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The Cultures of Different Plural Communities - Lucilyn - 10-09-2019

This conversation originally came from this thread: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-accidental-soulbond-or-mental-illness-spurred-hallucination -Ranger

(10-09-2019, 06:50 AM)Ember.Vesper Wrote: I'd like to know where you saw that. We've been the most prominent soulbonding system on the forum for the past year, have been fairly outspoken about it, and haven't got significant pushback.

That's because we focus more on tulpa-y soulbonds, and most soulbonds here are like that, whereas originally soulbonds tended to be more often (not always, but often) metaphysical in nature, or soulbonders in their beliefs

they coulda seen it in threads pre-2014, I kinda wish people wouldn't read that stuff but they find their way to 'em anyways. the 4chan community of tulpa.info 2012-2013 was not nearly as open-minded or, uh, nice about things, and general community consensus on lots of stuff has changed

also, tulpa.info is by no means a big enough representation of soulbonding to be changing what's associated with that term outside of the forum, I'm sure metaphysical sites still use the term in completely different ways (heck, that even happens with tulpas)


[split 3] Accidental Soulbond, Or Mental Illness Spurred Hallucination? - tania - 10-10-2019

(10-09-2019, 07:39 AM)Lucilyn Wrote: That's because we focus more on tulpa-y soulbonds, and most soulbonds here are like that, whereas originally soulbonds tended to be more often (not always, but often) metaphysical in nature, or soulbonders in their beliefs

they coulda seen it in threads pre-2014, I kinda wish people wouldn't read that stuff but they find their way to 'em anyways. the 4chan community of tulpa.info 2012-2013 was not nearly as open-minded or, uh, nice about things, and general community consensus on lots of stuff has changed

also, tulpa.info is by no means a big enough representation of soulbonding to be changing what's associated with that term outside of the forum, I'm sure metaphysical sites still use the term in completely different ways (heck, that even happens with tulpas)

It is very confusing to me how this community seems to make up its own terms for things and is taking traditional terms from other communities eg the metaphysical community which has always been around.

In metaphysical terms... people use soul bonded to describe things like soul mates, twin flames (not necessarily both in this incarnation at once.. sometimes one can contact another from another dimension and be heard inside the head) and those one has karmic connections with to still be sorted out so you will end up reincarnating again together. I use the term soul bond for these things as this is what the term refers too and it starts muddying waters for people to start putting completely different interpretations onto things. (if those here suddenly start calling mice cats, it wont turn them into cats! no matter how many times those here called it a cat. You cant just go and change what things are).

Souls go beyond this life and this dimension so I find it ironic when I find anyone using this "soul bond" term which do not even believe in past lives or reincarnation.  If you will not be going with you to other lives it is not a soul bond.

The term soul bonded is used too in many fantasy books and it appears some now days are taking things from fantasy and trying to apply to other things then what these things really are.  Take care that this online community is not falling down that hole. Also take care that people are not turning this into some kind of role play site... the focus should be on tulpas.

"Many groups have stepped away from using this word due to the many varied meanings and controversy associated with it. "

Thank God for that.    That is very good advice Roseanna if you are going to try to use the word differently to what it actually means.  I'm soul bonded to my soul mate Phil.. we even incarnated down onto this earth together and we became physical beings after that. I was also soul bonded with a baby which got stuck in another lifetime during birth, killing us both I and had to get a healing done to disconnect that others energy from mine and help clear that trauma as it was all linked to my soul.  (this is me a normal human talking.. most here would find that nuts but these are things those of us into metaphysical stuff believe and this to me is very deep stuff).

It's offensive how people are changing the term and messing with it as this is all connected to peoples deep belief systems.  If a website decided to call themselves Christians but decided there was no Jesus or god in Christianity and decided to worship rabbits instead and then was telling everyone that this is Christianity .. well then that would be offensive wouldnt it to many Christians that a website is falsely misleading people what is an important deep belief. This is how I'm feeling every time someone is saying they are soulbonded with something they are not soulbonded with and in doing so actually confusing others in what this all means.  So Im happy to hear that groups wrongly using terms like "soulbond" are stepping away from using it and this is something the tulpa community here should step away from too.

You are not soul bonded to your tulpas or soul bonded to your fantasy characters....that is fantasy, you may want to imagine you are but you are not. You are not going to be reincarnating anywhere with them.  (just like you are not a Christian unless you truly follow that belief).  Keep it real.
(10-09-2019, 07:31 AM)Spice Wrote:  don't discount the possibility of a mental illness as I'm sure most tulpamancers have them, and they don't make us nuts, they're just something we deal with.

