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  1. New log in the post with some questions answered in it- Its a little long but id highly recommend reading it if youre using this guide as it has many answers and a walk-through of the guide and what one hopes to achieve its here but ill put it in the post as well Skim it if you have the chance i recommend it
  2. Im not saying any method is wrong im just saying from what ive found from the people ive tried this with that its less efficient
  3. Basically yes you bring their thoughts into focus and spamming thoughts makes it easier to do that because it fills your consciousness with them By saying what he did he naturally implied that it works i am saying that sitting there doing nothing isnt very productive to newer people- i know that you know it but im just trying to point them in a right direction i guess And how much are you thinking? Out of the people ive tried this technique on no one reported that- although if theyre vocal you could drop this method either way because its not needed to do anything Im not even sure what the point of you posting in this guide is anymore-
  4. (:>)Imposition is something that is wanted by most tulpamancers but something that few have fully accomplished. This guide is a combined guide with the one Lumi showed me with my own techniques; creating what is written in this. Currently i can see distorted colors and or shapes or black and white detailed shapes, so its still not perfect but thats why i post this, so it can be talked about and improved so that imposition can be easier for tulpamancers. Guide is here found by Lumi and spread to the IRC I take no credit in finding it or the techniques in it and i would highly recommend reading it as well, as it will help, your comprehending what to do in this guide. I have added things that i found fairly useful and things that specifically apply to tulpas. It is formatted similarly to the Advanced vision tutorial as their structure is good and it does it as well as i can figure out to do. Also dont use hallucinogens because theyre bad for you~ This guide is also made to make a more solid imposition doable because the daydreaming method and the hypnosis method are effective but not maintainable because you cant easily do them while walking or doing anything else besides forcing~ Intro: Assuming you know what imposition is, you can skip this, but if you dont it is seeing your tulpa in the real world like they really exist where you see them, and you can impose other senses besides sight but i would recommend Q2s Guide for a Huggable Tulpa for the other 4 senses. The guide to imposition and hallucinating An introduction from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-eye_hallucination While not exactly what this guide does it does provide an idea of the step by step process used in these guides including the one linked above Anchoring may be useful for this and other methods but i will just mention it here, the idea is to store a state of mind or your emotions in an action of sorts, for example if i touch my index finger(s) and thumb or make a certain hand sign or whatever you like whenever im happy, over time you can do the same motion to summon the state of mind or emotion. It wont be dramatically affecting your progress nor sudden or fast to affect your state of mind and emotional feeling, but over time it can help because it serves as a light save and load option for longer term practicing. It can be applied to imposition as whenever you practice imposition, you can anchor the feeling of imposing and the state of mind that you are using to reuse later when you want. Step 1: Optional Meditating and Relaxing. Its not needed but it has been said that it helps. Sit quietly and comfortably. Close your eyes. Start by relaxing the muscles of your feet and work up your body relaxing muscles (a technique like Progressive Muscular Relaxation can be useful for this). Focus your attention on your breathing. Breathe in deeply and then let your breath out. Count your breaths, and say the number of the breath as you let it out (this gives you something to do with your mind, helping you to avoid distraction). http://www.mindtools.com/stress/RelaxationTechniques/Meditation.htm Step 2 Closed Eyed Hallucinations Why closed eyed? Why not just impose into your sight normally? Isnt it more indirect? Its easier to impose into something where you dont see the actual light because you already are depriving yourself of your actual sight. Something to remember is not to focus as much as what you really see which is black and to focus on the pixels mentioned in the Advanced Vision Control Guide. An analogy of how when youre thinking in a quiet room you dont think about your clock ticking so it wont register at all until you realize