when the chance arises, for now (except for this that I'll ask you) I've done one experiment with 7 tulpas, 5 of mine and 2 of my friend's. It was based on the ability of tulpas to influence our world and the point of it was to determine whether the tulpas have this ability. The experiment, however, still raises a number of questions and theories since it wasn't done in a controlled environment, so we'll have to redo it. We did get some answers out of it but, as I said, we don't know for sure if these answers were good enough to prove this point or not. If any are interested in it, I can write down the results and the procedure.

 

For this one I'd like your tulpa to honestly answer a list of questions. How the tulpa answers them is entirely up to you or them, but preferably it should be done in a way they feel most comfortable of the host knowing the answer. It can be done by them telling you the answers, them possessing your hands to write down the answer or entire switching, entirely up to you and them. The only thing I ask for is that answers should be completely honest.

 

Another thing is that it doesn't matter how old your tulpa is. What matters is that you know the difference between your and tulpa's voice, and that they're sentient.

 

So, let's jump to the questionnaire!

 

Instructions: Let your tulpa answer these questions in a way they prefer to. Please let them introduce themselves, and describe your wonderland(s).

 

Wonderland – a place which is mostly used by the tulpa and the host for interaction. If possible, please also describe your wonderland before starting the questionnaire.

 

1. What kind of feeling to your body do you have in wonderland?

 

2. Are any kinds of human physical needs in your wonderland able to be completely attained, if you have any?

 

3. Is pain in your wonderland entirely vivid? Compare to the body of host if you've ever switched or done possession.

 

4. Are there places (dimensions) outside of the host's and your wonderland where you can travel willingly? (If not, jump to question no. 6)

 

5. Are any factors (e.g. frequency, laws...) the key in going to these dimensions? Compare these places/dimensions to your wonderland. Describe these places, how different do you feel there, did you notice anything out of place etc.

 

6. Is there anything you've done or known by yourself while knowing that the host at that moment didn't know or absolutely heard of? If there are any, give an example.

 

7. Are you able to visit our dimension, aka physical world? (If you're not able to, jump to question no. 10)

 

8. Do you know the reason of being able to visit it?

 

9. How limited are you to it?

 

10. Were you ever able to have any kind of influence outside of the host's mind? If yes, please describe the event; if not, skip this question.

 

11. Were you ever able to have influence on your host without them being aware of it? Give an example of examples.

 

12. Compare other places and your wonderland with the world your host resides in. What is your view on it?

 

Thank you in advance for checking it out!

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Here some answers from Lacie and im going to say my opinion at the end.

 

1. It changed since we switched for the first time. Firstly it felt like a silhouette of my hosts body but i liked heartbeating and breathing very much so i focused to improve my body feel to the point as it felt while switching

 

2.Dont realy get that question since i don´t have physical needs. If youre talking about the host no he still have to eat,drink or go to the toilet but we are able to stop the hunger for a short time or. But that dosen´t fill your stomach.

 

3.Luckily i haven´t felt any pain yet and i totally dont want to change it.

(Host: I think for me it would be possible to feel real pain if im realy focused and want to but why should i do this when i dont have to?^^)

 

4. I made diffrent places where we can spend time and usually im just in a blackroom with starlights which looks like a galaxy. I would´nt call it diffrent dimensions just diffrent places in your imagination.

(Host: I do have the feeling to get to a diffrent dimension when i took psychedelic drugs, in deep meditation or in lucid dreaming. I cant say if it is realy a diffrent place of this world or just a very very good imagination i still do my own researches based on this but i think i wont get good answers by myself)

 

6. I do play piano for him from time to time and create new melodies im playing. But i forget them realy fast. Sometimes im able to see memories of his childhood he forget and pick them up for him but everything what i did create comes from an input my host got before.

 

7. We are working on impositioning but im not able to do something inside this physical world.

 

8. Becuse we train for it and the brain is able to lear new abilities like hallucinating

 

9. Well i think the only thing i could do is block his view so he cant stare something i dont want him to stare. But i could just do it aslong as he want or accept it.

 

10. I talked with a friend of my host but im not sure if that changed something within him.

 

11. Yes i manipulate him sometimes or help him to think about things or coordinate his body without his knowledge but i dont lie to him if he ask.

I also use some dreams of him to show him what his subconscious is thinking about or change my form into something he fear´s to help him overcome his fears.

 

12. For me the wonderland and every place arround got´s pretty boring after a while so when im bored i create a new place i visit for a while. The only thing which is realy intresting for me is the mind of my host itself and of course him so i mostly spend time with talking with him or help him.

