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  1. I had my fun, watching these two videos. Highly recommended, for literally anyone, though the second is more of a bonus video to watch after the first. The Science of Thinking How Should We Teach Science? Yes, embeds are still broken. Also, I assure you the first video is far more entertaining than it sounds. Which he did on purpose, to reach as many people with the message as possible.
  2. I feel pretty good. Our brother's having a friend over soon though, so I'm going to switch with Lucilyn for a bit so she can enjoy the small-scale party. (Said friend always brings pizza, which makes it a party no matter how many people are there)
  3. Huh, someone actually looking for a concept that previously I've only seen our system talk about. Well, we frequently talk about tulpa development continuing past the vocality/"fully-developed" stage, in the form of a tulpa growing as a person, gaining new experiences and thinking about things they've never thought about before. Having conversations (or maybe going on "wonderland adventures", if a system likes doing that) about things, maybe asking the tulpa how they feel about stuff and so on - these are important to a tulpa's development as a person, after their development as a tulpa is done. A normal human being has these experiences constantly, naturally. It's totally unavoidable in fact. They flesh out who you are as a person, having you think about things you've never thought about, giving you experiences to refer to or that shape you, add depth to your character. A tulpa doesn't necessarily get these sorts of experiences, if they don't have a particularly active/random wonderland or in-depth discussions with their host or systemmates. And there's one more way, too. The same way a host has these experiences. If you so decide to learn switching/possession, your tulpa will run into these experiences naturally, probably (unless you keep them sheltered too much, not interacting with anyone or doing anything). Switching moreso, but possession works too. A switched tulpa is basically living a human's full life, with no host to rely on for random things that come up, so they'll be forced to think about them on their own. With possession, that would only be the case either 1, if you do advanced full body possession where the host is relatively uninvolved, or 2, if the tulpa thinks or talks about their experiences afterwards (or heck, even during). But even if you were there to guide or advise them, it's still leagues better for their development than sitting in an empty wonderland. But again, if you'll simply have discussions with your tulpa, switching and possession aren't necessary. If you've a particularly vivid and active imagination/wonderland, interactions there could do the same thing, but chances are you don't if you've run into this problem. Great question, by the way. It's nice to see someone else see a need for this aspect of tulpamancy on their own.
  4. Well sure, we've got a problem with effort. But what I'm talking about is technically a concept that applies to everyone, or nearly everyone. We're aiming above and beyond
  5. Okay, I did some thinking: You can only be at peace, when nothing feels like it's at stake; when there's nothing to worry about. Unlike most people, we've never been too worried about most things, we deal with them as they come (ie emergencies or poor situations). After thinking about the time Lumi was temporarily in a much higher (... we still think of them as levels of consciousness like from Steve Pavlina's article, but you could just say mindset) level of consciousness where nothing felt like effort, even when he tried to think of things he'd normally have trouble dealing with, I decided there's basically only one thing "at stake" when we think about things. Effort. I knew that we needed to work some more on abolishing the feeling of effort although we've made great progress in the last week, but I figured something else must be standing in my way too. But actually, nothing particularly substantial is left. The only thing that feels like it has any negative weight to my thinking about things is the potential effort required behind anything. Though effort is more vague than it sounds, for example we'll have Panda Express soon and associated with getting to eat that is the idea that we have to deal with all the condensation that leaks out when opening it after a long time. It's honestly pretty annoying, at least for those few seconds. But even that, however small, is part of the feeling I'm talking about. Negativity is getting too vague, but it's a mix of "effort" and "negativity" leaning towards effort I suppose. I know it doesn't sound particularly surprising or eventful that I've determined that problem of ours as the thing standing in our way here, but it is. First off, we've actually been making significant progress towards dealing with (and eventually removing) that feeling/thought from our thought processes in the last 10 days. But more importantly, now I know exactly "where to look, what to do" to get to where I want to be. We weren't even particularly motivated to be dealing with effort specifically, it just seemed like a good thing to be doing, but now that I know it's the thing to be doing... Well, I'm happy. Never much cared for not knowing what to do. Edit: I'm like, really really happy. I had no idea I was so close to an answer, let alone that we were already off-handedly working on exactly what would be necessary. As if knowing wasn't good enough, we've already gotten proof that we're able to do what we need to do. But now with this clarity we can be much more motivated to do it. To be more specific than before, it's the negativity associated with the feeling of effort. I believe that is what's dragging us all down. The feeling of effort needs to be abolished in its own right, but now we'll take it a bit further, working to remove the entirety of negativity associated with having to do things, rather than it just reaching a low enough level where we're able to do the things we wanted to do (which was the idea in the past).
