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  1. The memory thing does happen whenever I try to remember what I was doing there, it does feel indistinguishable from an actual memory. As far as being 24/7 everything seems to indicate that this is the next step for me, I learned that hyperphantasiac people can't even stop visualizing. I was thinking that I could start doing that by attaching a visualization of the "shape" of the words that I'm thinking. Like, just doing regular internal monologue but getting used to visualizing the words I'm thinking as they're written so that it becomes an habit sooner without deviating a lot from the way I normally think. Do you think that's enough?
  2. Cool isn't it? Our brains are capable of so much more than we give them credit for. It seems that this exercise has been working to other people better than I expected. The main problem that turns people away from learning visual imposition seems to be that it requires a lot of trial and error. And as much as "practice a lot" is the main thing required, there seems to be little practical information as to how to, now I'm wondering if I should write a more complete guide so that people don't feel discouraged when they don't get any results after their first or second attempts. Let me know if you find out anything new as it may be useful to other people as well. I think I may have unintentionally spooked some of you. LMAO Sorry about that part, but the spookiness factor seems to fade away after some time. I have read some of your visualization scripts and they have helped me start with visualization, thanks. It helped me realize that I was trying to learn imposition without any visualization skills whatsoever. Do you have any kind of veteran tricks to help me get a little further? I have noticed that I cannot get in wonderland effectively anymore because I just unintentionally impose the scenario on the back of my eyelids instead of visualizing it and it's very distracting and not as immersive as my imposition it's not perfect yet. I would like to make my visualization stable instead of just in and out flashes.
  3. I'm glad my idea helped you get to that base level that I was at when I wrote this, that was the main point of this exercise. To get past the whole trial and error of the first weeks. Since then I've progressed A LOT and I am finally reaching the end of my visualization training, but I still use this exercise as a warm up for the mind's eye. If you want I could give you the one other exercise I've been doing to really see some crazy shit, it would be helpful to learn to deal with intrusive stuff first because if you go in fearful it can make the intrusive images annoyingly persistent.
  4. Hey, so my progress has been pretty much consistent with the results from this exercise at this time, it slowly gets better but I'm always searching for new ways to progress other than just doing it over and over. I think the path now is to find new visualization tricks to hold up a better imposition, I've learned to try to imagine like I'm touching the back of my head can make immersion very easy in wonderland, the tips for imposition I've mentioned before was to learn to kinda 'vibrate' your eyes, like an open eye REM state, because the mechanism that we are tricking to 'see' these peripheral stuff only works either (a)peripherals or (b)when your eyes are moving from one place to another. So if you kinda vibrate your eyes while keeping in mind the same feeling you can see the tulpa for much longer. I know what you're talking about, I'm glad you could get results similar to mine. Do you also get the effect of your regular vision becoming "faster"? or at least to me after I do this peripheral stuff it starts to seems like life has like 300 fps, and it stays like that four a couple minutes. The deviations that you saw were from distortions, your tulpa has to use whatever is laying around in your peripherals to get an image of somewhat what you want, you ultimately have a saying, like if you think "oh kinda looks like a cat", it's going to be a cat then. Keep us updated if you find any new tricks you're welcome to share them too.
  5. Please do, if I find out this helps other people too I'm going to write a more detailed guide.
  6. Hello there thanks for the reply, non-translucid means you can't see through it. I've seen a bunch of imposition guides say that you start at lower levels seeing through your tulpa and at the higher levels of imposition you no longer can see through it. With this exercise I've skipped that pretty much entirely.
  7. Yeah I fall asleep too if I'm not in a casket-like position when I try to wonderland. I think you misunderstood the part about reality, I don't try to recreate a wonderland that looks like reality I just kinda open my eyes and look at the bedroom as if it was another wonderland, so you will trick your brain into thinking reality is the visualization while you keep in mind a wonderland version of you that's trying to "visualize" you in reality (kinda reversing the whole situation). But I think random layers work as well, the layers become random anyway by the end of the exercise. I'm going to get back to doing this soon, I haven't been able to because I'm working too hard on visual imposition and when I close my eyes I get a lot of random visuals that are very distracting.
