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(03-17-2017, 05:43 AM)KarlYoshimura Wrote: I think our greatest flaw as a community is our fetishisation of academic or scientific pursuit - we have become insular, jaded, fat and immobile under the weight of our own pretensions and ever-present defects of personality. We have given cessation to the goal of being good-natured mentors, and have relished in becoming no more than bickering wanna-be politicians and acolytes. No good or productive ideas have emitted from our "enlightened" sector of community for years.

Your posts disgust me and I honestly wish you would just leave. The only thing you do is "passive"-aggressively insult the entirety of the forum. If it's that despicably bad, please leave us be. Because I don't even know where to start in arguing with you. All I'll say is that we have had a constant influx of new members who help further new members to the best of their ability, in total good will, for over two years now. I won't have you insulting them when you're the most frustratingly anti-constructive "contributor" I've ever seen.

But mostly just because you insult people for no reason. If your points were legitimate it wouldn't be as bad. Anyways, please just stop.




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I am glad they disgust you. Not because of our mutual distaste, but only because my intent is to take you out of your comfort-zone, which I have been able to accomplish if your unnecessary vitriol is evident. As for "leaving", I do depart as I please - those who can be assisted privately and given some insight to the tulpa phenomenon are much more a reason to stay than yours and others' petulant litanies regarding why I ought to desert.

One adage I much like is that if you wish to raise Hell, merely state the truth. For agreeing with something another individual stated and honestly opining upon our ilk, you have taken personal issue and, par to course, have only wished to mete out your personal frustrations at me rather than deconstruct my discussion points and explain why I am a so-called "anti-constructive contributor"...

If you wish to make this other-wise dead thread an echo-chamber for your misguided and deftly shaken perspective, I ask that you discuss this matter in P.M. It is for outbursts like these that no-one wishes to take us seriously any longer.

As for being on-topic, please refer to Tewi's above post to illustrate just how badly cannibalistic and desperately unreasonable one of the established user-base can be.

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many times I've gazed along the open road.

Many times I've lied - many times I've listened,
many times I've wondered how much there is to know.
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We've discussed your "points" before. You flat out said, in the quote above, that our users no longer wish to help people learn and now only argue amongst each other. How am I to argue that exactly? By linking you to posts where people are helping newer members, of which there are tons of? I don't want to argue it. We get along fine without you, because you do not contribute, you only complain and insult. We've a common philosophy for people who like to complain about the forum - you must be actually contributing to the forum in the first place to have a right in complaining about what goes on in it. As in you have to actually be answering questions, helping new users, not insulting others, before you can accuse us of not doing those things.

Please refer to any of Karl's own posts to illustrate just how warranted my complaints about him are. Also, I'm not letting you say "Let's take this to PM" just so you can get the last word in, when that last word is more slander.

For your and anyone elses' information, we've not once written a post like that despite feeling as such for quite a while now. Always been reasonable and actually discussing your "points". But with you returning and doing the exact same thing again, I'm drawing the line and speaking my mind. I didn't write this in PM, because your original post was still public, and my hope is that others don't feel the need to respond on their own - at least in this manner, anyways. If you'd like to debate actual points here, and I don't recommend it as they're old and repetitive at this point, that can go to PMs. Not me though, I want nothing to do with you from here on out. So please stop insulting people.



Well gee, he sent me an apology in PM but then promptly ignored me so I can't respond. So I'll leave my reply here. Specifically so that nobody else continues this debate, please, don't.
You're right, my reaction to your post (and the fact that it was exactly what I hoped it wouldn't be when I saw you post again) is a unique one. I've actually never been that upset at someone before. That was because I feel as if all of our attempts to discuss with you in a reasonable manner in the past, which were a test of tolerance at times, were completely for naught. Also, to be honest, you pulled your unnecessary aggression with Lucilyn once and that left a bad taste in my mouth. Won't bother getting into that again, but basically you took a well-meaning post of hers as flippant and replied accordingly. So that was about the end of my tolerance for your unprovoked aggression. In your most recent return you immediately went back to insulting the entirety of the forum and even claimed we no longer cared about teaching people, which struck me as particularly offensive. We do our best here.

