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  1. Images arise kinda automatically here. If I'm thinking about something, I'll claim credit for the images that arise. If my tulpa is thinking about something, they'll claim credit. My tulpa realized at some point that they weren't creating the image, it was being served up to them by the unconscious and they could decide whether they wanted to go with that image or not. At the time they were thinking about what they wanted their personal wonderland to look like. If you're asking your young tulpa to show you something, the image that arises may not be from her. You may assign ownership to her if you want to. I might recommend asking her to think about something in a little more detail and then accept what comes from that as her. Like, ask her to think a little more about what her form looks like, that should require more than a simple instant image from the unconscious. This advice is based on how mental imagery works for us, so it may not apply for everyone. When your tulpa is thinking, you should feel the thought process they're going through the way you feel your own thought process and intentions.
  2. Raw thought is pure meaning/understanding. Language is using symbols to covey that meaning. The sounds and appearances of the words themselves are arbitrary, but we agree they mean certain things, and our brain maps the words to meaning. Haven't you ever encountered a situation and just understood what was going on without/before describing it to yourself in words? Or looked at someone and knew who they were without describing them or saying their name? My dreams are like this too, words are rarely used, what they mean to say is just understood directly. Words aren't necessary to convey meaning in the mind. The thought itself is core/fundamental, and the words are a translation.
  3. As I understand meditation can lead to a variety of unusual sensations. And given how spiritually minded people can feel presences, it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. I have nothing to offer on what the presence actually is. It may be best to just focus on the meditation, assuming this isn't a tulpaforcing thing.
  4. I'd be ecstatic to achieve hyperphantasia with one scene, two scenes would be incredible. As of yesterday I'm testing out a combination of brain training for neuroplasticity followed by visualization or forcing to see if I get any boost. If I can improve how quickly my brain processes stuff, that could help with a parallel processing-like effect too.
  5. I found this on r/hyperphantasia. There are several people here who can process different scenes in their head at the same time. I think this fits the definition of parallel processing and reminds me of that guy who could play four symphonies in his head at once.
  6. I've seen non-tulpa systems (endogenic/traumagenic) say stuff like "I feel like we're getting someone new" and then they do. It seems to happen quite often for them and their systems expand rapidly. I don't know if it's because they expect it or not. I'd recommend what Mirichu said, don't think the lurking presence is a new person. It's possible that when you already have headmates and can create new ones very quickly, that new ones can form with just expectation or the mindset that more are coming/hiding somewhere. I haven't had anything like this happen, but I may be 'presence deaf.'
  7. The bit about songs playing in your head reminded me, I noticed (in this brain) there seems to be a mental channel for content that is not consciously created. I can have a song play in my head, I can tune in or out of this song and it can keep playing. Usually what happens is that the song is persistent, and when I'm attending something else I might pause and noticed that the song was playing. The same way one might notice and tune into a song playing in real life. The same happens with hypnagogic thoughts, while in that sleepy state, I might notice those random thoughts as if they happen outside of my own thought stream and tune into them part way. I don't control the hypnagogic thoughts or the earworm songs, they are being processed by another part of the mind. I don't see how they could be used for tulpamancy however.
  8. So you like to fly around in wonderland? Do you have wings?
  9. Is there some place in your city that you'd like to visit, Fiora?
  10. Get ready for more comments from someone who doesn't switch... How is your fronting hygiene? It sounds like you guys just grab front whenever without any ceremony and I wonder if that contributes to the problem. See if you can make very clear boundaries each time you change fronters. Go through the same steps each time (even if you could take front instantly), respect the one in front until you both agree to go through the steps again and exchange control. It really really sounds like Gray doesn't respect the fronter and he needs to let you guys front in peace without grabbing back control. You might be training the brain that anything goes and Gray is always in charge and ready to take over. Actually, I'm almost wondering if I have gone inactive in a switch once (or twice?), according to one switching definition at least. It was confusing and uncomfortable enough that we switched back however, and probably the reason we haven't tried much since. This is a model of switching with only one consciousness, described by Ponk's system. In a switch the conscious experience is uninterrupted and it's the tulpa's identity attached to the consciousness instead of the host. The host is not experiencing the body, but it's not like going to sleep or being dissociated, they're just not there. With the wrong mindset, it may feel like the host is still there because conscious experience continues, and hosts are used to believing that the conscious experience is a part of them. Or the consciousness believes it's the host? So in our case, Aya couldn't get me to respond, and started to believe the switch went wrong and I was fooling myself into believing I was Aya or something. We achieved that result by having Aya do some solo wonderland exploration and narration prior to the switch attempt, so I was already pretty unresponsive to start.