  8. I have been experimenting a lot this week and I think that I may have found a way to get very close to complete visual imposition without having to go through the process of trial and error that I've had to endure. The reason I didn't write a guide for this is that I don't know if this will work for everyone as well as it does for me, so I decided to make a thread to see if other people that haven't been working on visual imposition can get to where I am now just by doing this. If you manage to get results from this exercise please tell us so that other people can enjoy visual imposition as well. So I'm going to write the exercise that I'm doing and if you're interested you can do it too and tell us the results. This process for me results in semi persistent non-translucid visual imposition. The exercise starts by raising one hand in front of your face and looking at it straight ahead, then you slowly go moving your hand to the right side WITHOUT MOVING YOUR EYES, follow your hand with just your attention and keep looking straight ahead. Keep following your hand with only your attention until you find the edge of your peripheral vision, opening and closing your hand may be helpful to find it too. You should find a point where your hand can no longer be seen and then move it back to the very end of your peripheral vision where it can barely be seen and open and close it to focus on that point. Now, can you see the other objects by your side? You still know what they are without having to look directly at them. This is partially visualization and partially vision, try to tell what are the objects around to get used to that feeling, the way you're perceiving your hand indirectly. Remember that feeling, that's what we're going to use for the following part. You should have some reference pictures of what your tulpa looks like, put a reference picture on the computer screen and look at it the same way you were seeing your hand a moment ago. Try to see it through your peripheral vision but closer to the center of your vision, focusing on the the reference using only your attention without looking directly at it. You should try different distances to see at what distance the picture seem to "move". There is a point there that your brain will start to bring you mental pictures of what you're trying to see and try to complete the image for you, you don't have to try to do it, it just happens, if it's not happening, move your vision further away until you find right distance. When you can get the reference to apparently shift around and move, stick with that and hold it in your attention as long as you can. Doing this for a long time can make you feel dizzy, that means it's working. After you get used to the feeling of looking indirectly to the picture, ask your tulpa to show up on your peripheral vision where your hands were before and try to recognize it and get the same shifting effect from the reference. It may be helpful to put something not easily definable by your side (like a pile of clothes or a bunch of colorful objects), make sure your tulpa's colors are present there otherwise you may get something completely different, that's normal, your unconscious brain will try to decipher the blurry mess you're indirectly focusing on while you tell it that your tulpa is there. Warning, this part can be very spooky as sometimes you may see something moving other than your tulpa, remember that's all you doing it. (In my case I had to change some objects around because I kept seeing frieza from dragon Ball by the end of the bed) If you manage to get a peripheral vision of your tulpa you can go slowly moving towards the center of your vision. From this point on you have to unfocus your eyes and make the image kinda blurry if you want to look directly at your tulpa. If you relax your eyes and blurry your vision while keeping the same "peripheral visualization feeling" you should be able to look directly at a blurry moving non-translucid imposition of your tulpa. There is also a way to make it last longer and be more defined but I feel like it's overkill to explain it right now. Anyway I'll be happy to see the results if anyone is interested in testing this method.
  9. The way I think about it is that none of them are actually "real", including the original ego of the system that develops over your life. Your brain is just a bunch of connections that react to the environment in a deterministic manner, you have no say in what you actually experience and learn. What you call "me" is just a learned process. Think about it, if you weren't taught a language and given a name you wouldn't understand the concept of being "you", "you" wouldn't exist. You'd be just a reactive creature without ego, like a dog or a fish. Many times my tulpa asked me "am I real?" I always answer "no, neither am I" or "you're just as real as me". Don't know if that makes it better or gives you an existential crisis.
  10. I try to stay in first person, I don't know if it's immersive otherwise. IKR? Most times if you stick with those scenarios that you didn't consciously chose, there is always some sort of lesson or closure at the end. I always ask my tulpa to lead me through the story and it always pays off, you learn about yourself and remember things you didn't know you could, some of the things that look random at first usually are some metaphor or symbolism, your brain doesn't know how to do true randomness. I remember last time I did this there was a scenario with a crowd in a swimming pool and I spilled a drink and for some weird reason I got embarrassed by it, like how? Consciously I know it wasn't real people looking but I felt that it was. Context is overlooked when it comes to immersion.