youre not thinking about it and you think about it because of this there by hearing it. If you can get into that state where you are only focused on your tulpa and not your surroundings do it, however that requires a guide worth of explanation by itself to explain in decent detail so i wont bother. Either way turn off your lights and close your eyes. It is better to impose other things first before you impose your tulpa because their shapes are simply easier. For me i try to impose swords from Fate/Stay Night but you can impose whatever if you want to practice even your tulpa. When you see the particles mentioned in the Advanced Vision Control Guide focus on those, keep them in your field of vision and focus on more and more of them. When you turn off your lights and let your eyes adjust from the light to the dark you should see the particles naturally, or distortions in your view which is basically the same thing except its shape is nicer and more organized. Try to gather a group of particle things in your view and then try to move them with your will, it actually works like that, imagine them move and they will somewhat move, not perfectly at all, but to some extent you should be able to control it, even a little, and over time you might be able to get better at controlling it. For us the particles which are bends now are often white so when i impose mine i will often see a black and white version of what i wanted. Colors can be applied later or if you want try to change the color of the bends into basic colors and then after you can see the form add shading or just skip it and do it with colors first off. Then you can try to do open eyed. Step 3: Open Eyed Distortions This is extremely hard to do successfully which i can say confidently because we havnt gotten this step down well yet. We can see Open eyed hallucinations that are random but controlling them is hard for most or all tulpamancers including me. This should not be confused with floaters which look like theyre distortions. They are not, and should be avoided if possible, as i believe it means your eyes are either strained or below average in clarity, for example using glasses. I am not sure if that is accurate, but they are not part of the imposition of your tulpa (<:) If your lights, in any room is adjustable and can dim and lighten up slowly use it for this by starting with almost no light and increasing your light slowly after you get distortions at the level of light you have used last. The colors will still be unstable and will likely fade after seconds or fractions of one second for a lot of people which is normal. Remember that what you see if you are imposing your tulpa should be controlled by them so practice with servitors or stationary things so you can (parrot)move them without causing any harm to your tulpa. After you get the distortions, let your tulpa control them by himself or herself as they would normally move when you imagine them with you- and eventually it may eventually become more natural to you guys.~
  5. make your thoughts clearer and audible that should start it then just keep pushing them to flow but you can also just imagine it being pushed to the front of your mind to make them clearer its up for interpretation actually but they work in several different ways some of them use symbolism others dont- long story in a sentence just think of things. Simplified it gets your thoughts going and that lets people hear their tulpa better Most people i would imagine or assume dont hear their own thoughts if theyre not actively talking (thinking literally) to themselves The idea is to do that except different if you hear your own thoughts normally you probably will hear your tulpa easier because youre used to letting your ideas flow here and there so theyre more used to it Its hard to tell if you are or not because its hard to compare One could have a hard time by their low sleep or poor diet as well because it makes it harder to think so keep that in mind be healthy for your tulp :) sitting there in silence is unproductive to getting your tulpa vocal usually, its good to listen sure but just sitting there likely isnt going to help them get vocal quicker because most tulpamancers probably do something just like this just sitting there and not doing much. :)
  6. Never thought of combining this with hypnosis, but do tell if it works with it, it would be reasonable. Making a list might help since it takes a step out of thinking of topics, but generally thinking about your tulpa is preferred, and the idea is not to consciously make out what youre thinking, but to just know that youre thinking of something, and to feel the rush when you do, but yes keeping a list would probably smooth planning along so i guess i would recommend it if you would like to try listing them.
