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  1. To create another angle at what Linkzelda is talking about: - Instrumentality, the thing that serves as an instrument or means to an end, can create a sense of anxiety when applied inwardly because naturally, one gets into existential questioning – like, “Who am I?” “Why am I capable of being sentient over time? “How is it that I have continuity over time vs. other thought-forms, whether in dreams, or in simple imagination in everyday day life?” “Is it my physicality, auto-biographical context (e.g. one’s past experiential cases), etc.?” - Applying anti-natalist virtues inwardly in this only fuels this line of thinking that may lead to a negative reaction instead. The questions are more of a thesis, and how a person reacts seems to be a collective presumption of how to assess themselves in the world. With the ideology of anti-natalism and its strive to prevent suffering among sentient creatures in general (e.g. the rat race of having some kind of upkeep in life with others, themselves, or just goals in general having a potential of suffering), it creates this type of dead-end that creates more confusion because the brain has tendencies to unconditionally pump novel experiences to us (e.g. how it someone is structured in a way to where we have subjectivity, and such). - And when one goes deeper into this, they’re trying to figure out, in a way, of how to become their unconscious mind. But, this raises the question in figuring out what’s operating that person in being able to do something like that. In other words, the line of questioning leads to figuring out what it means to be the backoffice of the mind when one can’t really personify this backoffice; just in metaphorical terms, not literal ones where it can be easy to point where such and such creates XYZ (e.g. sentience). - And the thought of dissipation, IMO, when applied with this ideology becomes even more difficult because the whole strive of suffering comes into play of how the person who may end up doing it has to deal with the aftermath of it all. Because to try to figure out if a tulpa-in-question would have a painful experience is to correlate this to one’s physicality somehow being affected by this similar to death. - And yet, this becomes confusing because now one is playing with their imagination of wondering what it means to be both dead and alive at the same time; some weird quantum mangling of stuff beyond human comprehension. And maybe we’re not supposed to really figure out what allows us to continually have an identity/self because we just can’t become the unconscious mind. Because the concepts are merely representations of how the brain does XYZ, but those representations shouldn’t be considered as the actualized, empirical way to somehow control one’s unconscious mind with the blink of an eye. It just leads to a dead-end.
  2. You have a lot of questions, but I’ll categorize some opinions me, and the other two companions in the head we share have towards that: Dissipation & Reconciling With A Forgotten Tulpa-In-Question This can be quite a controversial topic to discuss about, and even come to terms with on an equal footing because everyone can do whatever they want with their everyday cognition and subjectivity. The idea of trying to reconcile with a forgotten tulpa-in-question is, in our opinion, to set up a mirror in front of you, and questioning if you can pick up from where you started, and becoming a ‘hero’ in overcoming that dead-end we reach sometimes in trying to come to terms with using whatever intellect we have. If you feel inclined that the novelty has worn off, and that it would be hard to reconcile with that in your virtue of ‘treating them as sentient,’ or what have you, then stand by it. If you see something different, then stand by it. No need to say things to the tulpa-in-question that you’ll regret as soon as it leaves your lips. And even if that happens, just take ownership of what you said, and realize whatever flaws may come by with that, and keep moving forward. Theological/Religious Upbringing and Defiance from It We’re more secular, but the host has a religious background that he’s deviated from for a long time, now. So, he has some experiential context to relate to you on that. So, in your question of figuring out what’s the right course of action, or what you need to learn before getting back into it is that irrespective of what you learn, IMO, it’s still a progressive learning curve, in some shape or form. A lot of these questions we see tend to emphasize on the intellect of the individual, and them questioning how they should go about using that intellect. Because, maybe, they felt they were paralyzed by said intellect, and just needed as societal collection of opinions as potential fallbacks. Especially in regards to your escape from certain theological rooting, you end up losing a bit of yourself because you projected so much of yourself towards those ideologies. This isn’t to say what you did was right or wrong, but just know that it, IMO, is okay to not know what the hell is wrong or right anymore. It’s rough, especially after that transition, but now that you’re fixated on endeavors towards self-progression, inner peace, and such, just know that figuring out how to embrace one’s intellect takes time. No need to feel as if you have to know the totality of tulpamancy to figure out ‘how one ought to treat a tulpa as sentient.’ Leaving The Tulpa Community Because of XYZ If you think you should leave the community solely because of failures, then you’re, IMO, probably looking at the collective agenda completely differently. This community is founded upon failures, dogmas, criticism, pseudoscience, and various inconsistencies, but through it all, people find a way to share information to reach a common ground from this. I’m not sure if there exists a member that can truly have the title of ‘holier than thou.’ And Linkzelda, the host, would be lying if he said he never made a mistake, or went through failure in this journey. Unconditional positive reinforcement, taking ownership of your actions along with being aware of those potentials, and moving forward towards a collective, self-progression with the tulpa-in-question will be a road filled with failures. It will happen at some point, but you can remember the lessons along the way. Just don’t forget. This is also speaking in regards towards our own opinion of the community, which was quite hateful, but it’s one of those situations where if you leave, it’s probably because one has accepted the realization that irrespective of a collective, societal opinion on tulpas, no one can really access your subjectivity, rewire your schemata of life with them, and dictate what you should do in life. Most members, IMO, that tend to leave, isn’t exclusive towards failures, but mostly figuring out their own means of inner peace because they felt the community wasn’t enough to create a fallback. Or, they may have created a fallback, but they had the idea that they have to get out of the existential neurosis, i.e., wondering how one can take responsibility in their lives, and move forward from there. Possession A common activity we tend to do is actually in the shower where the host would imagine certain movements, and naturally, we seem to follow suit in the mental representation of a specific action we collective may want to mix around in. The actual sound of water hitting against the body is a useful noise for us to really feel at ease, along with the privacy that comes with bathrooms in general. Of course, this is just one circumstance for one situation. But what I’m getting at here is that this apprehension you have with possession is probably due to how you may feel you’re still in that ‘valley of the suck.’ Where you feel you’re not making progress, but it’s about taking those small moments to develop experiential context over time. And, what we realized with possession and switching is figuring out activities that allows one to find continuity in both the consistencies and inconsistencies in their mind because the brain always tries to find continuity in the entropic nature of the reality we assume to be conscious evaluators. In other words, practice makes perfect, but rather the type of practice to emphasizes on finding continuity, your own symbolism, and your own reference point in these endeavors. I know the word ‘time’ is a little hard to swallow, and is mediocre advice at best, but how does one expect to suddenly have a tulpa become masterful at possession, or even switching without stacking up those experiential cases, and actually having novelty in the little things?
  3. 4-14-2017 Image Streaming Session 1 Hour 52 Minutes [video=youtube] Pastebin Link: https://pastebin.com/9wegp23c (10,848 words); but there were more words that would've been processed if he did dictation mode only instead like he did before. Oh well, it's like 'Whose Line Is It, Anyway?' except this time, the word count doesn't really matter; it's just a reference point. Don't want anyone thinking this is creating a fear equivalent to hour counts with word counts (e.g. 'Oh no, mi tulpa will die because I couldn't do the 15k threshold in 2 hours!?!') So, one thing he forgot to do before this was setting the program to Dictation Mode only. By default, it’s dictation + commands. This was what offset the experience a bit because in the middle of it, it just showed up some random screen to save the content, and then 8 minutes before the session was done, it selected all the text processed so far, and told us that it couldn’t change all of the text. Which means it didn’t process a good chunk of words as it only recorded 10,848 words. We know the session had more words than that, but we don’t want anyone to think that it’s the end of the world just because of a little mishap. Just have to get used to changing settings every time for consistency. So, the thing that was happening mostly in the session was me being in an environment, or several, in the Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. We beat the final bosses several times already, but decided to go in the minor landscapes that ended off with us transitioning to larger landscapes, but ultimately, we couldn’t have enough time within the 2 hour attempt to grasp it all. Like, we probably just fixated on 2 of the many locations in this open world game in our heads. I was the active participant that he was tulpaforcing in replacement of Link. It’s scary how in 2 hours, we only went in detail of like a small percentage, like less than 1% of the surroundings in the game. I was facing off what seemed to be a White Lynel in the game, which is ironically harder than the boss at times. Next, we faced off a guardian, and then when through a nostalgia trip in his geography class in high school long ago. Then, I transitioned into some weird library that seems pretty chill, and then he went out to ramble on to feelings, which still counts as it’s not exclusive to just images. It’s just going apeshit crazy in describing whatever comes to mind. Two hours in, even though it’s 1 hour and 52 minutes involved a bit of debriefing, but we couldn’t go over the 15 pages of content that quickly. He will go over it when he wakes up. Also, somewhere in between I was fiddling around some software programs like a 2D animation one and digital painting software within the experience. It was actually kind of cool to an object I could draw over, but we have a ways to go to see if this can actually happen with the eyes opened up; if that happens, then hello concept character art palooza! It seems Breath of the Wild is truly grandiose, and the experiential learning we had over it, along with how our mind can create another outtake on it might actually be a major benchmark for sandbox experience; especially if we need it as filler to image streaming stuff about. We may have to resort to compiling some themes to go back so that for each our, we squeeze as much description for certain events, and most importantly, reveling in as much of experiences as possible; even the minor ones. Because it’s those minor ones that primes the vividness for future exploration. But man, we poured in 75hours into breath of the wild in the actual game, and those 2 hours just felt like what would just be half an hour experiences, honestly. That’s crazy, man. The mind is always buzzing with things for us to fixate about! This is CRAZY!!!! But really, we have to figure out themes to compile later on for longer sessions, hopefully to prevent ourselves from being a little bored by not having much continuity to go on. It was literally the SWE technique where you just get in there, and worked with what you have that progressively gets better.