  11. I guess the difference would be that when it comes to imposition I believe that I can see something that I want to see that's not really there at the same physical space, but with the bug I just knew there was a real one there and was just searching for it with my eyes. Maybe you're right that we're wired for that though. But it's like when religious people say they had visions, you never see a Christian having visions of Allah or the other way around. Usually the person believes in ghosts first and then they see them. I think that by knowing the real nature of tulpas we are in a significant disadvantage compared to a person that believes they're seeing something physically real and external of the brain, kinda like how placebos work.
  12. After spending some time trying visual imposition today, getting like a 5/10 or 6/10 in quality with a lot of focus involved I got tired and decided to call it a day, was just about to go to bed when a goddamn bug came flying around the room, I get my flip flops and got ready for battle. Now I'm looking around the ceiling for a bug (that I know still there) and BOOM 10/10 imposed bug on the ceiling. Not the real one, still don't know where the sucker went, but the one I imposed was indistinguishable almost if it weren't flickering and the sensation of imposition I wouldn't be able to tell. Now I'm starting to realize the reason it was so perfect and easy to impose was my expectations of seeing a bug there (because there really was one somewhere). If that's so important, how can I create the real expectation to see something that I know it's not physically there? It also got me wondering about people who report seeing ghosts and elves and stuff like that would make a lot of sense if belief/expectation played such a giant role in it.
  13. Sure I'll report back, I did it about five or six times now and it has worked consistently in entering a dream like state so far, it usually happens when you start going backwards "waking up" from the layers. Afterwards I could see the outlines of my bedroom and my hands move in front of my face with my eyes closed, I've internalized my bedroom and hands very accurately and it feels very much like I just woke up from a dream. The results have been different enough from regular wonderland for me to want to post about it right away. If I manage to escape the matrix I'll come back and tell you guys.
  14. I focus more on the transitions, only two wonderland layers is enough, but the important part is to make reality seem like the third layer. The immersion comes as a result of you no longer feeling like reality is different from wonderland. It's very counter intuitive to explain this... The best I can describe it's like going through an infinite russian nesting doll with 3 repeating layers (wonderland, wonderland, reality), kinda like this: to put it in words it would be something like "Imagine yourself imagining yourself imagining reality". It sounds complicated but once you try to do it should be more obvious.
  15. Yesterday I was experimenting with an idea that I had that turned out to be very effective for me and resulted in a 'lucid dream like' wonderland experience. IMO the main thing that makes dreams feel real is the fact that you don't consciously know they're not real, after doing this I found myself feeling afraid of falling, I have a wonderland cliff that I jump out of every time, but not this time I felt genuinely afraid of falling and some other sensations of 'being there" that you only experience in a dream rather than in wonderland. The following technique shouldn't be done if you don't want to genuinely lose track of what is real temporarily. It's a little convoluted so bear with me here: First I made sure that my experience of the real world had no sensory stimuli that was stronger than the wonderland ones, aka not too much noise or light, eyelids halfway closed, pillows to numb your touch etc... Then after that I imagined myself in my regular wonderland, now here is the tricky part. In wonderland, sit on the ground, take a wonderland breath and imagine yourself in another wonderland. That's right, IMAGINE YOURSELF IMAGINING YOURSELF somewhere else. And once you imagine the second layer add in a third layer, but the third layer is REALITY ITSELF, Imagine that reality is one layer of your wonderland. Feel how real reality is and then imagine yourself on the first wonderland layer again, and then on the second, and then back again. Do this cycle for about 30 times and then reverse. Now you want to start waking up. If you're on the second layer, wake up to the first, then to reality, once in reality 'wake up' to the second layer, then first, then back. Eventually you will feel like there's no difference between reality and wonderland and now your mind is free to have a dream like experience.