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We need to stop asking IF tulpas are sentient, and start asking HOW they are sentient
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We need to stop asking IF tulpas are sentient, and start asking HOW they are sentient
The number one debated topic ever since the beginning of the modern tulpa community nearly 6 years ago has been "Are tulpas TRULY conscious and sentient, or do they only appear that way and are just part of your imagination?"

Yes, this frequently asked question can be fun to ponder. It makes sense to want to know the answer to it. However, at the current time, any attempt to actually answer this question with 100% certainty is useless. There is not yet much understood about consciousness in general, and there is in fact no way to prove the sentience of ANYTHING other than yourself. You know that you have subjective awareness, but you can't know that to be true about anyone else, tulpa or not. Sentience can only ever be proved once MUCH more has been discovered about the technicalities of what consciousness is, where it comes from, etc. Until then, we will be left in the dark.

Still, it makes the most logical sense to assume that tulpas are truly sentient. They both act and function as people, and are able to do things that wouldn't make sense for a non-sentient being to be able to do. Almost all of those who have created tulpas experience them as autonomous beings, with the qualities and capabilities of a separate person. 

Doubting the sentience of a tulpa makes about as much sense as doubting the sentience of any random person you see walking on the street. The doubt is not completely irrational, after all, you can't PROVE this person's sentience. Though, is it LIKELY that they are a mere robot/automation? Not at all. The person acts sentient, so most people would automatically assume they are. The same should apply to tulpas.

I believe that much of the doubt in the sentience of tulpas stems from the fact that they can seem "too good to be true" or the concept of multiple minds in the same brain can seem too "out there" or strange for many. These are more excuses than they are legitimate arguments - Something does not have to seem "normal" to be likely to be true. Some come up with theories of tulpas being the result of "mind tricks" to cover up the true reason for doubting their sentience - the idea is too strange for them, so they look for any other possible explanation, even if the explanation is more complex and makes less sense overall. If going by Occam's Razor, assuming that tulpas are sentient actually makes more sense than assuming they are a "habit", or a "manifestation of your subconscious". Both of those theories are far more unnecessarily complex than the theory that tulpas are simply sentient just like any other person.

Now, on to my second point. If anything, we should be asking HOW tulpas can exist, how they make the transition from imaginary friend or character to conscious person, and how the forcing methods used by the community can lead to the creation of a conscious being. These questions are more useful, and if speculated upon can actually better our understanding of the tulpa creation process or even consciousness itself. Assuming tulpas are not sentient only jams up this process. 

No matter what your beliefs in tulpas are, assumptions will still be made, but it is better to go with the more likely assumption when asking questions.

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RE: We need to stop asking IF tulpas are sentient, and start asking HOW they are sentient
I think the question should still be IF they are sentient.

If you look at NLP and hypnosis, the creation of a tulpa makes perfect sense. The brain is a powerful tool that we barely can tap into. It can create a delusion so real well... you wouldn't know it was fake. So a tulpa being a fake construct from the imagination is very plausible in that sense. That would make their sentience an illusion, because without your sentience it cannot have its own. Hence its heavy reliance on the host.

For example... demons, spirits, etc. If you consider the existence of tulpas these constructs are not far fetched either. They can be perceived by multiple people at once and have no reliance on a human whatsoever. They are more "real" than tulpas because tulpas are purely subjective thus, CAN be illusions.

I was on a discord server briefly lurking and a user posted something cool.

"Assuming we were created by 'God' or some higher intelligence, could we not just be 'tulpas' of this higher intelligence? I mean if we can create sentience, how far fetched is it - really to believe that we are artificial intelligence as well?"

The difference between us and tulpas is that we can be perceived by multiple people, tulpas cannot unless they switch. Even then, this is 100% reliant on the fact that the host has a body.

If tulpas are not illusions, they are certainty lesser thought forms. Depending on your beliefs, humans are leagues higher than any thought-form because its our rightful status to rule over creation. This is why humans can co-create. If we really can make sentience, this just proves our status as co-creators. gods. Tulpa can create too, because we breathed that ability into them.

Many spiritual books have this type of saying...

"and we created man in our image".

Well...

"and we created tulpae in our image".

If you don't make a thought-form in your image, it wont be sentient nor will it be able to effectively co-create.

The "if" tulpas are sentient is a first step because we don't know. The first step is cleared once we know. And I mean KNOW. Legitimate data that can be shared. Not theory, not facts mixed with theory, just pure... unaltered facts.

Which would require brain scans and such I'm sure.

The more likely assumption is subjective because all assumptions are subjective.

To me, my assumption is that tulpas are either illusions or thought-forms. To someone else their assumption is the whole psychological theory.

We need to start at the foundations and treat it like a law case. Only facts are allowed to progress in the case, theory and stuff simply won't cut it for a legitimate understanding
09-15-2017, 03:23 AM
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RE: We need to stop asking IF tulpas are sentient, and start asking HOW they are sentient
My points still stand, BlackWizard. Tulpas act and function in the same way that ordinary people do - under your logic, the minds of ordinary people are just as likely to be illusions. There is little difference between the two. Tulpas are only really different because they usually have to be coerced into existence, rather than naturally coming about.

Tulpas are not always reliant on the host - when switching occurs, the host sometimes goes completely unconscious or resides in the mindscape, doing their own thing. The tulpa can operate without any sort of supervision or assistance. This shows that tulpas do not rely on the sentience of the host, and rather have an individual mind of their own.

Then, you reference "spiritual books". ... Really?

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09-15-2017, 04:23 AM
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RE: We need to stop asking IF tulpas are sentient, and start asking HOW they are sentient
(09-15-2017, 04:23 AM)Kitsukrou Wrote: My points still stand, BlackWizard. Tulpas act and function in the same way that ordinary people do - under your logic, the minds of ordinary people are just as likely to be illusions. There is little difference between the two. Tulpas are only really different because they usually have to be coerced into existence, rather than naturally coming about.

Tulpas are not always reliant on the host - when switching occurs, the host sometimes goes completely unconscious or resides in the mindscape, doing their own thing. The tulpa can operate without any sort of supervision or assistance. This shows that tulpas do not rely on the sentience of the host, and rather have an individual mind of their own.

Then, you reference "spiritual books". ... Really?
Like I say to anyone in this community who doubts spiritual books...

if you think believing in a tulpa is more rational than spirituality then there's a problem. There's not rationality for either until your experience them subjectively. Mocking spiritual books is no different than me mocking the existence of tulpas.

And yes I was agreeing with a lot of your points.

Right but without the host the tupps can't do anything until it evolves into an egregore if they exist. They tupps has a body... because the host does. The tupps has sentience... because the host does. If the host dies, the tupps goes along with it. Without the host, tupps can't exist until tupps evolves enough to not be a tupps.

They may have an individual mind but if the host had 0 sentience the tupps couldn't have it either. The host (body & mind if you wanna discard the soul) needs to exist for tupps to exist. Spirits don't need a host, they live on. Even if you wanna theorize that spirits are egregores, they still live on compared to tulpas. 

Any discussion on tulpas is mere theory and for now it seems that's all it'll ever be until we get proof.
09-15-2017, 05:05 AM
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