I don't hold emotional baggage of any kind for very long, so I have no real ill feelings towards you at the moment (especially since you're at least trying to be reasonable now), but that sure was the most intense temporary emotional reaction anyone's ever gotten out of me. Congratulations? As I ended the post you didn't read with, please just stop insulting people so I don't have to reply to you anymore.

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All I want is a simple, peaceful life. With my family.
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This thread can do without the hostility. We've heard the passive-aggressive shtick against the community, and it doesn't belong here. This also isn't the right place to fight with each other on a personal level.
I am hoping that things have already been taken to PM if not stopped entirely, but here I am, just in case.

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Yeah, you could say that I guess. Anyways, "On topic", Karl called this an echo-chamber of a thread, but that doesn't really apply. Unless you have a criticism or comment of the OP, it wasn't meant for discussion. This thread is here for informational purposes, basically to confront the complaints of Tulpa.info doing pseudoscience. I only bumped it because it was on page 2, where no one would ever really see it.

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You and Karl might be talking past each other. He describes a long-term tendency, whereas you're more focused on current, local matters. He describes something abstract that perhaps applies when you look from afar at the forum's history, and you, insistent on disproving his observation, can point to numerous, recent posts that make it false. Yet maybe there's a point, no?
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I think you are making a mistake in reasoning, Tewi. This site is not doing official science. But technically, science is being done by its members.

Now, you might want the catchphrase gone for other reasons, but the "scientific establishment" is not going to come down here and "revoke" our "licence" do do independent science. Or complain to the board of calling things scientific.

I personally like the phrase because of its connection to mad science and a coincidental relationship with Dwarf Fortress.

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(03-17-2017, 11:44 AM)An Wrote: He describes something abstract that perhaps applies when you look from afar at the forum's history, and you, insistent on disproving his observation, can point to numerous, recent posts that make it false.

He's been saying the same things for more than two years now. There is no reconciling with him. Trust me, I didn't say what I said without reason, and I didn't ask you guys to let it go without reason either. He projects his own negative views of the world outward constantly, which can only serve to bring it closer to that state - or just annoy people who disagree when he won't listen.

(03-17-2017, 03:27 PM)tulpa001 Wrote: I think you are making a mistake in reasoning, Tewi. This site is not doing official science. But technically, science is being done by its members.

Now, you might want the catchphrase gone for other reasons, but the "scientific establishment" is not going to come down here and "revoke" our "licence" do do independent science. Or complain to the board of calling things scientific.

It's a post for the critics. I don't recommend arguing that we're "doing science" with, say, Yakumo. The OP says we work with a scientific mindset, for the sake of knowledge, with peer review, more or less. But that it's also nowhere near rigorous enough to be considered "actual science". It's the best possible in between, trust me. Or go read Yakumo's post that took issue with the little leeway I did give.

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What I am saying is no one has a monopoly on science. Science is a body of principles, which can be applied by anyone. A mindset that holds that there is such a thing as mystical "actual science" is only going to discourage people from chasing it. This same mystical "actual science" image is what is exploited by some modern religions to lend themselves credibility in the eyes of the less informed.

Science is not beakers in a lab and weird metres and instruments. That's just the public perception of science.

I don't think everyone here is scientifically minded, doing science, or even interested in doing science. But the site is acting as a public archive of research and information. That's pretty scientific.

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Did you actually read the OP? Or are you just replying to my bump post? Because that was a highly condensed version meant to be read by the skeptics coming from Metokur's videos and the like. The OP is how we actually feel on the subject (I co-wrote it with Lumi).

Hi, I'm Tewi, one of Luminesce's tulpas. I often switch to take care of things for the others.
All I want is a simple, peaceful life. With my family.
Our Ask thread: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas
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