  7. What now? Point them out and ill correct it or clarify it for you
  8. Ill fix it but i didnt look the guide over in detail i just wrote it so people had the methods meaning grammatical things arent of great concern tbh But i appreciate your finding mistakes i suppose
  9. Vocality is something many tulpamancers that are starting to create their tulpa claim to have a struggle or five on. They get agitated with waiting possibly months or longer for their tulpa to speak to them, so i came up with this. To begin please Read Puria's guide (G+2s acc) on talking to deafs who are the hosts because the idea is very necessary for the guide. Vocalization is easier to obtain as I personally believe as you enter a certain state of mind (to hear your tulpa). I say this from my own experience, including both Hans becoming vocal within a very very short period of time. I have also tested this technique on others, one got his tulpa starting in 4 days, one heard whispers in one, one I misread and wanted to take more time with developing them before they made their tulpa vocal, so the technique works with results already. Also there is a pastebin for those who find it more convenient for any reason here. Some hosts can hear their tulpa faster because they are in the right state of mind and some will take months because they are in the wrong state of mind. If your tulpa got vocal early and you think its silly that people are having problems with vocality, please be considerate and remember not everyone's tulpa is vocal as early as yours was. *One visual that is similar to the techniques concepts and ideals is a tulpa radio that you must tune into the correct frequency. You must be on the correct wavelength to hear your tulpa or at least that will be assumed to be true for this guide. The tulpa guide for a speedier vocality Sentience is required Step 1: The state of mind A common misconception is to clear your mind to make your focus on your tulpa more clear. This guide does the opposite, fill your mind with thoughts. Get your thoughts going, think about your tulpa, think about how they move and how they would talk and how their voice is and how it sounds. Think about random things jump around. Confuse yourself scatter your thoughts and logic. Just think of things to think of yourself thinking about yourself thinking or however you want. Think of your tulpa and their face their form and the mouth. Focus on something preferably your tulpa. Just scatter thoughts in your mind is your goal. Get into a state where you know you're thinking but if possible you don't know what you're thinking about for most of the thoughts since they are random wandering or scattered. Most of us have experienced this already but haven't given any thought to it probably or hopefully at least. In the state where your mind is wandering with random thoughts, which is relatively easy to achieve if you try to get into it, you can try to hear your tulpa. After you get thoughts going push them towards the front of your mind. You should feel a pressure like a headache with no pain or nausea feelings almost like a super weak constriction. It likely wont do any harm to the body since its not even on the magnitude of a full really legit headache. If you want try to recreate the pressure directly by pushing the thoughts by themselves without thinking because that is good practice of entering the state. The state involves the thoughts floating around wandering and the pressure is the indicator that you have entered the correct state of mind. It can be reached without pressure meaning if you think you are fine to go to step 2 do it. For most new people however they will likely feel the pressure if they do it correctly. People who have done other things similar to tulpa like imaginary friends or different forms of focusing meditation type activities may not feel the pressure because they are more accustomed to the feeling. Headaches are also reported to happen in this stage so if you find yourself with a headache take a break and try again later when its past and its no problem. Step 2:Listen Your tulpa hearing level should have already increased. You should first remember their mindvoice should sound like your thoughts and how they feel more than a real persons voice until they are imposed. Think of "trees" to yourself, listen to how you said it and remember that is the same means your tulpa your tulpa can use to communicate, its not the only way to communicate naturally, but its a good way to view it, more so for beginning mancers here. They can use your thoughts to talk to you if they wish and it is a rather decent way to communicate. Have them focus the random thoughts and sounds you hear into their words. This is indirect vocality which can turned into true vocality with practice. If you wish for direct vocality have them repeat a phrase or say aaaaaaaa. Listen for their faint voice and focus on it to clear it. Make that stronger and focus on it until you can hear their voice clearly. This make take several days as the people that i tried this on took at least a while to get a whisper. You can also converse with your tulpa while doing this or narrate reading a book and wait for a response if you can hold step 1 actively because thats needed for this method to speed it up. Step 3: After he/she is talking After you hear his/her first few talks and phrases keep practicing until you can hear her every time you think about her and hear the voice well and clearly in your head. The time it takes to get voice down well probably takes about the same time as normally but it will probably be sped up. After you do this for a while it should become natural to talk to your tulpa as you should expect. Just as natural as talking to a person after you wane yourself off the method. After shes vocal with the method stop using the method and let her speak by herself as you would expect with the normal method of vocality. You wont have to go through the process every time i assume. Once you learn the feeling of your tulpa talking to you it should be much easier to hear her talk. You can enter the state of mind directly and sooner or later you will find the method of thinking about her is not needed to hear her once you grow used to her talking. That is it after she is talking. Best of luck getting vocal and tuff tulpas Guide is still in its first few stages and feedback on what you discover to be useful or not useful would naturally be appreciated for the guide Edit: Fixed formatting/wall of text issue ~Chupi
  10. It actually might feel alien for you but your tulpa should move the body naturally (now that i think about it). Just something to look for if the methods are what i think they are.