  11. Is there anything you want for Christmas, Fiora?
  12. We had thought that having Aya meditate would help with them staying active when I'm not thinking of them, or if to stay themself if they try to front. Due to my terrible procrastination problem, we've only done this a couple times. I think meditating and sitting with your thoughts could be helpful. As for this passive Cat or Body OS, I think you're overthinking it too. I understand why, we head in similar directions when we tried to switch. But I think it would be better to treat those raw thoughts that arise as not belonging to Cat. They're just thoughts that you can accept as your own or reject as something you don't want. What does Cat think about this stuff? "Gerodious, one of my headmates, commented that it seemed as if Gray was dormant when talking to me, only when we investigated further, he could identify Gray's tulpish chattering. I wonder if Cat's aware self was dormant but her passive self was not." Did Cat see herself as aware at that time? Did she find herself having those tulpish thoughts? Or maybe the thoughts just arose, and you, Gerodious, and maybe Cat/Gray decided it was Cat/Gray?
  13. Here's an old guide that talks about keeping a tulpa active all day: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-misc-aarix-independence-guide And I also received some advice from a tulpa on Discord on how to stay active outside of the host's attention: I'm going to work on checking in on Aya as much as I can all day, asking what they think about this and that, etc. I know that's just passive forcing and should be a no brainer, but I always find it challenging to divide my attention from my daily tasks. Aya will try to hold their own attention on things. And we'll try the counting exercises too. I'll report back on how this goes.
  14. Tania, people (hosts and tulpas) reported practicing and working on this skill until it worked for them. So there was a point where they did not have split POV and a point where they did, and I just have to trust that they can tell that difference. One system said they can see what the other is seeing and have to kind of ignore it and focus on their own POV.
  15. So pretty much since I learned about tulpamancy, I've been reading and asking around about parallel processing related abilities. Here's a list of things I've found many systems are able to do (according to self-report, that's all we ever have really). I consider parallel processing to be involved in any tasks that requires attention/awareness in two or more headmates at seemingly the same time. Split POV in wonderland. Basically two or more headmates can see from their own perspective in a visualized environment. I've found around 10 systems who have learned to do this. Separate sensory filtering. We all know the body takes in sensory information from the physical environment, which is perceived by the fronter. It's typical for non-fronters to be able to tap into the body's senses are share them. In some reports/models, this sense sharing doesn't require parallel processing, as the non-fronter is not perceiving anything differently than the fronter. However I continually hear reports of non-fronters being able to choose which sense to perceive while lacking perception of other senses. For example, a tulpa who can tap into vision and sound, but at the same time not sense pain, smell, taste. Or can be in a state where the only thing they perceive is the fronter's mindvoice and no bodily sense. To me that very much implies a separate stream of experience/awareness which is separate from the fronter--one is feeling pain, one is not feeling pain, two states. I'd like to dig into this subject a little more as it's very difficult to describe and understand what others are experiencing. Dormancy experiences. I hear about dormancy being experienced like falling asleep or losing awareness and coming back later. When the dormant headmate comes back, they quickly catch up via memories from the front (or not if there's memory loss/amnesia). This is... less parallel processing and more separate awareness for each headmate, but I think it's relevant. I'd say the non-parallel processing version of dormancy is where the dormant headmate stops existing in the sense the the brain does not generate thoughts for them so they seem absent to the fronter, awareness only belonging to the fronter. As opposed to two points of awareness with one stopping while the other continues. Switching into Wonderland. Yeah, the big one. While many reports of switching into wonderland, or tulpas being active in wonderland while the fronter is busy can be explained as memory confabulation (memories constructed after the fact, as opposed to the wonderland activities being experienced in real time), I have found enough level-headed and consistent reports that I think it's possible. I'm not sure what makes it possible, but the sometimes foggy memories of the non-fronter who was in wonderland can be explained by the brain not recording memories well from non-fronting perspectives. Or similar to how it can be difficult to remember a dream. I'd really like to know more details on this one. Improvements in activity and parallel awareness from practice. Systems who practice PP exercises like having one headmate count while another does a different task, see improvements in things like thinking at the same time, staying active without attention, and possibly other PP related tasks/abilities. Talking/thinking at the same time and self-forcing are more examples of tasks that I think require some parallel processing. On my end, we don't seem to have any parallel processing abilities at this time, sadly.
