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Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
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RE: Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
So if I am reading this correctly:
1) You went to a subreddit for a disorder you don't have
2) Somehow managed to equate that disorder to being a tulpamancer
3) Got mad because its labeled a disorder even though you have no first hand experience to judge if it is or not
4) Came here and ranted because no one is listening to your self righteous campaign you decided to go on an hour ago

Yeah, I don't think anyone but you is at fault here.

We are all mad here
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RE: Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
yeah to know whether you have a coping mechanism or not you simply need to imagine your life without whatever you're consuming. if you drink alcohol socially and you would be just fine never having a drink ever again, or if it would just slightly bother you because it's fun but it wouldn't hurt how you function in life, sure, then that's not a coping mechanism.

but if you experience something that makes you feel alright and good and when you don't experience it your life suddenly turns to shit (which is what seemingly a lot of people try to pretend does not happen on /r/tulpa and other places), then that's a coping mechanism that you use, and 'your life turning to shit' doesn't mean anything extreme, after all, it doesn't take much to upset people anyway

maybe you need help, how would anyone know? it is assumed that people who immerse themselves in fantasy to obsessive levels (and look, if you're obsessed, you won't recognize that you are...) have something wrong with them, nothing 'deeply wrong' like voices in their head or anything of the type, it can range from anything like childhood abuse, trauma, anything of the type, and if you're all fine and dandy when you have a tulpa then no shit you're not going to be reminded of repressed memories, and repressed memories are exactly that, 'repressed' because you can't deal with them, doesn't mean that it holds no effect on you... i used to fucking hate my life and i had no motivation to do anything, i had a shitty childhood and i realized after some therapy that my parents caused a lot of shit for me even though i never wanted to face it, that helped me out.

nobody knows how it is for you aside for you, if you like to think that you are a world builder and that you can go on without it without your mind being ticked off or if you could go on without it just fine, then that's good for you, nobody is going to tell you what's wrong with you because they're too busy focusing on themselves.
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RE: Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
Ehh, my system tends to obsess over stuff. And we notice.

Though, I want to point out that not all things that would turn your life to shit in their absence are coping mechanisms. Your best friend. Food. Money. You spotted the wrong dividing line.

It is assumed that people who dream a lot have something wrong with them, yes. It is not a well supported position, however. Most of the arguments for reduce to prejudice, as tends to be the case when you just assume things.

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RE: Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
yeah but that's just not the same thing, we're not speaking of bare minimums to keep yourself from either dying from starvation or to keep your mind from going completely blank and suffering from stagnancy

it's not just about prejudice you can link trauma, childhood abuse, depression to evasion from reality and it's a big thing in psychology
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RE: Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
I've heard that rumour for lots of disorders. The rumour tends to die down as the disorders become better studied. But you are the first person to mention that for obsessive daydreaming.

Edit: by which I mean the first person I've met, and that the condition is caused by trauma.

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RE: Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
(05-03-2017, 08:37 AM)Regency Wrote: but if you experience something that makes you feel alright and good and when you don't experience it your life suddenly turns to shit (which is what seemingly a lot of people try to pretend does not happen on /r/tulpa and other places), then that's a coping mechanism that you use, and 'your life turning to shit' doesn't mean anything extreme, after all, it doesn't take much to upset people anyway

maybe you need help, how would anyone know? it is assumed that people who immerse themselves in fantasy to obsessive levels (and look, if you're obsessed, you won't recognize that you are...) have something wrong with them, nothing 'deeply wrong' like voices in their head or anything of the type, it can range from anything like childhood abuse, trauma, anything of the type, and if you're all fine and dandy when you have a tulpa then no shit you're not going to be reminded of repressed memories, and repressed memories are exactly that, 'repressed' because you can't deal with them, doesn't mean that it holds no effect on you... i used to fucking hate my life and i had no motivation to do anything, i had a shitty childhood and i realized after some therapy that my parents caused a lot of shit for me even though i never wanted to face it, that helped me out.