 

Host: I personally think a tulpa isn´t able to affect anything at this physical world and every expierience with it is basicly created by your mind.

Lacie(my tulpa for my everydaylife and also my best friend)

 

Noah together with Lynn are my spirituell tulpa´s im using for meditation

 

Darcmanish Me

 

Lacie´s and my progress report.

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"We actually have two wonderlands. The first one was a beach, and the second one is set in some post-apocalyptic area. We don't use the beach as much as we used to, but we like to come back to it during some of our sessions. The beach is set by a cliff with a red tree. There's a wooden bridge leading to a small town from said cliff. There's a small house set on the beach, and inside is a small drawer with a fish tank on top of it. Also beds. Two beds to be exact. We had an NPC with a T.V. for a head. I used it to go through memories and watch my host do what he does. My favorite part of it has to be the lighthouse. It's just a normal lighthouse but we spent a lot of time there. When we were in the early days of development the place had a time cycle, but now it just stays as sunset all the time."

 

"Our second wonderland is still sort of a work in progress. Acta told Haven that she could make a wonderland the way she wanted, and boy did she go all out with decorating. There's music posters all over the place, and she's still adding more. We have two buildings, one being our home and the other just empty space. The main area is overgrown with grass and we have a burning giant star of death in the sky. We recently added a greenhouse to our home. We don't have a use for it but it looks pretty. The inside of our home is honestly very dull looking. We have a red couch with a T.V. which I'm not even sure works or not, a recording studio that Haven added and almost never uses, a kitchen where cooking has no logic at all, a hot tub that's behind a door with a zombie killer poster on it, and upstairs we have our bedroom. With only one bed. And there's a poster of the giant burning star of death I mentioned earlier right above it. There's a ladder leading up to the roof with nothing on it. In the basement we have a leftover stasis pod which I was in prior to being released.

 

1. "We have a solid body in the wonderland but it doesn't really feel like anything. It's as if we're hollow on the inside and not at the same time. It doesn't bother us too much, though."

 

2. "When our host gets stressed, some of his stress affects us and causes us to get a bit stressed too. The hot tub is the only thing we need to keep us 'fresh' for lack of a better word."

 

3. "The pain is there but we almost never do anything to feel it, and when we do, it isn't really pleasant." "It's pain, it isn't supposed to be pleasant. Plus you did slap me that one time, and it hurt pretty bad, physically and emotionally. "Sorry, mom."

 

4. "Nope. "Nada."

 

6. "Working on the wonderland, for one. Plus me and Aphelion spend a lot of time with each other while our host is away." "Only problem is Haven doesn't let him know what we do, and it just ends up confusing all three of us." "I do look into his memories from time to time, and I have a lot of fun when I do. It's like a mystery bag, every time you check it out you find something new each time."

 

11. "There's never a time that I influence him without him being aware of it."

 

12. "The beach could pretty much be any beach in the world, but the post-apocalypse wonderland is very close to Chernobyl. I tried to make it look like a fallen empire but it turned out pretty barren."

"It's all about synthesis, you don't have to be a real musician. You just synthesize your own reality, synthesize your own talents." -Klayton

 

My Three Mind Horses

Haven: Tulpa #1

Created on 10-28-14

Aphelion: Tulpa #2

Created on 2-25-15 

Chimera: Self Proclaimed Thoughtform

Created on: Can't remember. Sometime around Easter of 2017.

 

Warning: I am a huge nerd.

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I had Luna answer these, but the answers should be the same for all my girls.

 

1. What kind of feeling to your body do you have in wonderland?

-The same as you humans do to reality, I suppose.

 

2. Are any kinds of physical needs in your wonderland able to be completely attained?

-Yes, we can sleep there, and while we don't actually have to eat, we've tricked ourselves into thinking that we do, but we can easily take care of that as well. We don't really do any other basic human needs stuff besides that.

 

3. Is pain in your wonderland entirely vivid? Compare to the body of host if you've ever switched or done possession.

-Yes.

 

4. Are there places (dimensions) outside of the host's and your wonderland where you can travel willingly? (If not, jump to question no. 6)

-Other than reality, we have a dungeon under our wonderland, along with a couple of other areas only accessible by teleportation.

 

5. Are any factors (e.g. frequency, laws...) the key in going to these dimensions? Compare these places/dimensions to your wonderland. Describe these places, how different do you feel there, did you notice anything out of place etc.