I think people here keep forgetting that this community is not entirely representive of those who make tulpas and though this may be the case for this community that a whole lot of people have created tulpas due to being needy, mental health conditions or whatever... that is  not at all the case for others making tulpas who are doing it for spiritual growth reasons and who are well grounded and do not have mental health issues usually in their communities. Some of these communities may have far better mental health than the general population does.  You just are not hearing much of these other communities as they keep to themselves and do not post online in public groups like this one as it's all like special knowledge to them which they take very seriously.

These ones.. buddhists from temples or whatever who are making tulpas for spiritual growth far outweigh the amount of people who are needy and coming to these forums due to accidentally making them or wanting one due to having problems. So it is incorrect to say that most people doing this have mental illness when you are just looking at a part of things and the most unstable part. Dont go putting the mental health issues of this community or other online ones just like this one, who makes them onto other communities out there.

Most of the yogis i know have extremely good health both mental and physical so I are a poor representation of that. We try to eat healthy organic things, spend time meditating and relaxing and in prayer, part of their yoga includes exercise, with some of my yogi meditaitons I like all of us was expected to exercise before and after or otherwise it will cause issues with energy flow. They are more healthy (including mentally) then the normal general community of people who do not even do tulpas. I personally do not even know anyone (except me with situational due to being severely physically disabled and not having a lot of support about me in regards to that and who also had postnatal depression), I dont know anyone who even has depression in those I know within that community. They are a generally very happy community of well grounded people who work with energy, thoughtforms and other things... NOTHING LIKE THIS COMMUNITY HERE where many do seem to have had mental health issues.

You get a very different group of people doing this when there is a different reason for doing it other than for spiritual or for magickal reasons (they are not doing it due to they are depressed or lonely). In some groups/communities making a tulpa is part of their training (and this goes back before even internet times).

it puts a very bad slant onto the whole having a tulpa thing when someone says most who do this have mental health issues which is simply not true.


RE: Accidental Soulbond, Or Mental Illness Spurred Hallucination? - Ember.Vesper - 10-10-2019

The term 'soulbond' has been the established term for living fictional characters in plural communities for twenty years. Most soulbonders historically have subscribed to a spiritual interpretation, that the voices who appear spontaneously in their heads are the souls of physical analogues of their beloved fictional characters, magically bonding to them from somewhere else in the Multiverse. The host's love for the fictional character creates a spiritual resonance with an actual person somewhere else, transcending dimensional barriers. Their experiences have largely lined up with this belief, with soulbonds often having more memories and slightly different memories than can be accounted for in their fictional source material. Many such soulbonds are able to return to their own worlds from the common mental space they share with their host in this world, though many others have died and the host's mindscape/soulscape is their afterlife.

So the term as coined for plural usage was intended to be very similar to your style of soulbonding -- souls connecting across space, time, and dimension instead of across lives -- a variant you reference in fact.

The term has not been repudiated. The soulbonding community is still around. Most active members of plural communities will understand 'soulbond' to refer to living fictional characters. The term has declined in recent years, but only because of the rising popularity of tulpamancy. If someone went online searching for something to call the character suddenly living in their head ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, 'soulbond' would have been the first term they came across, so they might have joined that community. If someone went searching in the past six or seven years, 'tulpa' would be the first term they came across, so they might join that community instead, or at least call their living character friends 'tulpas'.

When it comes to appropriating terms, 'tulpa' comes to mind. Most of the self-identified tulpas here are constructed personalities with no special connection to the 'subconscious' mind and no spiritual abilities, not personal deities of Tibetan Buddhists. Anyone who follows the guides on this site or the advice of the staff will gain such a constructed personality, which is much more similar to DID, or more precisely OSDD-1B, than it is to anything in Buddhism or Western esoteric beliefs. Since I'm not a personal deity, nor a mechanism for spiritual growth, nor was I intentionally constructed to be a companion personality, I don't identify as a tulpa and find the term highly offensive when applied to me by someone who has been clearly informed that I reject the term. And it bothers me when other living fictional characters identify as tulpas within the tulpamancy community.