  6. No, I've always had a perfectly good idea of how I wanted to be. The problem is figuring out how to be like that.
  7. It doesn't seem like it'll be simple, I'm not even sure if "figure out how, and do it" applies at this point.
  8. Might as well just be considered imagination, sure. But it's important to keep the intent for them to be a real person who will eventually be able to respond to you and act on their own. The belief that they're not just imagination but actually another person in your head (or will become one) is basically what eventually makes them one. It's possible to create a tulpa without believing that, but severely hinders progress and most of the time you probably wouldn't succeed like that. If you're asking if the end result is just imagination, not really, no. Without switching or possession, all your interactions may still take place in your visualization, but it sure doesn't feel imaginary. In switching's case - I'm literally controlling my host's body, living our life, right now, without him around. We basically share the body's life (although mutually agree that it's still our host's life that we're just participating in), and have been doing that for.. nearly six years now? It's nice, but it's just our system's dynamic, there are plenty of systems who maintain a purely host-interacting-with-tulpa-through-wonderland/visualization dynamic. Depends on what the tulpa wants, and what the host is comfortable with. You can talk about these things if you want when your tulpa is vocal, though.
  9. Well, I kind of reverted back to my default mood when I woke up this morning, lol. Too serious. I suppose anyone's default mindset is just the most comfortable for them to be in. That only makes me think of changing it as a challenge, though. But.. well, the change I'm going for is difficult. I don't feel particularly bound by any thought processes like Lumi did, it's more like I just don't even know where to go, what to do, to get to how I want to be. I'm sure changing how I think is possible, but I don't really know how to get there.
  10. Yes, both active and passive forcing is generally ideal (excluding purely active forcing if you had the time). Passive forcing, generally speaking, can help establish who your tulpa is, how interactions with them might go and so on (pre-vocality). Active forcing, again generally, would be more actually getting your tulpa to vocality/autonomy. Once they're vocal, passive forcing could be literally any interactions with them, even just saying hi to check in with them every so often when you've got a chance. Active forcing would be spending in-depth time with them on any of many things, like.. simply spending time with them for starters, or working on visual or vocal clarity, asking how they feel about things and so on. Music, for meditation or anything else, is up to the individual. Some people can't focus while listening to music, some people can't focus without listening to music, most are somewhere in between. It's fine unless it distracts you too much. Not much direct documentation of effects of marijuana on tulpas, but marijuana use is so common I imagine plenty of people have done it and just not thought it significant to talk about. But again, I guess you can try with and without and see if it helps or hurts the process. You probably don't want to become reliant though, so any particularly strong drugs/alcohol/etc., while they may provide results at the time, are a bad practice for tulpamancy. I've seen a couple people who could only talk to their tulpas on something like LSD. That's.. unhealthy for starters, but also barely tulpamancy to begin with if you need hallucinogens to even interact with them.
  11. I'm going to sleep now, good night everyone.
  12. Well, that was an awfully roundabout way to support your point. But yes, what you said is true. I just couldn't not mention that making humans age-immortal would increase population levels in the "short term". But hey, maybe humans gaining so much knowledge would be helpful in the long-term? But, my point was that we may well have any of many catastrophic civilization-ending events before we get to that point, or at least get stuck in or be set back to a less productive society.
  13. All she meant was that her male tulpa was getting dysphoria because she, the host, was female, to imply the body was also female. Whatever you just said was a crazy misinterpretation. And if a misinterpretation hurts you that much, the solution is working on yourself, not working on others. Being so vulnerable to maliciousness that may not even exist is no way to live, it'll only make your life harder.