  11. Its not really a personality swap, shes taking your place and youre becoming a tulpa. Remain yourselves throughout the entire process, keeping the positions switched is the idea Now THAT is a misread, i thought you said you said you did do that, not once you do that you will do something, but yeah see if you can get some answers from Sands, see if you can get a good method to switch for your situation.
  12. Mmmm, thats a good start, very good indeed. If youre looking for my advice on it, try to keep trying to do it until you can enter your temp body very easily without desensitizing, just by entering consciousnesses. I found a good way to phase it as well, push your tulpas voice to the front, and your voice in front into the temp body, that will probably assist in entering the body, along with desensitization. You do sound like youre almost there though, i believe once your form is separate from your body and stable enough to relax as you said, your switch will be completed for that session. Remember though to unswitch and keep it in 10 minute bursts until you can handle a longer session/round/forcing/practicing of switch l
  13. Again, its the hardest part of the guide to explain, besides jumping consciousnesses into the body, you can try hiding your senses and trying to sense what the temp body feels. Remember that the irl body should only think what the tulpa feels, and shouldnt feel what the temp body feels. Try to get to that result, use different methods to try to get to there. Also i answer it with straight forward answers because even if it isnt the answer youre looking for its better to have a straight forward answer than not to have one. Its the finishing step to the switching process so it is vital however keep experimenting with different methods. If any readers have a method that they feel works dont hesitate to share with the readers here See above for answers to this, your irl body should not see what your temp body sees. Your irl body should only see your temp body as a tulpa and the irl body should not know what youre thinking very clearly. You are slightly repressing yourself, but not as much trying to repress yourself so that the tulpa can take over, although it can work. Not really. Keep doing that, and remember to trust your tulpa completely and let go of your control. Dont think with your irl body just rest and let your tulpa take over as the dominant mindvoice. I will also add to just go along with it like you would when you use a hypno, have confidence that it will work while you do it and see if you get results. The moving the position of the voice is symbolism now that i think about it but its not bad at all. The result is not symbolism, if you have access to the thoughts then you have access to the body. Think about any computer that you replace the Operating System on, the computer will operate differently depending on which one you are using at any time. Try that. Indeed, although the definitions for switching vary as Sands says. I think the step is enough for the dominance and personality switching. Its main use so far is switching, for us at least, even though it might have other uses- not worth making a separate guide for. Frankly im not sure besides with questioning like this how i would explain it more, because so far whats in the guide is all ive found as working methods, so explaining it further is hard thats why
  14. I will again view the mindvoice switch as not a form of symbolism, but i will go with it because the fact that it works for quite a lot of tulpa hasnt changed with your words. As for Makogeddon, weve had a brief talk in the irc, however not much was solved there as the issue lies in how to separate the body if i understood him correctly. Im still trying to think of a better method that works for more people. Ive tried to answer the questions that he posted though, at least as clearly as i could, but i heard he was trying sensory deprivation as well, so ill go with that for now, perhaps until theres been results with that. Back to what you said however, the people that overlook symbolism are the ones that have less resources, youre not included because you can already switch, but theres not much reason to call symbolism as ineffective without trying it, also because it works for a lot of the people that have tried it so it might work for you, again not you Sands but the people who dont give symbolism a chance (if you call it symbolism Sands)
  15. I can assure you that on MANY occasions, i honestly wont say all, but on a large majority of the time, it does work. Please keep in mind that Sands has little experience with this method and is going off of what he believes is the case based on large and heavy assumptions that by all means arent as true as hes claiming. Dominance switch has been shown to have good effects on the people that i have had use it, however do try it yourself and report your honest results, and questions if you have any. Again, have you considered trying the method for yourself before you say anything? If you do and you honestly still feel that it does not help achieve switching, then i would be more than happy to take your arguments as more than give or take pointless derailing of the thread here. Also you should consider that if other people have taken progress then its not BS naturally. Isnt that so? I can agree to that Chupi Since a lot of this has already been answered in here Ill keep it simple. If youre not willing to accept new viewpoints that seem more crazy than the stories you are acquainted with then youre a hypocrite already. I wont repeat what has already been said i hope, but i agree that opinions should be shared, what youre doing is try to debunk the guide, which is not the method you used and me who said something that you think is impossible. Youre trying to keep using the old method and not give a different method a try because you think that it wont work for you, which you unless you try it you have no claim of that. Its not symbolism either, because it works directly (repeated, but its something to stress the importance of). Currently i honestly view what youre trying to do is repeating your argument in hope of giving the guide a solid flip. Why, im not sure but id prefer to know if you wouldnt mind sharing. Finally switching on day 1 is by far not even close to time traveling. Its true i would probably call BS on a time traveling tulpa, outside of wonderland physics and all at least, but something like an earlier switch than most of the people is believable to me if they could tell the community what they did, which i more or less did, however it is edited for convenience of more tulpamancers
