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What are the metabolic costs of tulpa cognition?


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What are the metabolic costs of having a tulpa "think"?

 

When you or I think, it costs energy. It burns blood sugar and calories, and makes one tired.

What about a tulpa? If a person with a tulpa relaxes, say by closing his/her eyes and meditating, or something similar, while having their tulpa engage in mental activity of a complex and draining nature, does that person end the period of relaxation/meditation/whatever with the same physiological effects of tiredness as if they had performed the mental activity?

 

This is interesting because it offers a way to test an otherwise pretty much untestable question -- does a tulpa in any way exist independently of the host?

 

A related idea is: can one create a tulpa with no inhibitions against expending effort? Humans have a certain natural reluctance to think strenuously, just as they have a natural reluctance to engage in strenuous physical activity. Presumably this trait is subconsciously imprinted on most tulpas during the creation process. Can a tulpa be made with lacks this trait?

 

I would imagine that this trait is deeply ingrained in humans and other animals by evolution to prevent needless expenditure of energy. The creation of a tulpa not affected by this trait would have interesting implications. I'm not sure what they would be, particularly since certain mental illnesses/manias can also overcome this trait, but it would still be interesting.

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I don't think there's an independence towards body (tulpa needs operation system as well). So, if there would be no limitations the body would suffer in some way. How? Probably in the way as when the brain is exhausted. However you can train your brain as almost any other part of your body so I guess extension of the possibilities is eventual. But yet I'm not able to say to what extent because it would be different for everyone.

 

About this "related idea" - I'm not sure if I get your point. Do you mean a tulpa with totally no limitations from the beginning or a tulpa who can train himself? Or do you assume that every human has an allergic reaction to effort of any kind, so he would need a tulpa to do it for him?

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I think the idea was more would it be possible for a tulpa to concentrate constantly and without break for far more extended periods of time than perhaps the average person would do due to feeling fatigue or tired. Feeling fatigue and or tired is a defense mechanism for the body so we don't push too hard and completely exhaust ourselves (perhaps developed back when we didn't have such reliable food sources) - I suppose if a tupper could ignore the signals it would be possible however there's gonna be a point where it stops due to literal exhaustion

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For me personally Toby is always active, we passive force nearly all the time and it doesn't wipe me out at all. In the beginning it did, I would get so tired I would need a nap but now it's not like that at all.

 

Tulpas do take energy from their hosts for the creation process but once they are Indipendant then they dont seem to tire you out any more than say meditation would.

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I can agree with Amber's statement, when I was actively forcing my girls I had to eat for two to deal with the increased energy demands, but now my girls don't eat up a lot of energy at all.

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One would need to test groups of people with and without tulpas by putting each of them in a calorimeter and letting them do mental exercises, the tulpas doing parallel processing.

That 'll show if the ones with tulpas have a higher metabolism. Quite doable providing that you have a large-enough calorimeter and enough participants with capable tulpas.

http://www.gazette.uottawa.ca/en/2014/02/worlds-only-calorimeter-on-campus-gauges-how-hot-the-human-body-can-get/

 

I can already see the Tulpa Diet trending, featuring slogans like 'I lost weight with my tulpa'

 

Also I am sure the trait to prevent needless expenditure of energy is deeply engrained in me, I call it being lazy.

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I figure it's more of taking supplements for the brain (e.g. choline, coenzyme Q10) to keep up with intense forcing and such rather than only bodily sensations. Unless it was for something like long term switching, I can't imagine a person having to eat twice, or even thrice. That's like ignoring that the body will have limits of how much food is stored if they take more than what one person can handle. Almost seems like having obese forcers rather than ones that just try to eat a fruit a day with a meal along with other supplements.

 

I think sometimes we go too much with the implicit autonomous thinking, and how it must be taxing on the mind. There's more taxing experiences during nonREM and REM sleep, and we're most likely dreaming with all sorts of thought forms as well for most of our lives. But if it's truly a case where we have to gauge out metabolic rates, it seems it might be more psychosomatic, or something like that.

 

Edit: I say this because I never seemed tempted to eat more than intended ever since taking part in creating them from the first day.

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Sometimes the best thing for a pounding headache or the feeling of being mentally fatigued is to get a dose of protein into you. The brain is a huge consumer of protein which it uses for building new cells, growing new neurons and therefore weaving new connexions. Cup of coffee (for caffeine) and a handful of peanuts (for protein) are a poor person's aspirin.

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One would need to test groups of people with and without tulpas by putting each of them in a calorimeter and letting them do mental exercises, the tulpas doing parallel processing.

That 'll show if the ones with tulpas have a higher metabolism. Quite doable providing that you have a large-enough calorimeter and enough participants with capable tulpas.

http://www.gazette.uottawa.ca/en/2014/02/worlds-only-calorimeter-on-campus-gauges-how-hot-the-human-body-can-get/

 

I can already see the Tulpa Diet trending, featuring slogans like 'I lost weight with my tulpa'

 

Also I am sure the trait to prevent needless expenditure of energy is deeply engrained in me, I call it being lazy.

 

I had in mind a simpler object: to come up with a way to test the metaphysical existence of tulpas. I understand that the party line is that tulpas are mental constructs, but from what I've read here and other places there seems to be a strong underlying feeling more in line with the supposed Buddhist origins of tulpas -- that they are or after a while become created spirits, something independent of the host, an idea which may be reinforced since it seems to me this idea makes forcing visualizations easier.

 

I think my idea gives a way to test this belief in tulpa independence to some extent. Take someone who believes their tulpa is a somehow independent of them rather than part of their mind, and have them clear their mind and rest and relax, while their tulpa(s) do something extremely mentally demanding in the background, like, say, I don't know, calculus or something like that. Does the host get mentally tired after spending a while "relaxing" like this? If so, that is an indication that their tulpas cannot think independent of the host. Or does the host not get tired, yet the tulpas come up with some meaningful result from their mental activity, like, say, a fully calculated high prime number that they were not aware of before, or whatever? If so, that is an indication that the tulpa CAN operate independent of the host.

 

Needless to say an EEG or MRI of the "relaxing" host's brain would make all this much more meaningful, but it seems to me it would be possible to get some tantalizing indications based solely on honest reporting of tiredness after "relaxation."

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I'll keep an eye out for any increases now just out of my own curiosity - we haven't done any major tests of parallel processing and the like so when we do I'll be mindful of it all.

 

Also aijada- peanuts are cheaper than aspirin where you live?! Wow. Here it's the opposite way round - peanuts and the like are about double the price if you were to compare the relative quantities -ie a handful against a dose

Of aspirin

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