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[Wonderland] Aggressive Wonderland?
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Aggressive Wonderland?

Hello all!

Short version: I tried to make a wonderland, and it was filled with jet black, sharp fanged, yellow eyed shadows with shattered white masks that attacked me repeatedly.

Long version: After listening to Jean-Luc's Tulpaudcast with Fede, I decided making a wonderland before the tulpa would be a good idea. So I made one of my aunt's home since it technically doesn't exist anymore, and I like it. However, once I got to the dining room, I immediately got a picture frame and a stuffed parrot trying to scare me. After vaporizing them, I kept going from room to room, manifesting as much as I could remember, until I got to the living room. From then on, I continuously got attacked by the monsters mentioned in the short version. I have never seen these monsters before, and I wasn't able to control them, as they automatically attacked me. They kept attacking me, as I went from room to room killing them, often screaming at me when I opened doors, or charging me when I was in the backyard.
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For clarification, the attacks were automatic. I did not try to create enemies to fight, they just...happened as I was trying to recreate the house as best as I could.

I'm sure it's the result of my mind being in whatever state, but after that experience I'm curious. Has anyone else tried to make a wonderland, and it viciously attacked you? As if you were an intruder?

Note: Sorry if I'm posting in the wrong place, or if someone made a post like this.
10-15-2016, 05:25 AM
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RE: Aggressive Wonderland?

Just to point out, it isn’t required to make a wonderland before you make a tulpa. Not saying you really believe that, but just wanted to throw it out there just in case. The same if you think you have to create a tulpa naked before imagining them in clothes because if not, -xyz reasons inserted here-. Those are just fears that become way too influential that makes people fearful of their own imagination.

As for aggressive wonderlands, I’ll tell you that if you want to a more pleasant experience, sometimes, you have to go through the muddy waters a bit. Things will be vague, weird, and even confrontational, but in our experiences, hammering that stuff out with an iron fist, and continuing to improve on our description over things in our imagination will help in the long term. It’s not a surprise for you to get this monkey-brained reaction with your imagination. I remember with Linkzelda’s first attempts at image streaming, a visualization practice with sensory description technique, had all sorts of random nuances – like rhinos sipping tea, and owning exclusively rare china plates.

Over time, the more he engaged in image streaming, things became easier for him, which made it easier to put in more time sinks in the endeavor. Long story short, if you hammer that shit out until it becomes an industrialized process to make it more pleasant for you and your companions, something good will come. You just have to be less fearful of the nuances, and understand that it can improve.

People also chalk this up with heavy presumptions that one’s brain is making connections for more efficiency in processing and what have you. Linkzelda had that belief a long time ago, especially when he believed in a simple model of the brain being predisposed in figuring things out; no matter how equivocal, weird, and outright concerning.

But again, some people can’t just do this stuff with an iron fist. Those images, and mental visualizations can be a little messed up. I remember getting mutilated a few times in some image streaming sessions, but they weren’t intentional. That’s due to him trying to be less biased over what was being portrayed in his head, and him eventually knowing how to quickly turn it into his favor, and for us. Once you conquer your own censoring, you'll learn what to let loose, and what to maintain for your endeavors, and the tulpa-in-question; trial-and-error--and it's a mediocre response, I know, but it was worth the randomness for us.
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10-15-2016, 05:44 AM
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RE: Aggressive Wonderland?

Yeah, that stuff can happen. It is related to intrusive thoughts. A long time ago, my host had to fight off a recurring nightmare and daydream of an endless stream of knives and swords flying at her trying to chop her head in half.

If you want an explanation, you were thinking about other entities in your mind that you have no control over, and a real world location that has gone over into the afterlife. Also, thoughts are self reinforcing. Devote them attention and they will reoccur.

Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.
10-15-2016, 03:38 PM
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RE: | Eva | and tulpa001

Reply to | Eva |: From guide reading I thought imagining your tulpa naked was a requirement. Thanks to you, I no longer have to worry about that. Huzzah!

Iron fist huh? Alright, I'll give that a shot. It's my mind, and it will obey me! Bwahaha! (begins mental reign of terror)

In all seriousness though, thank you for the detailed response. It'll be helpful to think of the crazy stuff that appears as my mind being unruly, and it's just something I need to push through rather than getting hung up over. Instead of being confused as to why tea sipping rinos are in the wonderland, it's better to just shrug and keep forcing, than trying to vaporize them, only for them to start multiplying or something.

Reply to tulpa001: That sounds unpleasant. Did your host try summoning armor or creating a forcefield to reflect the swords before realizing it was better to ignore them? It sounds weird that ignoring the problem makes it go away, but in the mind, I guess that would work.
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Thank you both for your insight. It's relieving to know that it's normal for the mind to go bonkers while forcing. I can now dive back into creating a wonderland with resolve. Thanks!
10-15-2016, 05:09 PM
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RE: Aggressive Wonderland?

there's no rules to tulpamancy, visualize them in a clown costume if you want. It's not like the people who wrote guides were gods that created the human mind, they're just people who did stuff and got certain results. But even then everyone's different so you aren't even guaranteed to get the same results. Just use your logic on what makes sense tbh

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10-15-2016, 05:20 PM
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RE: Aggressive Wonderland?

(10-15-2016, 05:20 PM)Lucilyn Wrote: there's no rules to tulpamancy, visualize them in a clown costume if you want. It's not like the people who wrote guides were gods that created the human mind, they're just people who did stuff and got certain results. But even then everyone's different so you aren't even guaranteed to get the same results. Just use your logic on what makes sense tbh

I assumed tulpamancy was like following a recipe. If you want a guaranteed good dish, follow the recipe (guide) to a t. Most early cooks screw up by deviating from the recipe, so I figured the guy who made the guide knows what he/she is doing, and I don't know what I'm doing, so obviously they know better!

I guess tulpamancy isn't like a recipe. Thanks for info!
10-15-2016, 05:34 PM
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RE: Aggressive Wonderland?

You'll find that a lot of the guides here vary greatly in their approaches, what works for one person might not work for another. That's why most guides have a disclaimer saying "this is a guide, not a tutorial, you don't have to follow it exactly".

So, don't be afraid to try new things or take your own approach. ^^

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10-15-2016, 06:48 PM
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RE: Aggressive Wonderland?

@Mechagodzilla: Yes, in fact. But it was so long ago, that we can't be sure of anything. She also claimed the knives as her own and threw them back, and fended them off with her own weapons, and made herself intangible. The more she fought, the more they came.

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10-15-2016, 07:39 PM
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RE: Aggressive Wonderland?

Maybe you should have Son of Gojira waddle in to talk them out of it.

Or call in DESTOROYAH to have a large fight with the brain kaiju while tiny model laser-tanks and fighting-jets bombard them in the distance.

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10-15-2016, 08:11 PM
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RE: Aggressive Wonderland?

I wouldn't call my wonderland (mindscape, headspace, whatever we're using this week) exactly "aggressive", a better word might be active, but all the same I have some experience with shit spawning randomly. Another difference between me and you is that I pretty much encouraged the wonderland to be as unpredictable as possible to make it feel more immersive.

Anyway that all said, it's your imagination bro. There's no secret or anything I can let you in on but the bottom line is that it's your head and if you put enough effort into it, you can control things like that. I think it's like working a muscle, if you try out wonderland stuff more and more you gain more experience and control over what's going on, even if you're like me and what you want is less control.

I think things'll work out for you I wouldn't feel spooked or anything.

We're all gonna make it brah.
10-21-2016, 01:03 AM
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