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synchonicty, tulpas, and books

So, I discovered a video by author Anthony Peake which got my attention, and I started reading his first book. Something specific got my attention and I wrote him. About Tulpas. He wrote me back. Apparently, his next book will be discussing tulpas, which might be something everyone might want to keep an eye out for. (Synchronicity?!)

In my initial email, I was rambling, literally, in a discursive manner kid of like I am here, sharing a bit of about my experience with Tulpa. I can't let seem to let go of this parallel: "the invisible counselors technique" which was written by Napoleon Hill, in his book 'think and grow rich' back in the 1930s. I know it not exactly the same. Instead of creating a personality from scratch, he 'invited' personalities he admired, like Einstein, Lincoln, Ghandi into an 'imaginary' cabinet meeting. Not quite a wonderland, he didn't use this language, but he was clear, just 'pretend.' For it just being pretend, though, he had a procedure that resembles work. Whoever he chose to be on his 'board' he did research on them. This is not 'Forcing' per say, but he is certainly filling in attributes when doing this. At some point in his 'meditation,' he did use that word, the 'personalities' deviated. 'Deviated' was not his word, but what he reports is that they began to act autonomously, outside of initial scripts for them. For example, Lincoln would always show up late, and pace during his meetings, hands behind his back. They offered him advice and observations that he believed he was not capable of making. There is evidence in his writings that at some point he quit playing the 'invisible counselors technique,' because it got too spooky for him, but then later returned, because he couldn't deny the efficacy of what he was doing.

Anyway, I have been thinking about the parallels and writing about it, trying to clarify my thoughts. Loxy agrees with me, and in fact, she was the one who reminded that I had tried his exercise before and that we should try again, knowing what I at that time knew about tulpas. I am not an academic writer, so anything I put together won't resemble the precision of say Anthony Peake's work. Most of what I have written has been fiction, which is cathartic for me, but at best probably just fluff fantasy. Very few people are going to look past the fan-fiction feel to see evidence that something grander is happening in my internal life.

But more, in terms of synchronicity, I have been considering the fan-fiction I wrote prior to knowing anything about tulpas and found evidence of tulpas! Coincidence? I don't know, but I would certain enjoy hearing other peoples thoughts so I am out of my head for a wee moment. Smile
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RE: synchonicty, tulpas, and books

Tulpas definitely are not an original, enclosed concept we invented. I've thought before there's a good chance brains are naturally capable of simulating another person, either for coping or general self-improvement (which may be corrupted by ego/beliefs to become not so helpful). All the evidence I really needed was myself, Reisen had all the conditions for forcing a tulpa met (aside from speaking) but Tewi and Flandre just appeared totally on their own around the time Reisen was relatively tulpa-like. I never had imaginary friends as a kid nor did I really talk to myself OR have a loose grip on physical reality, so the only thing left as far as I can tell is that the human mind has some slight predisposition to such a thing.

It's fine that it's "not exactly the same", tulpamancy only has such rigid instructions and definitions to help people become tulpamancers. In reality everything we do is potentially infinitely different. But hey, humans like to organize things.

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03-23-2018, 07:27 PM
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(03-23-2018, 07:27 PM)Luminesce Wrote: I never had imaginary friends as a kid nor did I really talk to myself OR have a loose grip on physical reality, so the only thing left as far as I can tell is that the human mind has some slight predisposition to such a thing.

Definitely, the mind has a predisposition. I am only reading your response today, but the synchronicity is here again, as today Loxy and I were wondering, hypothetically, if were possible to backwards engineer a host's personality, and in the process would you find evidence of all the past personalities that influenced it's development. that's as far as we took that.

Like you, I did not have an imaginary friend growing up. Now this is weird. I wanted one. In 1978, I tried to make one. If I had access to tulpa.info then, I might have been successful It is spooky, to me, how close I was. I specifically set out to make a ghost friend. I wrote a page of stuff on what she would be like. Mind you, I am ten years old. I got this elaborate, as elaborate as a ten year old can make, character on this sheet of paper, and I folded it up, and I put it in my pillow and I slept on it. I forgot about it. My mom found it when she washed sheets, and I was so embarrassed that I didn't revisit it, and she tossed it and I was just happy it ended there, but shouldn't have been surprised because my folk really weren't the kind to entertain weird stuff. They didn't even like hearing about my dreams. I had a very active fantasy life. About four years ago I discovered the term "autistic fantasy," which is apparently a state that can be so real for the experiencer they hallucinate their fantasy, and naturally, I tried to apply it to myself in hindsight. Though I probably could make an argument that I ping in on the low end of ASD, I am confident that that isn't me. I wonder how weird, or divergent, I would be today had I been successful creating my little ghost friend way back then.
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Well I hope this post does not get relegated to the Metaphysics and Parapsychology subforum for mention of synchronicity . . .

This is fascinating. I had heard that book title before, but had no idea it contained references to proto-tulpas. Well dang, now I kinda want to make 'factives.' 



"Very few people are going to look past the fan-fiction feel to see evidence that something grander is happening in my internal life."

Yeah I feel ya. My original intention was to 'out' myself in my story . . . but I don't know if I'm courageous enough for that . . . and also unsure if it is my 'destiny', if you believe in that sort of thing, which you seem to.

