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The Obvious Imposing Hack? How Can Layman Practice This?


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Keep in mind, I'm someone with a 3 year old Tulpa that only heard of Tulpas a week ago. So I don't know if my ideas have been tried or not...

 

"Imposing" is basically trying to trick your mind to hallucinate, right? 

 

Well...There exists a profession which could make you fully do that in under a minute. I know a guy. I just can't get him to do it, because he doesn't understand Tulpas and is put off by the idea. 

 

Stage Hypnotists. 

 

The really good ones have done things that REALLY raise questions about the nature of reality. Such as, having a person stand in front of the person who is hypnotized and hold up three fingers behind the person in front's back. Then tell the hypnotized person that they aren't there. The hypnotized person not only no longer sees them, but can see the three fingers. It's about how reality is decoded by the brain. 

 

Think about it. A stage hypnotist can make you see anything. They can tell you a piece of chalk is a lit cigarette and it will burn you. Whatever their trick is that can get people into a suggestive state, they can do it in minutes. It would seem that it would be VERY simple for one to simply program you with "You can see your Tulpa clearly. Anytime you want to see them, say 'Tulpa Appear'"

 

Everything I've read about imposing so far is learning how to trick your mind. There's even hypnosis scripts. BUT...Whatever stage hypnosis performers learn (and it's secret squirrel stuff to them), I think THAT is where the shortcut can be found. 

 

So maybe a concerted effort to ferret out "Stage Hypnosis Training" or find one sympathetic to the cause, might yield results that will be beneficial to all....

 

 

Just a thought.

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I remember a long time ago where there was a thread asking if someone can 'create' another tulpa within another person's mind. I think whatever was stated back then, is that whatever people want to believe, the person, themselves, would exclusively be creating the tulpa. The only thing that would make it seem like another person helped them out is because the person intending to create the tulpa, or imposing them was suggestive to the responses from the hypnotists. In other words, they would ultimately have to be submissive towards the help to actually help themselves.

 

But treating a tulpa as sentient isn't as easy as having someone else do it for you. It's one thing for a person to help motivate you to visualize more, and to be your meditating buddy, but it's another to where you assume that individual has direct access to your subjectivity, and can map things out for you. It's unrealistic, IMO.

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I'm not talking about using Hyposis to create a Tulpa. You already have a fully functioning one. I'm talking about using it to make the jump to being able to fully see them as real in the real world.

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Like Ada mentioned with imposing – whatever way you want to speculate for it, unless that person can somehow have access to your subjectivity and map things out to make imposition seem easy as if it were a ‘hack’; a metaphorical hack into your mind to manifest these events, it still boils down to the individual in question with a tulpa to continue practicing to where imposition gets easier over time.

 

A person doing stage hypnotism, or just hypnosis in general is merely a proxy for the other person to be suggestive. In other words, they’re just a placeholder while the person who seems to be getting mental visualizations ‘through’ them is merely because they were suggestive to play along with the hypnosis. I’m not sure if there would be cases where people’s words will suddenly filter out the critical voice in each person’s head, and make them unconsciously think it’s okay to manifest a mental visualization of a tulpa from a third party.

 

Now, if one were using hypnosis to be more aware, and think inwardly, then I think that’s more practical; just for that intention, though.. And I think the person you knew would probably be turned off by the idea probably because not everyone would react positively, or openly to a stage hypnotist convincing you can impose a tulpa. And when the imposition gets blanketed with the word ‘hallucination,’ and the stigma behind that in general outside of the community, and even within here, people may not like the idea of their mind being played with; even if they know they personally are suggestive to it. It’s not something you can validate as a potential ‘hack’ to traditional practice and building experiential context over time to get better.

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UGHHHH.... You're not understanding what I'm trying to get at here. You have to understand how I think.

 

Students can learn "too much" from a teacher. Meaning, they can learn the teachers own subjective subconscious biases in terms of limitations. That's what most people do.