  4. Thanks, but we realized he would've ended up putting the response in this thread since it was associated to existentialism heroism.
  5. I think Linkzelda forgot he was posting in that other thread he made to get some quick reference to use for the OP in this thread. Here's his opinion to the OP:
  6. We just realized we responded in the wrong thread. LOL
  7. I remember a long time ago where there was a thread asking if someone can 'create' another tulpa within another person's mind. I think whatever was stated back then, is that whatever people want to believe, the person, themselves, would exclusively be creating the tulpa. The only thing that would make it seem like another person helped them out is because the person intending to create the tulpa, or imposing them was suggestive to the responses from the hypnotists. In other words, they would ultimately have to be submissive towards the help to actually help themselves. But treating a tulpa as sentient isn't as easy as having someone else do it for you. It's one thing for a person to help motivate you to visualize more, and to be your meditating buddy, but it's another to where you assume that individual has direct access to your subjectivity, and can map things out for you. It's unrealistic, IMO.
  8. I don't know that. Though, I'd imagine that whatever a tulpa wants to identify themselves as- if they were to switch and interact with another person, that person would still acknowledge them as a person, but they just don't know there's another 'self' in that equation. It's not about the other person saying the person they're talking to is a person, but the tulpa, unbeknownst to them, was still acknowledged indirectly. If that makes any sense?
  9. I'm well aware of the probabilities that inner peace, and how it's obtained, realized, and actualized within a person's subjectivity will vary person to person. I guess I come as matter-of-fact-ly, and I apologize for that; this wasn't my intention. I'm guessing you were slightly intimated by this, especially when before in previous conversations you had with Linkzelda, he continually pushed some philosophical agenda that one cannot assume they can create objective facts, or whatever without first acknowledging that they are essentially intertwined with their own subjectivity.
  10. Physicality.....it's one way for people to identify that the person they're talking to is real. But when a sense of otherness with a tulpa shares that physicality (via possession and/or switching), nothing would change to others because they'd still just be people. But isn't that beautiful in of itself? It would only validate to a tulpa, personally, that in spite of not being acknowledged for being a tulpa, they can be seen as people. A sentient being; someone another person acknowledges as sentient, even though said person cannot confirm if there's another personhood, or continuity of self. But so what? It's all inclusive anyway, IMO. I see this as a tulpa finding inner peace.
  11. Just in case no one gets the bigger picture behind Linkzelda's post...I'm assuming that the only thing he'd be sacrificing is the human condition in fearing that all personal interactions with others in his life will end up in dust. It sounds more like an incentive rather than seeing it as letting go of your tulpas like Ash does with his Pokemon just to make people feel at ease. Because it's a distraction from the fact that at the end of the day, people can put up a front to make the critics feel at ease, and still revel in the ideation of tulpas. In a way, it's beneficial that human cognition has yet to make any advancements on consciousness, and how to empirically analyze it along with harmonizing with the hard problems with consciousness in general. Of course, his opinion seems kind of cutthroat, and more of taking advantage of the liberation a person can have with their subjectivity, but, you do what you gotta do. When people tell you how to deal with your own inner turmoil even though they can't access it, what's the point in distracting drama with the human condition?
