Spook 19

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    This is not the idiot you're searching for.
  1. I am getting this whenever I try to access 'tulpa.info', 'community.tulpa.info' seems to work just fine, as we can see.
  2. NotAnonymous, I would give you a high five and probably a hug if there wasn't this darn screen in the way. You can consider this post incredibly helpful to me and, from the looks it, several others in only the scant day or so of its existence, with more surely streaming in to view your wisdom every second! Of course there is still room for debate and postulation, but you have a clear grasp and solid understanding of tulpae that I think nearly everyone on this site could benefit from during this Age of Doubt which many seem to be experiencing. I fully support your writing all this down in a guide and having it stickied for all the world (Or at least, this corner of the internet), to see and be amazed by. (And I volunteer to help edit it, if that's something people still do in this day and age). Also, Jax deserves another high-five for his optimism up above/last page! You should be a motivational typer, or something. And Phi, I read your guide there when I first started researching here, and it was one of the most helpful I found! I think your edit certainly clears things up, though I think it was less that suggestion and more of the community's 'It is sentient, don't question anything and believe everything!' mentality that started to cause issues. Now to go fix everything I've broken over the past two months! ~Spook
  3. I can attest to the same problem/mistake as cruse. I assumed my tulpae were sentient from the start and it probably skewed my perceptions of them. (Not to blame Phi, I wholeheartedly agree with that philosophy, if one actually realizes that it is more of a way of thinking rather than something you are just automatically given). Basically, all of the conversations between myself and my tulpae to date have been (We're pretty sure) them infiltrating my consciousness and pushing my own thoughts back at me, they've never truly given me an 'alien' thought'. This type of communication certainly works. Up to a point. To get past that point, tulpae must learn how to reach out to their 'host' on their own. Which requires time and attention on all sides, something that everyone here is saying in some form or another. Kiahdaj, it isn't that people are trying to cut corners during the tulpa forcing process, it's that a lot of people, from what I've seen, don't realize the corners even exist. We got caught up in trying to make sure our tulpae are independent that we don't give them a chance to truly become so. We're all on the same side here. So please, let's all stop fighting, hold hands, and sing Kumbaya as we tulpaforce into the sunset. ~Spook (And yes, this is a better title cruse!)
  4. Lavabit does seem to be unable to accept new accounts at the moment, but that's why there's google, right? If this is still going on, we want to join! Ethan, Claire, and Kate would like to add their names to the hat. morillo.eckk@gmail.com - Ethan misibitri.eckk@gmail.com - Claire astral.eckk@gmail.com - Kate If that's unacceptable and there should only be one email per host, we have spook.eckk@gmail.com too. They'll probably take turns responding.
  5. I have to agree with Xeare here. As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that the beauty of books and words is how much they leave up to the reader visualization-wise, which is a problem for what we're trying to do here. Writing down a description of anything, tulpa, wonderland, or otherwise, can really only help your visualization in the very early stages, and requires some ability to visualize in order to even attempt it. That said, I think there would be another reason to write down a vivid description of your tulpa's form, a wonderland, or whatever else you want to 'see': consistency. If you have a general idea of what you want to see, you could write down something akin to what kakeli was talking about so that you could memorize the basic outline and concentrate on the object in question. Then you will hopefully be able to pick out more and more details each time you visualize, going beyond the words and using only your mind to bring your goal into crystal clear focus. (Personally, I'd use this more for visualizing a wonderland or something, since this would probably make it more difficult for tulpas to deviate if they so chose). Final point: I would recommend changing the font color of that heading, Sir kakeli, so that it is more visible! Also, you receive +10 points for mention of Saphira.