 

With me, When someone says "The proven ways are hard", my mind replies with "All that means to ME is that YOU have not figured out an easier way". Absence of proof is not Proof of absence. I'm simply NOT INTERESTED in being told what I CAN'T do. I'm more interested in figuring out what I CAN. And just because someone hasn't done it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

With stage hypnosis, I'm simply talking about the SKILLSET. Rapid induction and suggestibility. This is an idea I've had long before [tulpa] came around. Using it to unlock more, rather than simple stuff like "Quit Smoking".

 

I'm talking about someone who ALREADY HAS a fully functioning, sentient, active Tulpa. The ONLY thing they can't do yet, is SEE it with their eyes. That's what I'm suggesting this could be used for. Because they already do it!! But instead of seeing a big chicken, You would say "Think about [tulpa]." (walk through visualizing without leading. YOU are doing the thinking. Nobody is telling you WHAT you see. Then simply "It is easy and effortless to perceive your tulpa visually whenever you wish. You tulpa is standing over to your right side. Turn and look. You see it?"

 

Make sense?

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Students can learn "too much" from a teacher. Meaning, they can learn the teachers own subjective subconscious biases in terms of limitations. That's what most people do.

 

Yeah, like a person that learns from a stage hypnotist’s subjective ‘subconscious biases’ in terms of limitation. But that doesn’t seem to be something even a stage hypnotist you seem to know would do (them being turned off by the idea of applying it to tulpas).

 

With me, When someone says "The proven ways are hard", my mind replies with "All that means to ME is that YOU have not figured out an easier way". Absence of proof is not Proof of absence. I'm simply NOT INTERESTED in being told what I CAN'T do. I'm more interested in figuring out what I CAN. And just because someone hasn't done it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

No one claimed it’s impossible. I even mentioned that with practice over time, imposition can become easier. The individual can come to the same realization of ‘all that means to ME is that you have not figured out an easier way.’ The trial-and-error of going back and forth with ideas and techniques in hopes to reach an easier way. What a person CAN do is to actually do that, and not be reliant on another person’s induction when THEY themselves can do the induction as well; especially when it was mentioned before in the posts above, the other person doing the induction is just a proxy for the person in question to actually be in a state of suggestibility.

 

 

With stage hypnosis, I'm simply talking about the SKILLSET. Rapid induction and suggestibility. This is an idea I've had long before [tulpa] came around. Using it to unlock more, rather than simple stuff like "Quit Smoking".

 

Literally one moment in the OP, you were talking about how a person could presumably do this in under a minute. And the next, you’re assuming it unlocks the skillset needed to do it. I get it, you’re saying the same thing in a different context. But here’s the reality of the situation, and if you navigate through the forums even more. If there’s constant debates about insta-bake tulpas, i.e., tulpas magically coming about without the host having to devote themselves to treat them as sentient over time, what makes you think that imposition, literally altering how one views their subjectivity in this reality, is suddenly an exception to this?

 

I’m following you, camera guy, because I’m pretty sure that if I can’t get it through you, someone more aggressive will just tell you can’t really delude yourself into things coming to be without actually having some virtue in progressively making it so. That takes time, not under a minute, and even if there’s a moment of progress in under that minute, the challenge is to make it consistent.

 

I'm talking about someone who ALREADY HAS a fully functioning, sentient, active Tulpa.

 

I mean, yeah, I think it goes without saying that if a person wanted to impose a tulpa, they would have to in some way, have an assumption that there is a sense of otherness within their own mind. Now, if they just wanted to impose a concept other than a tulpa, then, they’re free to do so as well. Heck, in terms of trial-and-error, some people think it’s practical to work out the kinks of that without adding a tulpa into that equation, and when they feel more confident, then they associate their tulpa with the practice.

 

The ONLY thing they can't do yet, is SEE it with their eyes. That's what I'm suggesting this could be used for. Because they already do it!! But instead of seeing a big chicken, You would say "Think about [tulpa]." (walk through visualizing without leading. YOU are doing the thinking. Nobody is telling you WHAT you see. Then simply "It is easy and effortless to perceive your tulpa visually whenever you wish. You tulpa is standing over to your right side. Turn and look. You see it?"