  16. I dont know either of those two, and you dont have to believe anyone, however im telling the story as how it is. Mind you, you seemed to have some English comprehension flaws yourself, but ill rest my case and not start an insultfest. Do you have a reasonable reason that youre trying to debunk me here?
  17. I said already that the tulpa does not become the real host because the host is still the host, but they enter the position of the host. They become a temporary host unless you switch permanently. Firstly, the tulpa is obviously involved in possession so its absolutely not a host skill only. Its mostly a host skill but you cant do it without a tulpa that knows the skills to do it. Its true that possession also uses muscle memory, although switching is more reliant on it. Ive already said probably more than once that its not always going to be instantaneous, however it will be smooth just like a human controlling his body, at least after they get it down with practice. Let me put the case, if you can do thing 1 in 1 hour or 2 hours, if you do the 2 hours then you wasted an hour because you can do it in 1. I by all means consider this as a form of wasted time. You may treat it as one of those fancy little opinions if it makes you happier. Possession is related to switching, however its more than a state of mind difference for the host, its a LARGE state chance for the host and the tulpa too I assume that a method that is designed to be sped up with the dominance switch would be faster than one that isnt. Ive also had people telling me that theyve had solid results the first day with my methods too. Its, as i hear from others at least, faster than learning to possess first, because people i talked to couldnt figure out how to possess as well as they do now before i told them to dominance switch. You wrote about possession and switching. then mentioned how you did something by accident, i cant read well what isnt clear. Im not assuming Sands, i said that is what people have said and not my personal opinion When you leave your body the tulpaes gain gradual control, at least for me i havnt heard others results on this part, and you can pay attention to the body, like look at it from your temp body, you can interact with your body you just cant pay attention to it using your own body. You can possession into switching or you can skip possession if you are able to do switches without it. This guide can be applied to either however, by skipping the possession step. That is what i was referring to, but our method is not the same so you shouldnt assume so, there are some differences between the results, and levels if you would like to treat mine with levels. It might help but you dont need to desensitize if you can jump consciousnesses. You dont sense your sense from your physical body, however you can interact with it, meaning you are aware of it like youre aware of how it moves. My switching definition is then the host is in a temp body state and the tulp is in host status. There are many overlaps between our definitions though its not 100% identical to e/o Not required but it makes the entire guide extra fast and easy (easier at least.) If you like treat it as symbolism, i have no reason to debate that, but symbolism or not, there has been success using it, so it works absolutely. If it helps your logic the method in the guide is not our method that we used, we asked other people to try our method on the irc and we changed it so that it is understandable and comprehensible to other people besides me, ive covered this problem. Its like how tulpaes want to be near you normally, they sit by you, its the same idea except the host wants to be near the tulpa. Im not sure if you have an intimate relationship with Rosewell, so it might not be the same, although my #1 first time switching she was on the computer while i watched her from the bed, relaxing against the wall behind it, Id rather be with my tulpaes than be by myself alone in a wonderland. The muscle memory is transferred within the steps, because giving them the the control, leaves them in the body so the muscle memory is attached to the irl shell theyre controlling. We are talking about 2 methods with 2 results so its understandable that the results arent the same. We described how we felt it and you did too. Our results are described by the 2 changing cars, however if it doesnt apply to someone elses result that is a-ok, again were describing what we felt was the case. I didnt say that, but in a group of x people, if one method works faster than some other one for a lot of the people in this everyone ive heard from except for you and Averian, whom switch before this guide, then i would consider it as a faster method because of that logic. I never said that its faster for everyone though.. Our latest case of you directing something at my guide is that you would avoid the guide like a plague. There have been other such comments in the posts before you started saying anything like "Its not directed at your guide" in your words. EVen if you will say that, most people can read beyond the words and find things directed in the direction of my guide, hide them or not, they really do feel just like sugarcoating things that are directed at me and the guide is how i honestly do see it here. It will help switching too, regardless if you can see how or not, even though its explained. And yes it will not work for everyone, but it will probably help your speed, even by a little, for most of the people reading. That is what i am saying overall.