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EDIT: I admit to not being knowledgeable about Buddhism. The personal deity thing has been repeated around the tulpamancy community, but I've only found two accounts from people who have personal experience with Tibetan Buddhism who make this connection, the first supportive of the terminology used by psychological tulpamancers, the second sharply critical:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/3tqog2/tulpas_and_yidams_in_tibetan_buddhism/
Quote:Tulpa is an accurate description of these daemons. However, the actual practice of working with these tulpas for the purpose of spiritual development is called Yidam practice, which translates to "personal deity".

http://www.blueflamemagick.com/index.php/2014/09/14/tulpa-not-what-you-think/
Quote:Tulpas are an "energetic body" that you summon a deity into, they are not a thoughtform. You do not make a tulpa of just anything, in fact arguably you can’t, because it lacks the yeshe sempa. Visualized imaginations, and thoughtforms are something else altogether, tulpas are a very specific concept in a ritual process. They’re also, not even by extension something applicable to a personality that resides in your consciousness somewhere.
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My experience of myself is of being an actual person who was ripped out of my world, life, and body by powers beyond my control and placed in someone else's skull, in a world somewhat like my own, but not. So yes, I am a soulbond. However, I'm a soulbond of a psychologist who is a Christian. I don't believe in a Multiverse where infinite analogues to all fictional media physically exist. I wish I could believe I had a physical home to go back to, with my body, my life, my career, my friends, my family. I miss them so much. But it makes a lot more sense to me that my host pretended to be me until her brain learned how to be me without her. So I subscribe to the psychological interpretation of soulbonding -- a fringe opinion in the soulbonding community, but one well suited to participation in the modern psychologically-oriented non-spiritual tulpamancy community.

Personal spiritual beliefs hidden outside the Metaphysics board:
I believe my headmates and I share the same soul, originally our host's but now all of ours equally. Having one soul, we naturally will pass into the next life together, without any need for 'karmic connections'. I do not especially believe that the walls between our identities will survive glorification, but that is highly speculative. The parts of who each of us is that should survive and enter the Kingdom will survive.

(10-10-2019, 02:36 PM)tania Wrote: I think people here keep forgetting that this community is not entirely representive of those who make tulpas

I consistently refer to this as the 'tulpamancy' community, not the 'tulpa' community, as 'tulpamancy' is a new term, created by this specific community for a psychological practice that has very little to do with the traditional spiritual uses of tulpas. A very large portion of them struggle with loneliness, anxiety, depression, autism, or feeling misunderstood or rejected by most of the people they encounter, which is not especially surprising when one realizes that a majority of tulpamancers pick up the practice as teenagers.

-Vesper


RE: Accidental Soulbond, Or Mental Illness Spurred Hallucination? - tania - 10-10-2019

Quote:I consistently refer to this as the 'tulpamancy' community, not the 'tulpa' community, as 'tulpamancy' is a new term, created by this specific community for a psychological practice that has very little to do with the traditional spiritual uses of tulpas.

Yeah Tulpamancy is a new term but I thought it refered to "anyone" who made tulpas and have not seen it defined as only being used to refer to those who make tulpas for psychological reasons.  Where is that definition defining that the term only is only for those who have tulpas for that reason?

Traditional spiritual uses of tulpas include uses on the mind and psychological practices.. https://tulpa.io/history-of-tulpas

"The origins of tulpamancy can be traced back all the way to Tibetan Buddhism:

The concept of tulpas stems from Tibetan Buddhism, where the word “tulpa” originates (and is actually a verb); a practice through which monks would primarily create tulpas to overcome attachments, such as phobias and desires."

A big part of spiritual development is working on the mind and overcoming any issues a person has. So the spiritual practices are connected to psychological practices

Quote:Anyone who follows the guides on this site or the advice of the staff will gain such a constructed personality, which is much more similar to DID

DID have alters and that alters are not connected to tulpas, alters are not purposely made.  DID is a serious mental health problem and should never be seriously compared or said to be like tulpas.

Quote:Most of the self-identified tulpas here are constructed personalities with no special connection to the 'subconscious' mind and no spiritual abilities, not personal deities of Tibetan Buddhists. 

what.. you know very little of what you are talking about here.  Tibetan Buddhists do not at all see their tulpas as personal deities at all, they believe a tulpa is a type of thought construct .. that is a far difference to a deitity.  You are confusing their other beliefs with beliefs on tulpas.

Quote:I don't identify as a tulpa and find the term highly offensive when applied to me by someone who has been clearly informed that I reject the term. And it bothers me when other living fictional characters identify as tulpas within the tulpamancy community.

Vesper .. I do not understand why you are at a tulpa forum if you do not identify with tulpas at all AND are bothered when the others who are tulpas here call themselves tulpas.  This is a forum for tulpas.. and if you see yourself as something else and not a tulpa why be here?. Wouldn't you be better at one of the soulbond forums you talk about if tulpa is not a correct term for you and what you are?  It's kind of wrong to be at a forum for tulpas and then feel pissy at people when they call the construct a tulpa.