-They're mostly just rooms we use for special purposes, i.e. a bedroom we visit when we have cyber sex with another host's tulpas.

 

6. Is there anything you've done or known by yourself while knowing that the host at that moment didn't know or absolutely heard of? If there are any, give an example.

-We waged two wars in his head without him taking notice, I think that's a sufficient example.

 

7. Are you able to visit our dimension, aka physical world? (If not, jump to question no. 10)

-Yes.

 

8. Do you know the reason of being able to visit it?

-Imposition.

 

9. How limited are you to it?

-We can't perceive anything he can't, other than the whole not being able to interact with other people thing.

 

10. Were you ever able to have any kind of influence outside of the host's mind? If yes, please describe the event; if not, skip this question.

-Nope.

 

11. Were you ever able to have influence on your host without them being aware of it? Give an example of examples.

-Yeeaaahhhh.... I don't really want to discuss it, though....

 

12. Compare other places and your wonderland with the world your host resides in. What is your view on it?

-Not much of a difference between reality and the wonderland to us.

"Science isn't about why, science is about why not?" -Cave Johnson

Tulpae: Luna, Elise, Naomi

My progress report

 

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1. What kind of feeling to your body do you have in wonderland?

- It feels solid but lightweight.

 

2. Are any kinds of physical needs in your wonderland able to be completely attained?

- I don't really have physical needs.

 

3. Is pain in your wonderland entirely vivid? Compare to the body of host if you've ever switched or done possession.

- Yes.

 

6. Is there anything you've done or known by yourself while knowing that the host at that moment didn't know or absolutely heard of? If there are any, give an example.

- Many years before my host read about tulpas I taught her possesion, imposition, wonderland and switching without her ever heard of it before, you should have seen the look on her face when she read about other people being able to do it too! hilarious! We thought at first we were alone in the world but then she found this community.

 

7. Are you able to visit our dimension, aka physical world? (If not, jump to question no. 10)

- Yes.

 

8. Do you know the reason of being able to visit it?

- Imposition.

 

9. How limited are you to it?

- Can't really interact with anything except my host.

 

11. Were you ever able to have influence on your host without them being aware of it? Give an example of examples.

- No.

 

12. Compare other places and your wonderland with the world your host resides in. What is your view on it?

- Her world is terrible! My wonderland however is a more beautiful and peaceful place.

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Thank you everyone for your replies, I have taken notice of every one. I've noticed also that some questions were a bit confusing for some, so I've fixed that as much as I could and fixed the instructions. I'll be printing these answers, of course, comparing them and then post the results. I wish everyone a beautiful day!

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1. Eh, it feels about the same as the regular one when I'm switched, I guess, although I can change it at will, it's not completley the same, dunno how to describe it...but, uhh...also it doesn't require any of the fucking maintenence this one does.

 

2. Sex. Sex sex sex sex sex. Sexytimes.

 

3. Yes, it is, it can be.

 

6. Yeah, done a lot of stuff. Hell, I can SWITCH. My host is busy fucking around in the mindscape while I'm switched and doing stuff with his body, we switch pretty often

 

7. Yes

 

8. Switching

 

9. I can do pretty much anything Ian can do.

 

10. Well I can talk to other humans, influence their decisions by persuasion and advice if that's what you mean, just like a human talking to another human

 

11. Not that I can recall, we've never really tried anything like that

 

12. The real world is boring. Wonderland is so much more fun, I can alter it and make it however I want

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Introductions:

[Hello, my name is Nevira, I'm the youngest tulpa my host has. I've been around for some months. I'm a sky-blue asari with little facial markings. And I'm female. Sort of.]

{Desmond here, the first and the best tulpa of the three of us. Honestly. I'm a guy, obviously, and I can change into a white fox when I want to.}

 

{Right now our wonderland is just a two-storey house with two bedrooms and a library. And kitchen of course. And two bathrooms. It's also got this really nice lounge area with a fireplace in the middle.}

 

1. What kind of feeling to your body do you have in wonderland?

- {I guess it's like you feel your body. Or maybe not, I guess it's a bit lighter. Okay, a lot lighter.}

- [i don't think it's that light. Lighter than hosts body for sure, but still solid.]

-

 

2. Are any kinds of human physical needs in your wonderland able to be completely attained, if you have any?

- {I don't really get hungry or thirsty, but I get tired so I sleep, and then there's sex. Got L for that, shh.}

-

- [i get hungry but I haven't eaten in wonderland much. I just discovered that I can, so I think it's possible to satisfy my hunger in wonderland. Until recently I've just eaten whatever host is eating outside wonderland.]