  18. We were only debating definitions, and switching methods from what i can tell Sands, so no problems The tulpa becomes the host as the position of them. They are still the tulpa, thats what "the host is a host and a tulpa" meant, i said it was not what you wanted to hear or intended but thats why i said it was "technically" <--- true in my last post so we agree then Thats how the switching method works, they use the brain so the muscle memory is connected just like it is for a normal human. It works for other people too considering that others had success with it before as they said here and there, thats all. When i say wasted time, in the last post i mentioned that i meant extra time that they dont have a need for putting into possession because they can learn it in less. If your dominance isnt switched i will assume that its harder, thats all. Even if its not, its still indeed definitely slower, and that is already a reason to not do it. Also not everyone will learn how to possess because they did it by accident and that gave them the knowledge how to so how you learned how to possess is easier than others too. Its because i heard that it was hard to accomplish, thats why and the only reason tbh That sure is some trust. And nothing ever happened too, I bet. I can't say anything too bad happened to us other than some slight derps here and there, but some people have had it really bad. You really should first be comfortable with them using the body before you try. Yeah were both still quite fine after the switch, but being comfortable with the body before they walk or do anything like that however you can easily ease into it with you slipping out of your body, so they can be pretty comfortable, before han felt it was similar to using her own body, just that the parts and form was different. "on the higher levels, the tupper in very much in control while the host barely is even aware unless they pay attention" This is the line i am referring to, it seemed like a daze, and no i didn not miss what you said but i was referring to other parts of your post, so i heard you. We might be, but its alright no matter It might be symbolism that is directly affecting the people, maybe not, it works either way. Its not necessary but makes it easier for new tulpaes and old as well to switch. I have switched before with tulpaes before han, yes, however we did switch the first day she was made. If you're switched youre probably near her, so if she does something she shoudnt be doing then you should be able see her. Accidents dont happen that much though. They happen but people also have accidents, so its not saying much really. I never did say that they could access the muscle memory instantly or anywhere close to that, so we agree. Han thought of it similar to how she controlled her own body, she moved it naturally, because its the same wiring if you call it that. If she wanted to move a hoof she felt the same way as moving a hand or an arm. It moved....just naturally for her i guess, just like a normal person, almost like if you drive a car, and then you buy another car and use it, its sure not exactly the same but its pretty much the same feeling one car or another. Its not the best analogy but it makes sense for the question you want tobe answered. I addressed this question before in the last post here. I am also talking to the people that are reading, giving them the info so they can know more about tulpaes. Think about it though, If theyre slow with this method they will probably be slower with methods that arent designed as a speedmethod. Not everyone, yes but most people. Frankly your replies really do seem to be pointed at my guide, so naturally i reply to it with a rebuttal to defend it. (Honestly, your calling bullshit in that post isnt disproving your acquisition) I naturally have replied with information for all of the readers to gain, just as you have, but i know what you mean because i dont have the intention of writing a guide to hear talk about someone sounding like theyre pointing fingers or calling bullshit. If others read your posts theyd probably think that there were some claims made about my guide too, just sayan