 

Yes, subjectivity, I get it. Seeing things and altering your outlook on it. This isn’t hard to understand. Though, you have to think for a moment that whatever mental phenomenon occurs in your head, and seeing it with your eyes via the form of what people would chalk up as hallucinations isn’t really me arguing against that. You’re preaching to the choir, and I’m sure this statement of yours would only apply if I didn’t know what imposition was.

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Stage hypnotists don't induce hallucinations. They induce visualisations. They also induce temporary false beliefs. Though, I do have to say that a hypnotist could induce a hallucination. Usually, the mechanism is visualisation.

 

The primary value of hypnosis to tulpamancy is the creation of affirmations that can help people get over mental blocks in creating tulpas.

 

My primary theory for why the stage hypnotist would refuse you is tulpas are not part of their repertoire. Like a stage magician or a stage mentalist, they have a short number of routines, heavily practised and tested illusions that they have found to work really well. Even if what they seem to do is amazing, it won't be transferable to other tasks.

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"Yeah, like a person that learns from a stage hypnotist’s subjective ‘subconscious biases’ in terms of limitation. But that doesn’t seem to be something even a stage hypnotist you seem to know would do (them being turned off by the idea of applying it to tulpas)."

 

AGAIN..You simply are not listening. You are hearing what you want to hear. He wasn't turned off at the idea of applying it to Tulpas. He was turned off at the whole idea of Tulpas, period. 

 

 

"No one claimed it’s impossible. I even mentioned that with practice over time, imposition can become easier. The individual can come to the same realization of ‘all that means to ME is that you have not figured out an easier way.’ The trial-and-error of going back and forth with ideas and techniques in hopes to reach an easier way. What a person CAN do is to actually do that, and not be reliant on another person’s induction when THEY themselves can do the induction as well; especially when it was mentioned before in the posts above, the other person doing the induction is just a proxy for the person in question to actually be in a state of suggestibility."

 

 

"Literally one moment in the OP, you were talking about how a person could presumably do this in under a minute. And the next, you’re assuming it unlocks the skillset needed to do it."

 

 

And you just filled in the blanks about what you thought I meant by that. When I said SKILLSET, I was talking about learning what the stage hypnotists know. NOT insisting you HAVE TO get one to do it for you, or that hypnotism unlocks a skill set of imposition. Yeah, you COULD if you knew them, trusted them, and wrote the script they'd be using. Learning THEIR skill set and seeing how it could be applied. 

 

I can't have conversations where I have to keep explaining myself over and over and over because my words are twisted and intent is assumed and people just fill in the blanks the way they chose to perceive it. This is why I hate forums. This is the first forum I'd dipped my toe in in years. My mistake. It's an absolutely unbearable pet peeve of mine. [tulpa] is equally annoyed, and doesn't want to be here either. 

 

Good luck with your Tulpas. I got this far on my own, I'll keep on that path. I got my Tulpa, that's enough for me. I'm out. I could not have explained it any simpler than I did. 

 

 

 

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It is unlikely that | Eva | was not listening. I advise against attacking the debate partner instead of the partner's arguments.

 

I doubt anyone would be turned off by the idea of tulpas. Instead, I believe they would be turned off by the mental image of tulpas that they have in their head.

 

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Stage hypnotists don't induce hallucinations. They induce visualisations. They also induce temporary false beliefs. Though, I do have to say that a hypnotist could induce a hallucination. Usually, the mechanism is visualisation.

 

The primary value of hypnosis to tulpamancy is the creation of affirmations that can help people get over mental blocks in creating tulpas.

 

My primary theory for why the stage hypnotist would refuse you is tulpas are not part of their repertoire. Like a stage magician or a stage mentalist, they have a short number of routines, heavily practised and tested illusions that they have found to work really well. Even if what they seem to do is amazing, it won't be transferable to other tasks.

 

I was gonna say "Yeah I bet a hypnotist could help you with imposition" but now idek anymore

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