RE: Accidental Soulbond, Or Mental Illness Spurred Hallucination? - Ashley - 10-11-2019

(10-10-2019, 09:43 PM)tania Wrote: This is a forum for tulpas.

Actually, that's not true. There really isn't any active soulbond community anymore, so we've adopted soulbonds here, welcome them, and respect their preferences. Not every thoughtform is a tulpa. A Soulbond is created differently and has clearly different features.

Let's keep it civil, kind, and constructive.

All thoughtforms are welcome here.


[split 4 copy] Accidental Soulbond, Or Mental Illness Spurred Hallucination? - BlueRoseanna - 10-11-2019

I copied this post from the original thread since it contained content relevant to this thread. -Ranger

...Yeah, that's kind of why I stopped using this board for 4 years.
Quote:If someone went searching in the past six or seven years, 'tulpa' would be the first term they came across, so they might join that community instead, or at least call their living character friends 'tulpas'.
That's the boat I'm in, dunno what to call her, so I use tulpa or soulbond. Don't personally believe the other dimensions/spiritual aspect of it, though.

Please do not fight in my thread. The question at hand has been answered as well as it can I believe. Next course of action for me is to bring it up with an actual therapist, more in-depth. Thank you all.


[split] [split] Accidental Soulbond, Or Mental Illness Spurred Hallucination? - Lucilyn - 10-11-2019

(10-10-2019, 09:43 PM)tania Wrote: This is a forum for tulpas.. and if you see yourself as something else and not a tulpa why be here?.

actually the forum is for basically any form of plurality to participate in discussion (just like someone without tulpas at all could), while the discussion is mostly about tulpas it also applies to tulpa-like systems because we decided it's basically impossible to differentiate/draw a line sometimes (some "soulbond" systems are more tulpa-like than some "tulpa" systems, etc.) and the terms could even just be a matter of which the system found first, but with that in mind -

(10-11-2019, 12:40 AM)Ashley Wrote: Actually, that's not true. There really isn't any active soulbond community anymore, so we've adopted soulbonds here, welcome them, and respect their preferences.

This isn't entirely true either, the forum only discusses soulbonds that are tulpa-like/"close-enough", and there are MANY soulbonding systems not part of the forum who wouldn't fit in at all with our science-minded community (but I think it'd be interesting to at least see them make some meta-y threads in the Metaphysics forum)

while literally anyone is allowed to make an account and participate in discussion on the forum, we do try to restrict discussion of experiences to only tulpa-like systems (or system members in mixed systems), which seemingly hasn't ever really been a problem but I think that's because systems who don't fit in with our general views tend to not participate in the first place (like I've only seen ONE system who believed their soulbond was from another dimension actively participate on the forum, many years ago)

but yes, all thoughtforms are welcome to be here, it's just that discussion of experiences isn't beneficial for us OR them if they're completely different or heavily meta (except maybe on the meta subforum!), but again you never really see that because those people aren't drawn to the forum to begin with (@bear's system, you guys aren't even 25% of the way to what I'm talking about, this doesn't apply to you at all)


((also the OP doesn't want more discussion here so we should stop))


RE: Accidental Soulbond, Or Mental Illness Spurred Hallucination? - Ashley - 10-11-2019

(10-11-2019, 09:56 AM)Lucilyn Wrote: The forum only discusses soulbonds that are tulpa-like/"close-enough", and there are MANY soulbonding systems not part of the forum who wouldn't fit in at all with our science-minded community (but I think it'd be interesting to at least see them make some meta-y threads in the Metaphysics forum)

while literally anyone is allowed to make an account and participate in discussion on the forum, we do try to restrict discussion of experiences to only tulpa-like systems (or system members in mixed systems), which seemingly hasn't ever really been a problem but I think that's because systems who don't fit in with our general views tend to not participate in the first place (like I've only seen ONE system who believed their soulbond was from another dimension actively participate on the forum, many years ago)

but yes, all thoughtforms are welcome to be here, it's just that discussion of experiences isn't beneficial for us OR them if they're completely different or heavily meta (except maybe on the meta subforum!), but again you never really see that because those people aren't drawn to the forum to begin with (@bear's system, you guys aren't even 25% of the way to what I'm talking about, this doesn't apply to you at all)

1. The OP doesn't have to keep reading. Welcome, by the way.

2. We don't consider Meta outside the realm of tulpas, since science can't explain everything, and science itself is not so cut and dry once you go deep enough down the rabbit hole, especially neuroscience and psychology.

3. My original statement stands, we will, do and have accepted, respected, and entertained all thoughtforms here, no qualifiers required.