I can't imagine my life without breathing, and I don't especially like it, it's just that I like being alive, you know. Must be a coping mechanism... Jokes aside, I've met all sorts of intellectuals who think about their work all the time: scientists, writer, ect... They are considered brilliant, not crazy, despite doing weird paintings or writing books and articles very few people can understand, despite judging the world through the lens of their specialities. Those people who are passionate, how would they feel if you stripped away their passion from them?

Coping is a healthy mechanism, just look at the wikipedia page :

"The psychological coping mechanisms are commonly termed coping strategies or coping skills
. The term coping generally refers to adaptive (constructive) coping strategies. That is strategies which reduce stress. In contrast, other coping strategies may be coined as maladaptive, if they increase stress. Maladaptive coping is therefore also described, when looking at the outcome, as non-coping."

Don't assume that a behaviour is maladaptive without looking carefully at the consequences, otherwise 95% of the world population will look like they are crazy to you. Example? "nothing 'deeply wrong' like voices in their head", well http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/963545.stm

So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round;
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.

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05-03-2017, 07:34 PM
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RE: Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
"I can't imagine my life without breathing" how to miss the point 101, i already acknowledged that not everything is a coping mechanism and to go to the extent to say that everything you need that makes your life okay is a coping mechanism is simply not what i said nor would i acknowledge anything like that. if nobody is laughing but you it's probably not a joke haha

'coping' CAN be a healthy mechanism only that when it involves detachment from reality it's just not, there's no going around it

scientists and writers that have things wrong with them and their passion and creativity does not come from maladaptive daydreaming, surely, i mean for crying out-loud look at the name of it and don't act as if it's not what most would describe as an unhealthy coping mechanism

"hearing voices can be healthy" you're just giving a very soft example, of course ALL human beings have inner voices but what i meant is actually hearing the voice of another human being telling you to, say, oh i dont know hurt other people or completely isolate yourself from society, there are people with legitimate issues and you saying that 'it's not maladaptive' only adds insult to injury for them simply because those are people that need help and you're completely rationalizing their illness as if there was nothing wrong with them. people that could need help, could need medical attention won't seek it simply because you say 'it's not maladaptive' when that's just not true when you look at the consequences involved in MD

just because you use something to cope doesn't mean it's bad but when it involves detaching yourself from reality it baffles that one would argue that it's all fine and dandy
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RE: Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
I thought it was funny. Gotta lighten up a bit.

That was a good catch though, that thing about hearing voices. You can use a process of separating symptoms from pathology. Examples include fever and the flu. Or coughing and the cold.

Hearing voices is a symptom, but not a pathology. In recent studies, it is being revealed that the correlation assumed between hearing voices and psychosis is really, really, off. People have been incarcerated and involuntarily placed on antipsychotics when they have no psychotic symptoms for example, because they said they heard voices. It appears hearing voices actually correlates far, far stronger with dissociative disorders.

This has gotten so bad with messed up symptomatology in professional practise for psychosis, that people don't even use the first rank symptoms for detection anymore.

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RE: Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
(05-04-2017, 12:16 AM)Regency Wrote: "hearing voices can be healthy" you're just giving a very soft example, of course ALL human beings have inner voices but what i meant is actually hearing the voice of another human being telling you to, say, oh i dont know hurt other people or completely isolate yourself from society, there are people with legitimate issues and you saying that 'it's not maladaptive' only adds insult to injury for them simply because those are people that need help and you're completely rationalizing their illness as if there was nothing wrong with them. people that could need help, could need medical attention won't seek it simply because you say 'it's not maladaptive' when that's just not true when you look at the consequences involved in MD

Just because someone tells you to do something doesn't mean you have to do it. Unless you're a jew. And God's telling you to kill your son. He's into that sort of thing...

In my experience, all mental symptoms follow the bully effect. Ignore it, and it goes away.
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RE: Yes, I'm a tulpamancer, and no, I don't have a disorder!
Noizy didn't say hearing voices wasn't maladaptive, they literally said "Don't assume that a behaviour is maladaptive without looking carefully at the consequences". Ya can't just say it's offensive to assume that anyone who hears voices doesn't have a disorder... in a community based around exactly that

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