  12. If you want to feel tulpas can do what servitors can do plus your thoughts: - If one presumes servitors lack sentience in some way, then most tasks they, the host, wishes them to accomplish would entail conscious awareness of applying things into context. - If this is the case, then servitors that lack sentience, or are defined that way can't really be treated as sentient. - If this is the case, treating a servitor as being capable of doing tasks that require a conscious valuator is probably treating them as p-zombies instead. - A more pragmatic thing to ask is if servitors can do what tulpas can do, IMO, because at some level with treating a tulpa as sentient, there is an assumption that they can perform tasks in some way that will require conscious fixation on to some level. Servitors, IMO, seem more like a thought experiment for p-zombies rather than being a practical concept; unless the person treats them as sentient, but not sapient in some way....but that makes things more ambiguous as to what tasks require no sapience, or this, or XYZ.
  13. Here’s my opinion on your concern: I feel you’re using that term, compulsive fantasy, as a way to funnel your frustrations as to why you seem to have the inability to create, or rather, develop a tulpa all these years. You revel in this idea that, ‘it would be great if what I do could be done on command and in a consistent way,’ but ironically, I think you’re probably proficient in some way. And here’s why. The more you combine that term along with whatever virtues you pursue in what validates a tulpa as a tulpa, to you, the more disconnected you’re going to feel from actually figuring out what that means (what makes a tulpa, a tulpa to you); the more it makes you think, ‘what good are my powers/competency if I can’t use them when I need to?’ And let’s say you were able to satisfy that inability to do said goal of compulsive fantasy – does it suddenly provide all the answers to you on what makes a tulpa, a tulpa to where you feel assured you’re even creating one? What does a neurological phenomenon in your brain to create imagination have to do with validating whether or not you have a tulpa? It’s so ironic that people think that being able to tap into an imaginative state of being with their mind is the only correlation they can utilize with tulpas. To think, that a sentient being as yourself, wonders why they’re such a failure in creating a tulpa; someone who has a desire for something like any other sentient being to even be beings of desire is having such a hard time being assured that they’re having progress with creating and interacting with a tulpa. Sure, it’s one thing to use our imagination, and whatever modes of experiencing it to supplement this strive to treat a tulpa as sentient, or whatever virtue the person has in mind. But it’s another to where you let one term to describe some mental phenomenon in your head be this obstacle that prevents you from doing the things you could only hope of achieving. And I’m sure you’re also analyzing other people’s progress, and even though we can’t have direct third-person access to each other’s subjectivity, you feel somewhat intimated by how people conceptualize success and progress with a tulpa they presume to be treated as sentient. This just goes to show that treating a tulpa as sentient entails having to investigate what makes humans sentient, and even sapient vs. a living organism that may not having as a complex nervous system. That investigation involves a bit of philosophy, but because philosophy can be hard for some people, enduring the day in and day out of life while having a progressively open mindset in another potentially sentient entity in your head can end up being mentally exhausting. A compulsive fantasy doesn’t suddenly give you closure over what it means for a tulpa to be sentient. Nor does it serve as an end-all be-all way to validate to you that the tulpa-in-question is such an entity. You only have yourself to blame. This isn’t meant to attack you, but just to raise awareness that if people are demystified as to why they can’t get any progress, even though they’ve had experiential learning and memories of being a sentient entity, it shouldn’t be too surprising why they feel like failures. They failed to acknowledge what they had to go through, and how they developed this confidence that they had one continuity of self all their lives; seeing an ‘otherness,’ or another potential continuity of self that can be as single-minded as them in terms of desires and self-actualizing. Compulsive fantasy, or entering that mode of imagination, and others, doesn’t make you magically figure out what it means to be sentient. It can be a way to interact with a tulpa, but what good is that when that existential mirror on the side isn’t put up for you to reflect on to see if there is an ‘otherness’ to interact with?
  14. I don't think learning to deal with trauma with other headmates is exclusive to one, or another community. I figure it would be about applying whatever experiential context a person had with trauma in general, and just realizing it's more self-centered towards building some kind of rapport again. If you're willing to go to such lengths to know what really happen, and they're constantly shrugging you off, it might not really be the time to be emotionally prepared for it. Don't get me wrong, we all have to face our inner demons with certain events at some point, but at the same time, you have to wonder if the situation itself is going to actually improve whatever dynamic you may have with them? If anything, I can only see whatever acknowledgment they give to you leading to more resentment and apologetic conversations, but I don't know what's really going to happen. Maybe if you get more experiential context with them, your emotional resilience will be at a higher threshold, and maybe she could bare herself towards whatever event happened back then.