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RE: Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid".
(11-19-2013, 08:55 PM)Sands Wrote: "Branded" as tips and tricks, Linkzelda? Removed from the guide section? There's nothing bad in that. What's bad is the attitude of people thinking that is bad. There's nothing wrong about your submission not being a guide as long as it has been written properly and has good advice.

Oh, there wasn't any implications that it was a bad thing if you were implying that I was feeling that way, but if not, no worries. It was mostly just for organizing the submissions accordingly.

I have nothing against with people's suggestions for some of the content to be labeled as tips and tricks and such. Whatever is good for the community in general is more important in the end, and even if I were to harbor that presumed attitude, it wouldn't be anything significant to change the system or anything of that nature. Same goes for anyone else in general of course.


Sands Wrote:Having written your own guide shouldn't give you such an e-peen boost. You can be just as proud about what you made whether or not it's in the guides forum or not.

Thanks for the insight, though I don't know where you've gotten that implication if it was directed at me of course. Maybe you assumed I had confidence issues with things I've posted in the past, or you were just trying to console me or something. Either way, thanks for the insight, even though nothing I've stated/posted/discussed in the past gave me insatiable gratification or anything like that.


Sands Wrote:Oh right people never use the search function and everything not stickied would get lost forever.

Agreed, it's not even difficult to use in the first place.


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RE: Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid".
Nah, the "you" I used there was a plural you so don't worry about that. It's just the attitude I'm sorta smelling around the guide submissions in general.

I think stuff like this is General Discussion. Because it should be discussed, they're ideas and hints someone shows us and we should also add our own to the mix. But I think that such helpful threads should be able to be tagged assuming our search function can search tags, not just if they're guides. That way you could also find tons of these tips and tricks threads when you just search for the needed tag.

Oh right, going back to searching again. Whoops. That's where all my ideas will crash.

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11-19-2013, 10:50 PM
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RE: Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid".
Disapproved.
People must learn to rationalize for themselves their own thought processes as they are subjective. One reading this is more likely to see the concerns of others, and feel reinforced in their confused mental state than to be put at ease..
11-22-2013, 11:36 PM
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RE: Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid".
Getting over parroting is a process that takes time and there's no guide that can help you with it. The only anti-parroting guide I'd approve of right is Sands' post on Schrödinger's Tulpa, but unfortunately that guide isn't on .info. This guide basically tells you to believe it's your tulpa unless you write on the walls and tell everybody you know and alert the presses that you're going to parrot before parroting. Parroting can happen due to expectation, and that will not be conscious and deliberate, but still you.

Also, the first, second, third, and fourth "worry" that you address are all the same thing, worded differently. On top of that, parrotnoia is misdefined, and there's a load of frontloading in here. Disapproved.
11-23-2013, 10:29 PM
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RE: Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid".
I can't think of anything that would help other than just saying "try to be less paranoid." and that wouldn't be guide length. Or stuff that's about getting to a point where it's near to proven not to be parroting.
11-23-2013, 11:57 PM
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RE: Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid".
This was a very helpful tips guide, thanks.
11-24-2013, 05:20 AM
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RE: Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid".
Alright, now that we have a Tips place I approve it for there.


Also just to address what Zero said briefly, I think it makes at least a few reasonable statements that really should be out there. You're assuming that "no guide can help" with this, but I think that some guides can help at least somewhat, or at the very least stop people from being hysterical about it.

I don't think that "it's your tulpa unless you alert the presses that you're going to parrot before" is the only thing the guide says. That's the response to 2 but not to anything else in my view.

I don't think the four points are the same. 2 and 3 might be similar but the response is pretty different to me. Also not sure there is a textbook definition of "parrotnoia" but I'd say this one is good enough.

Point taken about frontloading but I wonder how many people will be reading this who are in danger of that.
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RE: Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid".
Approved for tips and tricks.
12-14-2013, 05:32 AM
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RE: Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid".
I guess I never really approved of this, but I think tips and tricks is where this should be moved to, if it will be moved. Not sure if we're supposed to rate those like we do the guides seeing that we're the guide approval team and everything. Not sure if I agree with every point, especially when sometimes it smells like "always believe, doubt is bad always tulpa never doubt!!!", but luckily they're not quite that extreme. Honestly, this seems sort of like a FAQ about parroting some newbies should probably be reading. Some assuming and talking of opinions as facts in this one, but some parts make it obvious that it is in fact just an opinion and/or personal experience.

All in all, I think I'm a bit conflicted about this one. There's some things that will probably help a lot of the new guys, but some sound like they could potentially cause trouble. I think I'll add one of those going with the majority votes. I can be fine with this being approved, but I can also be fine if this doesn't get approved or moved anywhere. I'll trust the rest of the GAT, if they think this will be helpful to others and approve of it, so will I. If there's a tie then I guess I gotta make my final decision then, huh.

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12-16-2013, 03:57 PM
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RE: Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid".
If OP is nonexistent or doesn't make some initiative to take into consideration of the things you and others have stated, this may have to remain in the guide submission.

I agree with you that the front-loading that may be implied can be a bad thing for newcomers (i.e. OMG NO dOUBt ABOUT TULPAs KAY guise?!!?). And if this were shifted to Tips and Tricks, other submissions would probably drown it out with less negative front-loading

Though some would just filter that out and take what they actually need from this submission, but of course, will have to wait for other GAT members to vote.


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