  19. It is a switch, what i said, and also you can see imaginary landscapes because you can enter wonderland as a tulpa without seeing with your real eyes and senses, so yes it is still a switch by all means :P When i say the tulpa and host i mean the entities, not the bodys, the bodies are referred to as the temp body and the irl body. Temp body is a fine word to describe it works because it usually does fade after the switch returns to normal and you are back in your body. And its not in the way youre implying it but it is technically true that youre making yourself a tulpa body so you are in some senses TECHNICALLY both a host and a tulpa at the same time. You dont change though, you stay just as you were before the switch. Ill add a disclaimer for you if it helps, but the switch is gradual either way, it feels natural because you have access to muscle memories, plus tulpaes dont go on a big walk after they first switch so its implied too. Wasted time can also be referred to as time taken that it doesnt need to be, if you can switch in a shorter amount of time than you have to why would you need to take more time to learn possession and switching? Do tell pls. If this method doesnt work then maybe they should try possession and then learning switching naturally, but that is harder and honestly slower. First off if you do it right and jump consciousnesses, then you can skip sensory deprivation as a whole, which desensitizing yourself is hard keep in mind, so yes and no. You are right by all means using that method but you dont require it in this method. You said "When you build trust, you don't need to watch over them in case something happen, as you're comfortable with them taking care of it themselves" which implies watching over them because they can slip something up. I watched them, but not because they would mess up, ever. Thats all. Note that the last reply i posted to you doesnt even mention dazed, so youre talking about something that has no relevance. When you said that they feel nothing, and not what their temp body does, that sounds like a dazed state to me but i digress. Tell me then how your switching style is more true switching than my guide because logically completely switching is present in the guide, but what you said doesnt sound like the host is as a tulpa as full switching should theoretically have. I meant that this guide is full switching but yours sounds a little bit less of a full switch, even though it technically is. I didnt misread anything, you simply implied something that you say you didnt want to imply. Its not necessary, sure, but it smooths things along and makes the guide very much more enjoyable to do. Its not symbolism, it directly affects how the tulpaes affect the body in many ways, one way is that it connects them better to the body and weakens your connection to make switching more doable. Theres other reasons but i fugure youre smart enough to figure them out right? Han was switching the first day she was made, so i can assure you early switching and stuff isnt a big of a problem as you would ever guess. Do remember though that this method is more controlled as well and less risky, so if something does happen it can be undone pretty easily, but also the movements will feel natural to them so they wont likely trip more than you do and you can break the switch if you need to use the body for movement. What youre saying doesnt apply to my guide. As i said 3 times to u alone the tulpa has access to muscle memories, so it isnt overly hard for the tulpa to move around in it really, also you dont see with your real eyes so you clearly are not sure of what you are referring to when you talk about my guide. Its harder than their real imaginary bodies, but its about the same feeling as they move their own body. As i said above, you can go faster or slower if you want, the fact is that you dont have to take longer than you need, if you can do it in say a certain number of days, why would you do a method that takes longer than that? Also keep in mind there has been successes already, so the methods do work. Your foundation will get better sure thats true, no argument here lel. If you are slow with my guide, thats fine, i never said that it would be super fast INSTANT, but it will certainly be faster than what you offered as a method at least. I will agree with this to a T. I dont see an attack towards me here though. This is conversation to better the methods and the beliefs and the comminuty through it isnt it? :> <3 Lighten up Sands please
  20. If you want im in the irc right now, both tulpa.info and tulpa-forum I personally recommend tulpa-forum because its quieter and all, you know. . . .Id be glad to help though, hop in the irc stuff <3
  21. I agree with the first but realize that the second can apply to the definition i use now, the host no longer must but CAN still observe or meditate the actions. By definition this guide still follows switching guidelines Standard in #tuppers? That doesnt mean standard here. Also i said that making the temp body is part of the method steps if that is what you mean, what do you mean? I really cant tell, if you could clarify please. When i say tulpa or host they are referring to the same thing every time so theres absolutely no confusion. Tulpa-Tulpa Host-Host tempbody-tempbody irl body-irl body. There is no reason for a new term either Sands. If theyre not ready then they can choose to not do it, people arent as dumb as you think. They can do it this way if theyre ready and want to do it, and