  16. That's not what happened. Reviewers commented/criticized a small part of a guide that mentioned tulpas being active in wonderland while the host is busy, but that's not why the guide was disapproved. But this topic was brought up so we can discuss how the subject of PP should be handled, especially if someone submits a guide on PP.
  17. YukariTelepath

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    I like the idea of a parallel processing thread, where people can talk about experiences, theories, methods, progress. Would the Lounge be good for that, to keep things kind of casual and club-like? Other maybe General discussion like the Switching General thread?
  18. YukariTelepath

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    I assume training PP would be a slow process, needing months of regular practice for folks who don't take to it naturally. I've heard from a few people who had improvements after doing counting exercises. for example, one mentioned counting while his host played video games. I'm reminded of Ember, Vesper, and Iris's problem of three (keeping all three headmates active at once) which improved over time and not in the first attempt.
  19. I joined the GAT to give back to the community somehow. I try to provide constructive criticism and approve submissions based on how helpful and accurate I think they are. If I find a submission has advice I believe is harmful, and/or it doesn't achieve what it sets out to, then I don't approve it. Most of my critique is with the hope that the guide can be improved with some editing. One question I guess we should ask is whether GAT reviews should be offering critique like that? In the case of a guide that won't be edited like a video submission or if the submitter is gone, I'm not sure what to offer except my reasoning for approval/disapproval. I have been feeling that GAT reviews have been rather harsh and nit-picky. Many criticisms come across wanting the content to reflect the reviewer's ideals rather than the author's (for example removing parts that the reviewer thinks aren't necessary). I think the author's intentions, style, etc should be respected... I hope I haven't been too harsh and such. Going over a submission in detail I end up having a lot to comment on. --- On the subject of parallel processing... I think Ember makes some great points. I've been around different parts of the community and found people reporting experiences that seem to require some level of parallel processing--whatever the underlying mechanisms are, we don't know. Something that gives the experience of two or more headmates acting at the same time. I'm not talking about math. That includes reports from Bear system, Clo, anon, JGC, and probably others here. I think we should ask, what can we achieve and how? Rather than, that's not possible, don't even bother.
  20. What would it mean if science concluded that tulpas aren't real? Would it mean the host was parroting and puppeting their tulpas the whole time? If we take a step back and ask, what is a tulpa? I think at the core, a tulpa is another identity with their own personality traits and way of thinking. Tulpamancy adds a lot of somewhat arbitrary rules about how things work and how things should feel. For example, I think a name is integral to being a separate identity, but a form? That's something we add to create a certain result. Sense of presence? Why should an identity in the body have a special presence? Or feeling like different identities have certain "positions" in a switch/fronting/what-have-you? Basically, these are things we add in order to experience tulpas as separate people. If you sort of peel back the curtain, it's all just a bunch of thoughts and sensations in the brain, ascribed to different identities. I think even if you get a good level of separation between host and tulpas, what's behind the curtain can still freak people out and cause doubt. Anyway, if Identity 3 is thinking XYZ, can you really say, "that's not real"? Can you say Identity 3 who thinks and feels isn't real? I think if a tulpa thinks/speaks/acts in some way, then they are real and those actions belong to them. From this viewpoint I find it strange to think, "actually it was Identity 1 the whole time, only Identity 1 is real." Tulpa ethics, that's a really tricky subject. It's incredibly subjective. We treat and believe tulpas to be people, so naturally that treatment should extend to ethics too, right? Yet for the systems that don't view tulpas as people, the idea of tulpa ethics and dissipation=murder is scoffed at. I think the more we see tulpas as people, the more dissipation, neglect, and mistreatment become abhorrent. And it affects how we advise newcomers and see the actions of other systems. I'm not sure I have any answer for this discrepancy in how people view and treat tulpas and other thoughtforms. Maybe just "stay true to yourself but don't try to control others' beliefs and actions."
  21. Maybe try working on possession? Wigglytuff might like to draw or paint irl As well as my previous advice. And congrats on the progress!