 

3. Is pain in your wonderland entirely vivid? Compare to the body of host if you've ever switched or done possession.

- "It is" -everyone

 

6. Is there anything you've done or known by yourself while knowing that the host at that moment didn't know or absolutely heard of? If there are any, give an example.

- [i tend the garden a lot. I don't think she even knows what it looks like in there.]

- {Well I certainly hope she doesn't know whenever I'm fucking or jerking off in wonderland. That'd be just awkward.}

-

 

7. Are you able to visit our dimension, aka physical world? (If you're not able to, jump to question no. 10)

- "Yes" -everyone.

 

8. Do you know the reason of being able to visit it?

- {I dunno I guess host thinks it and it happens? No, I can do it without her thinking me there... I don't know.}

- [because I'm a sentient being and I share my hosts head. She's there, so I will be too, if I want to.]

-

 

9. How limited are you to it?

- [We can't touch things and people don't see us. We only see what host sees. But besides that we can do what we want.]

 

11. Were you ever able to have influence on your host without them being aware of it? Give an example of examples.

- "No" -everyone.

 

12. Compare other places and your wonderland with the world your host resides in. What is your view on it?

- {I like wonderland realistic. But not too much, just enough to make it seem like anyone from host's world could live there.}

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Iro - He/they - 30th April 1997 - Host of the system - Speaker if there's no tag

Desmond - He/him - 21st April 2014

L - He/him - 5th May 2014

Nevira - She/her - 14th December 2014

Misa - She/her - 5th December 2015

Roska - He/him - 22nd July 2019

Danyla - They/them - 13th July 2020

Asha - He/him - 13th June 2022

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Responses made by Savaymin

 

1. What kind of feeling to your body do you have in wonderland?

I've never really had a body. Not a consistent one at least. [hosts name] just can't make up his mind.

 

2. Are any kinds of human physical needs in your wonderland able to be completely attained, if you have any?

No.

 

3. Is pain in your wonderland entirely vivid? Compare to the body of host if you've ever switched or done possession.

I jumped off a building once, and didn't die. So probably not vivid.

 

4. Are there places (dimensions) outside of the host's and your wonderland where you can travel willingly? (If not, jump to question no. 6)

Yes, I go to them often. I once made a ballroom completely by myself. He was surprised by that.

 

5. Are any factors (e.g. frequency, laws...) the key in going to these dimensions? Compare these places/dimensions to your wonderland. Describe these places, how different do you feel there, did you notice anything out of place etc.

[hosts name] is not as good as making ballrooms as I am. I don't think he could do the same without my help. He likes his dusty fantasy castles better.

 

6. Is there anything you've done or known by yourself while knowing that the host at that moment didn't know or absolutely heard of? If there are any, give an example.

(deleted initial comment because it was a pointless insult)

*sigh* yes, most of it in a form of a lie. [hosts name] is very gullible, and will listen to almost anything I'll have to say to him. Even if its not the truth. But he can't tell, because I'm really good at hiding the truth from him.

(See #9)

 

7. Are you able to visit our dimension, aka physical world? (If you're not able to, jump to question no. 10)

Screens are easier because they are 2D. Especially since [Host's name] is staring at some sort of screen or flat surface for most of the day. He hasn't exactly perfected a 3D version of my face, so usually I can only get certain body parts to work. The rest of my body ends up a silhouette.

 

8. Do you know the reason of being able to visit it?

Yeah, duh. Why else would I agree?

 

9. How limited are you to it?

(see #7)

We've got basic senses like touch down and sight, but that's about it. I bet I could do more, but I've never found a reason to. Like right now, I'm flooding my host's nostrils with a vanilla smell. Pretty easy, but why bother?

 

10. Were you ever able to have any kind of influence outside of the host's mind? If yes, please describe the event; if not, skip this question.

Host remembers a time of when he blurted out something I was saying to him in public. Luckily, he's normally spontaneous, so no one noticed.

Often times I can enhance [host's name]'s control of his own body when he needs it the most. I, and [host's name] have never had coffee before, but we assume that the affects would be quite similar.

 

11. Were you ever able to have influence on your host without them being aware of it? Give an example of examples.

That would ruin the surprise... *devilish grin* He can't know.

 

12. Compare other places and your wonderland with the world your host resides in. What is your view on it?

Boring, there's not enough people or places to hang out around in my wonderland, and [host's name] is always busy doing homework or something related. I'm usually stuck messing around with his stuff while he's busy.

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