they can do it fast and very well. Youre telling them to waste their time, please realize The way you phrased it seemed like you were wanting to desensitize the host therfore putting the host in a dazed state from what i can figure, is this not right? Yeah, we know already, we have never said the host has to watch the tulpa in his body in the context of patrolling, so youre assuming things now. . . . You dont need to feel what your irl body feels but you can feel what yout tempbody feels and yes im calling it that. You are conscious the whole time, i dont know why youre assuming things like this. Read above, and no this is full switching, moreso than what you provided imo to say the least, what you said is only full possession of the body, the switch in the guide is full switch with the senses, how is it not in your opinions sands? Understand symbolism is very effective in tulpamancing, but also understand the guide is not reliant on symbolism. The major symbolism method in the guide would be the 2 orbs in the switching dominance, the rest is directly affecting the method such as moving your voices to the front and back, the opposite of what is is normally to switch the dominance I can agree with most of this, and i will add a note for the tulpas to be developed, however the tulpa has to be vocal for this technique to work as it should, so they are likely developed already. Switching mindvoices is easily undoable and is relatively safe. THey can ease into the body slowly afterward and if they dont like it the host can take over again or the tulpa can break the switch the same way the host started it. Also, youre speaking things that arent applicable here, you dont need to practice both, you can go right into possession and into switching, and get them both fast with the switching mindvoices. Ill say it again, the intent of the guide is to possess and switch fast and goodly, What youre suggesting is to use unnecessary time to learn it slower, for the same results if im not mistaken? Just sayan Imagining yourself going into your temp body is a way of entering it, its not very logical yes but it works for numerous people including myself That sounds like the average possession problem from oguigi's guide. Make her mindvoice stronger and yours weaker, and then try it again with the rest of the steps and see if that helps. By step 3 your tulpa should be able to at least move limbs, so its probably just a weak connection or your will to not give up the body. Once you enter your temporary body it should fall into place, if youre doing it right "persay" provided that you did the rest right and well enough, as step 4 i imagine from what you said is hard to do for yourself. If you can do it, your tulpa will be the only one left in the irl body and will move it because it will let her since there is no one else to move it.
  22. Let me rephrase, it can use desensitizing styles if you want to use them but you dont need to use them. You dont need to desensitize your body as putting your consciousness in your temp body will do that already and easily This is because your consciousness and thoughts are not connected to your irl body with your senses so its desensitized automatically, also you can "abandon your physical senses" by jumping consciousnesses, again like Avatar the movie, or by imagining yourself flowing into it, that is the method, just imagine yourself jumping into the tempbody thats it
  23. I go by the common definitions i have compiled from the guides thread and irc Also you should remember that what words for you and what you said doesnt work for everyone, and your definitions arent always the standard ones Possession is when a tulpa takes control of the body correct Switching is (commonly defined as) when the tulpa takes over as the host and the host becomes a tulpa, usually through possession or similar such as my guide. Again not everyone including this guide uses your switching method, so definitions vary from guide to guide, this guides definitions are either above or in the section for them. Those are the definitions for this guide. Because this guide doesnt use desensitizing our definitions are different indeed. Tl,dr. . . As i can figure from what ive seen, and what ive heard works from those i asked, the definition is exactly what you say isnt switching. The tulpa comes in the body and the host leaves the body. The tulpa also can feel with the bodys irl senses and the host cant, logically its more fitting to be the definition of switching because the host and tulpa really switch instead of the tulpa possessing the whole body while the host is in a daze
  24. Yes And while putting your body within the temp body your tulpa does a lot of the moving. Its in the guide i think, but yeah, your tulpa moves you basically, just sit there and give her a push to move her along and you out of your body