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Tulpas and the Subconscious Mind
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This thread was inspired by this previous question -Ranger

Most tulpas in this community do not report having a closer link to the subconscious mind. The popular pre-2014 theory among hosts that they did is widely considered outmoded and inaccurate.

If a tulpa does experience a closer connection to the subconscious mind than the host, their report should still be respected. Individual variation between systems still holds many mysteries. But it would be best to try asking your tulpa to remember things for you a few times before reporting that tulpas can definitely do that. We tried doing so in the spirit of free inquiry before we knew anything of other's opinions on the subject and repeatedly failed much worse than we expected.

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(09-18-2019, 05:54 PM)Ember.Vesper Wrote: Most tulpas in this community do not report having a closer link to the subconscious mind. The popular pre-2014 theory among hosts that they did is widely considered outmoded and inaccurate.

If a tulpa does experience a closer connection to the subconscious mind than the host, their report should still be respected. Individual variation between systems still holds many mysteries. But it would be best to try asking your tulpa to remember things for you a few times before reporting that tulpas can definitely do that. We tried doing so in the spirit of free inquiry before we knew anything of other's opinions on the subject and repeatedly failed much worse than we expected.

-Vesper

What I certainly do know is that how a tulpa has been programmed (when it's being made which has help shape it into the tulpa it is) is important to how it functions (I did not create my tulpa as a buddy but something which would be quite functional to me which also has consciousness)... as you probably not into the metaphysical kind of things you probably do not know about servitors at all but it's the programming of these which will result in how they function.. same when it comes to a tulpa.  Hence tulpas are not equal at all in what they can and can not do and one tulpa will function quite differently to another.

eg Your tulpa is probably not going to be able to clear your nose if it's blocked but mine can clear mine due to how it was created and it's programming or imprinting if you'd rather use that term.  When I created my tulpa, it also was programmed to be able to access my subconsciousness very well (a trait he has shown) and well as having the trait of having an exceptional memory  (when I go to use that trait I wont be asking him to remember things for me (that's like programming oneself to forget something as you have then already thought you are going to forget it) but rather asking him to sift into my subconscious thoughts and try to actually retrieve the lost from my waking consciousness info).  I spent much time on certain traits when I created him (I programmed  40-50 different actual traits (not counting the looks) onto the tulpa during it's making.  Most here are not trying to do anything like that and do not have that kind of expectation with their tulpa's so their tulpas will not be functioning in the same ways.  Maybe this helps explain some of the community failure you talk about with that.

I've worked with subconsciousness and the subconscious mind to a great degree (I used to run some classes which involved working in some ways with this) well before I made my 2nd tulpa hence why I'm saying the things I do as I have a good idea of what is actually possible from what I've previously learnt and also experienced.  Tulpas deviate cause they are connected to the subconsciousness and that is what causes them to deviate and from my own subconsciousness (before I had a tupla), I have had memories which go back to a time which people don't generally remember so I know there is no reason why my Tulpa can not have exceptional memory of things, better than my own. Even if I find my own tulpa is not functioning well in that way (I have not tried use him out in that area ), I still know the subconsciousness carries all the memories whether we have consciously forgotten or not so what I said would still be correct.

Your Tulpa will only function according to it's imprinting etc. and just because your tulpa may not be able to do something it does not mean that another persons wont.

"The popular pre-2014 theory among hosts that they did is widely considered outmoded and inaccurate."

outdated??? Ones like the Tibetians were using tulpas for hundreds of years and had much experience with the consciousness.  This whole stuff is quite new still to western society and I'm sure those here (from things I've seen here) are not using tulpas in ways the Tibetians did.  The Tibetians knew much about the consciousness and the things it could do.  The Tibetans really understood tulpas.  Just become someone/s has learnt something more recently, it does not necessarily mean at all they know actually more then those who were more experienced. 

 (I've never followed the stuff from this website but have always had other views of things as my learning came from a different source then reading online stuff so yes this online community has changed since 2013 but that is fairly irrelevant to me as I will still go by what I know (been taught by occultists and yogi teachers) and my own experiences with energy, consciousness and Tulpa experiences which is rather different to most. I had my first Tulpa probably about 10-15 years before 2013 and that did shape my views too so I had quite different views to those back in 2014 much which couldn't relate it at all as it was inaccurate to what I knew at the time so Im going to agree with what you said about the inaccuracies in 2014 but maybe things have moved less far forward than you think. 