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(05-08-2018, 08:36 AM)TheGreenQueen Wrote: Well I hope this post does not get relegated to the Metaphysics and Parapsychology subforum for mention of synchronicity . . .

Shhhhh! (In a whispered voiceSmile I don't think anyone's noticed yet. (If it happensSmile Awww, come on! Synchronicity is a real thing. Okay, maybe not a real thing like the TARDIS coffee cup on my desk, which isn't bigger on the inside and so doesn't hold an infinite amount of coffee but it's real concept... Quick, everyone rally around Jung!

So, yes, my newest friend, TheGreenQueen, it does kind of compel a person into considering factives, if nothing else, for an experiment. I mean that in a good way, not like the laboratory followed by a battery of unnecessary tests, with a final pull of an oversize lever that allows electricity to flow... "It's alive..." (But if you're going to go through all the effort to make a Young Frankenstein, there should at least be some attempt at humor, and one song and dance.) Maybe I should share my encounter with Jung here. I don't hang out with Jung as often as I probably should for having him on my team of 'counselors,' but several of the encounters were so bizarre and yet so relevant that I have trouble seeing it as anything other than exactly what I experienced it to be. I am now thinking about it, the experience... It's not like it was different or harder, so there no apparent reason I shouldn't be able to re-engage 'it' to the same degree, but I tend to spend the majority of the time with my regulars. My experience with the counselors did have me questioning the prohibition against factives... Prohibition is the wrong word. Recommendation? I do see the integrity and health of a personality being improved when they know who and what they are... Truth is good, right? So, what makes 'the invisible counselor's technique' different? It's not like Hill told them, you are just my imagination, though that was his initial expectations and belief for the exercise he engaged in. I can come up with metaphysical explanations, and I think the collective unconscious has to slide towards that end of the continuum, though I can make an argument for it just being a psychological way of encapsulating social facts and archetypes.... But I have not heard of any 'counselors' showing up having existential crises where the host is suddenly thrust into a counseling role to help the person he/she 'invited' to conference with them.  

I do believe in destiny. Sort of. Yoda is not one of my counselors but I do hear him from time to time saying, "Difficult to see. Always in motion the future is." I kind of want to encourage you to share your story, whether it outs you or not, because, stories are huge! But yeah, I hear you. It's a big step. The material I put out into the Universe is probably way too revealing of what actually goes on in my head, and even using an alias and plausible deniability, well... Stuff can come back to haunt you. Then again. I am just now old enough not to care what people think. Smile

I seriously should have brought Yoda in as one of my counselors. Then again, that last jedi made him a bit too comical for me. I don't want that one in my head.
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(03-23-2018, 06:16 PM)solarchariot Wrote: he quit playing the 'invisible counselors technique,' because it got too spooky for him, but then later returned, because he couldn't deny the efficacy of what he was doing.

It's funny that you mention that because the other day my mom (who knows nothing of tulpas) told me about that story and the guy got scared because lincoln confronted him in his dreams and asked him to keep holding the conferences.

Then I told her about tulpamancy (being a tibetan practice) and she asked me if I had one. I lied and said no. hahahaha

I'm the host, but I also have Yulia with me.
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(05-09-2018, 03:33 AM)Mr Mister Wrote: It's funny that you mention that because the other day my mom (who noes nothing of tulpas) told me about that story and the guy got scared because lincoln confronted him in his dreams and asked him to keep holding the conferences.

Then I told her about tulpamancy (being a tibetan practice) and she asked me if I had one. I lied and said no. hahahaha

Synchronicity! And very funny. Be very precise on this point, though... Was it one of those awkward lies like, "Um, no, haha, That would be crazy, right?" where mom, being moms and all, sees through the lie but decides, yeah, that would be crazy and chooses to change topics. Or was it one of those perfect lies like, 'hell no. Who does that?!" which totally convinced mom, but left your tulpa there with their arm's akimbo in the perfect wonder woman stance, clearly disappointed in once again being kept in the closet. Of course, if I had wonder woman in a closet, I probably wouldn't let her out, either. Much.

But you had an opportunity to explore the concept with your mom.... What do you think? Would she be tulpa-positive?
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(05-09-2018, 01:28 PM)solarchariot Wrote: Synchronicity! And very funny. Be very precise on this point, though... Was it one of those awkward lies like, "Um, no, haha, That would be crazy, right?" where mom, being moms and all, sees through the lie but decides, yeah, that would be crazy and chooses to change topics. Or was it one of those perfect lies like, 'hell no. Who does that?!" which totally convinced mom, but left your tulpa there with their arm's akimbo in the perfect wonder woman stance, clearly disappointed in once again being kept in the closet. Of course, if I had wonder woman in a closet, I probably wouldn't let her out, either. Much.

But you had an opportunity to explore the concept with your mom.... What do you think? Would she be tulpa-positive?

Yeah, sorry I didn't elaborate further! It was definetly more of an awkward lie, I have such a terrible way with words that I am laughing about it now. I feel that she suspects something even though she has spoke nothing of it since. I feel that she would have been fine with it, as much as a normal person could be that is. I just didn't want her to know in the heat of the moment, but I definetly want to tell at least most of my family eventually. At least, when I am more secure and used to having a tulpa. She isn't completely developed yet! I have told my greatest friend in some detail and he responded very positively.

I'm the host, but I also have Yulia with me.
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