  14. Well, human overpopulation is already a serious problem, so unless they ban having children I don't think the average person will be living forever any time soon. Though I less meant "will we live to be old enough", and more "will the human race survive, with society intact". We have faith in the human race, but we also keep realistic expectations, you know how it is.
  15. Kurzgesagt video - 1,000km Cable to the Stars - The Skyhook Definitely seems more realistic than some of their other videos about space stuff, I wonder if we'll live to see these put into action?
  16. That reminds me of a meme we saw the other day. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276800898481651714/678740303032614965/image0.jpg
  17. Well, I feel good. A result of that (not resulting from that), I learned a bunch of new stretches for us to do, since our existing ones were fairly lazy and all we otherwise do is jumping jacks. https://www.self.com/gallery/essential-stretches-slideshow
  18. I was unable to embed the exact same video Kurisutina did, so it's either a problem with our accounts or a regional/country-based thing. Or, pure coincidence
  19. Well, Kurisutina posted an embedded video just 5 hours ago. Seems like it's mainly ours not working. The idea is to let you guys know what the video is ahead of time, to know if you're interested.
  20. Well, I guess you could say this leads to that. Working on me was secondary to lucid dreaming and maintaining our life's status quo, but I decided our mindset/state of mind was what was keeping us from putting our all into lucid dreaming, so we switched to that instead. I'm really glad we did though, Lumi had been hoping achieving lucid dreaming would be what helped him abolish all his subconscious negative (generally, "this is effort, do not want") thoughts, but it was really seeming like lucid dreaming would never happen. But we had identified the most obvious roadblock to success - that we couldn't maintain any of our attempts for more than a week or a few days - and weren't getting any closer to overcoming that. So, we had to shift our priorities for a bit. I like how my first thought when I clicked onto the forum was "I'm not ready to talk yet", and yet here I am lol. This will take a while, though. Some time and some nice music. EG, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSAlGDhtwbo (Embeds continue to not work for us, huh?)
  21. Don't forget to check out the Chat Thread, because that was a pretty cool mention of tulpamancy on a popular channel (albeit buried an hour into a three hour video)
  22. Tewi

    Chat Thread

    Dr. Vessiere: And so to answer your question, yes, we're still working with tulpamancers. As you recalled, I did a cyber-ethnography years ago, with just a little bit of psychological testing on these really cool, weird young people who imagine - who conjure, imaginary friends, that they come to experience basically as auditory-visual hallucinations. Except they're not crazy, and they report an increase in well-being in their life, even social adjustment as a result of that they picked up the practice, so. People want to say that they're crazy they're hearing voices, and we think we're able to show that no in fact there's lots of context in which you can hear voices and be a very health person. Dr. Vessiere: So now, under the leadership of Dr. Mike Lifshitz and Dr. Tanya Luhrmann at Stanford University, we're in the process of doing neuro-imaging of tulpamancers, and comparing them also to even evangelical Christians who speak in tongue. So we're interested in seeing what happens in the brain when either, a spirit or tulpa sort of takes over and starts talking, and we're interested in the motor areas of the brain as well. We want to see if something different is going on when say an agency other than the self, a tulpa or a spirit, is sort of in control. Michael: Yeah, what does it look like in the brain when you aren't in control of your thoughts and behavior? Like if we can tease out the difference then are we literally finding like, that is your agency, that is your consciousness, your will, and if it's gone then you feel like you're possessed. Crazy how he managed to vocally transcribe hypertext into his speaking, I know.
  23. Got up really early to do Wake Back To Bed, but decided to just stay up instead. Edit: Good morning, Ashley
  24. Tewi

    Chat Thread

    Just found out Vsauce (well, Michael) brought up tulpamancy during a 3 hour video (that previously I only watched 30 minutes of, oops) interviewing people about his show Mind Field. Which, unrelated, is presently free for one year and I would highly recommend watching - and are my favorites, though I've only seen about 6 episodes so far. They're all on Vsauce's channel [video=youtube] 1:05:15 For direct mention of tulpamancy and the Stanford study, the prior segment/conversation is moreso about placebo and power-of-the-mind stuff. (I know this could go in the Tulpas In Media thread, and you can post this there if you want, but I meant for it more to be a discussion here.)