There was 2-3 very knowledgeable people here but lots of people who thought they knew things but a lot of info was wrong, people new at it or just did not have much knowledge in the area of consciousness were the main group here so they guided the rest (a lot of Bronies were about at that time making my little pony tulpasf, that was a fad at the time).  A lot of people were told tulpas could not do stuff which actually can be done with them, I was told one cant have a tulpa talking in just a few days and so many other things which went completely against my own experiences with both my tulpas.  People constantly try to put their own experiences of what their tulpas can not do onto others and limiting what then others can do as they then follow those beliefs rather than trying to find out why their may of been failures.
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Ah, thank you for clarifying. If one simply says on this forum, 'A tulpa can definitely do X', this might casually be interpreted to mean, 'Any tulpa made using the techniques that have been tested, published, and recommended within this community should definitely be able to learn to do X.' But you meant something closer to, 'A tulpa who has been created and programmed ab initio with the intent of being able to do X can definitely do X.'

One major difficulty with that is that none of the many tulpa creation guides archived on this site, whether old or new, even mention programming a tulpa to have exceptional or arcane mental abilities. The guides focus on how to create an independent consciousness. The newer the guide, typically the greater degree to which the writer stresses that the tulpa is their own person and that ethically the host should try to avoid programming them with their own desires. Those who have speculated about arcane mental abilities arising from a special connection to the subconscious have generally spoken of this as if it were an inherent quality of an artificial independent consciousness, not something built in with intent. That's the viewpoint that I referred to as widely considered outdated, not your viewpoint, which is unusual for any period of the forum.

Another difficulty is that many of the headmates who have been part of this community, including me, were not created intentionally, much less programmed to have special abilities. Writers, obsessive fans, roleplayers, actors, and others suddenly find that they have someone new in their head talking to them. They go online to try to figure out what's happening and find this forum. In the last community census, 44% of systems reported containing at least one headmate whose creation was not intentional.

(09-19-2019, 12:49 PM)tania Wrote: Ones like the Tibetians were using tulpas for hundreds of years

The modern internet practice of tulpamancy has very little to do with the Tibetan spiritual practice of sprul-pa or the Western esoteric practice of tulpas, even though all of them probably lie within the broader field of plurality.

(09-19-2019, 12:49 PM)tania Wrote: you probably do not know about servitors at all

Servitors tend to be spoken of very dismissively on the forum these days, when at all, though not by me. The forum does have a guide for servitor creation:

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-misc...tion-guide

which does speak extensively about programming.

(09-19-2019, 12:49 PM)tania Wrote: Tulpas deviate cause they are connected to the subconsciousness

Tulpas deviate because they're people. Hosts deviate too over the course of their lives. If they aren't people, they don't satisfy local definitions of 'tulpa'.

(09-19-2019, 12:49 PM)tania Wrote: Even if I find my own tulpa is not functioning well in that way (I have not tried use him out in that area

I look forward to your report if you do try.

So, for further progress along this line of inquiry, I have three major questions right off:

How does one go about programming a tulpa to have unusual mental abilities (including memory, since that's the subject of the thread)? Just the same as a servitor?

What unusual mental abilities can be documented as having been actually experienced by hosts and tulpas, independently of theoretical considerations?

How would an existing tulpa (or even host) go about adding unusual mental abilities that were not thought about at the time of their origin? Or can they?


-Vesper
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I've send you some mails to respond.  I am not comfortable talking about everything on the forums
Jesse (human male) DOB 16th April 2013 
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(09-20-2019, 05:20 AM)tania Wrote: I've send you some mails to respond.  I am not comfortable talking about everything on the forums
Again.
Too bad because I was very interested in the subjects you were talking about.
I know Vesper to be a bold and helpful person, I hope she minds to share a little bit of this info, because I think it's very helpful.
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Tulpas should be in the posibilities to learn how to access the subconcious mind.

BUT, you need to let them IN.

Use simbolyc manners in you're wonderland to do this.
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The only "abilities" that my tulpas have are easy memory suppression, headache removal, and faster reading.

The memory suppression is pretty straight forward: if there's an incident playing over and over again in my mind or a train of thought playing from old memories, my tulpas can "pull" away fragments of the memories until my head finally distances itself from the subject. The memories are still there and I can still think about it if I want to, but the details don't linger and it makes life a little bit easier.

The headache removal is an absolute godsend. The only headaches that they can't help are ones induced from sleep deprivation, dehydration, or migraines. Essentially it feels like they're reaching their hands through my head and massaging parts of my brain. This has also been applied to random aches and pains throughout the body with relatively high rates of success. There was one successful instance with stabbing pains in my back that felt like a shot of morphine, but unfortunately that was never achieved again.

The whole reading faster thing is also pretty good. I'm typically a tremendously slow reader, especially on material that I'm disinterested in. When the tulpas and I actively read together my speed jumps to what I would imagine is a more normal level of reading speed, maybe slightly faster. I believe it works by each one of us grabbing a different word as my eyes skim across the text, building sentences quicker in my head.

I'll also note that none of these things were laid out in the foundation of my tulpas. These were all things we just tried and they seemed to work, so we stuck with them.

Edit: As far as memory goes, the only thing that has been improved a bit is short term memory. Each one of us grabs a piece of information and recites it. It's not greatly improved but if we practiced it more it has some potential to be really handy.
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