  6. I think you've got some very valid points here, makogeddon. A lot of which I'd say I agree with, in part. I'll also say that this is horrifically long, but takes about five to ten minutes to read. It's entirely up to the reader if that's worth it. [/\We think it is/\] First off, this: I understand where you're coming from, but I think these are two different belief-theories. Basically, it is generally stated that if you're worried about making a servitor, you'll do everything in your power to make sure your Tulpa is completely their own person. I personally think that worrying over it excessively could distance you from your Tulpa, but I believe that statement is aimed towards you taking extreme measures to prevent servitor-ism, rather than your worry causing the Tulpa to be a Tulpa. That is, the worry of potential servitor creation causes people to act powerfully to ensure it doesn't become reality. The second statement, unfailing belief in sentience, is pretty much the opposite. If you completely believe your Tulpa is sentient and constantly speak and think about them as sentient beings, they'll gain sentience a heck of a lot faster than you believing them to be an inert form in your mind for months or years before they 'should' be able to speak. I completely agree with this, but I also think you have a good point. I don't pretend to understand the inner workings of Tulpae/s, but it does seem like forming a conscious, free-thinking being would take more than a few minutes. FAQ_Man had some good points in his guides, and some bad ones, depending on your view. Personally though, I think that you believing the Tulpa to be sentient, or believing and thinking that it isn't, affects how Tulpae view themselves, and how much they push themselves to develop. I think of it sort of like raising or teaching a child: if you don’t expect things of them and push them to push themselves, they can be pretty unmotivated. Now, Tulpa have several differences from those of us physically born into the world and sometimes this logic doesn’t work as well, but I think it’s a good way to look at sentience development(or more accurately, free-thinking, independent of your own). I am pretty sure that being able to think for themselves goes hand in hand with them being able to give ‘alien’ responses: things that come way out of left field for you. Therefore, if you use the current methods, which I have, that allow tulpae and hosts to communicate much earlier than the original guides, I think that your Tulpa has to figure out a different way to communicate with you. Their responses aren’t ‘alien’, but a portion of your own thoughts reflected back at you Believing that the Tulpa is automatically gifted with thought communication probably does help them to find their voice sooner rather than later, but it could definitely lead to more parroting than progress. Who knows, some Tulpae and hosts may indeed be able to respond coherently in mindvoice within a few minutes of passive forcing, but I am fairly sure the majority, including myself, can/could not. We, my tulpa and I personally, developed a different way, over a few weeks, of communicating via a sort of mental chat room. There are many other stories of less direct means of talking to these mental companions, most believable, all possible. But the point is, it takes effort on both sides for any sort of communication method to function, so if you are expecting the Tulpa to be able to talk back, chances are that they’ll eventually figure out a way to get around your mental insanity-barriers and help you bring them crashing down. At least, it’s better than sitting there and looking at them for hours on end. So yes, believing it’s them may indeed be bullshit. But as long as you continue to search for better ways to talk to each other, I think it is around the equivalent of Tulpa steroids. Alright so, this has gone way past obscenely long, but I figured your post merited some typing. My apologies for the read, but I may as well push ahead with this last bit paragraph encyclopedia. I cannot give you concrete anything on this, as I am at about the same point you are. But here are some thoughts and observations because physics, and maybe we can all help each other out. I do believe I parrot them at times. But at that point I stop and question them directly, which normally results in their reassurance, or annoyed quip, that it was what they were about to say anyway, or that they really don’t care/couldn’t decide. Sometimes it really is just me putting a response in their voice though, so parroting could be a definite problem if you simply believe that everything that seems to come from you tulpa, is your tulpa. I agree with Malix there, it would be amazingly beneficial to set up some sort of system which /only/ the tulpa could use. I haven’t had any particular success there, but then again, I haven’t really spent much time on it as I can generally discern them over myself. But back to your main point, are the large majority of us deceiving ourselves into believing we have fully functioning Tulpae on par with the Tibetan standards of old? On the whole, I’d say probably not. I am fairly sure a large part of the community has yet to celebrate their first Tulpa’s birthday, and of those, very, very few can claim impeccable imposition and crystal clear vocality, both of which were (as far as I know) the main focus of Tibetan practices. But then again, it most certainly differs from person to person and giving a general consensus on this question is pretty much impossible. I think if one focuses less of the ‘self-deceiving’ aspect of Tulpae, and more on looking for new, creative, and fun ways of interacting with them, Things Actually Happen. Okay, we’re at about English paper-length, so let’s finish in style In Conclusion, everything about Tulpas is a matter of perspective. Nothing works for everyone and everything works for someone. We don’t all know what Tulpae ‘should’ be, we just know what we we’ve read, experienced, and heard about. Believing that everything you randomly think is your Tulpa sending you an encoded signal could be the worst thing in the world for some people, and then again, it could be the spark needed to break through someone’s mental blockade against alien thoughts.-- And then Viceroy. That is a response to take to heart, thanks for that. It also breaks the things I had previously typed here, which is a good thing since now I can’t say I believe them. --Let me just throw this out there on the topic of the questionable, ”if you think you're doing it right, then you're doing it right” thing. I don’t believe in that either, but I do think that “If you believe it, your tulpa can achieve it,” because, at the very least, it will hopefully get them to try (See previous child analogy). Also, one other thing I’d like to say (because at this point what else am I going to do tonight?), Okay, here’s something I want to say, a penny for your thoughts. I think that the main thing Tulpae truly need to work on is independent thinking, what some call parallel processing. Perhaps, when Irish and FAQ_Man yapped away at their supposedly mute Tulpae (No disrespect intended, I understand why they did what they did), those Tulpae had to figure out how to think for themselves and break through to their hosts all on their own, resulting in a fully independent and ‘alien’ consciousness at the start of vocality. If that is true, then our current, ‘liberal’, viewpoint of host-deafness and such, and our motivated attempts to breach through the wall protecting us from insanity ourselves, do not give our tulpae anywhere near the time needed to develop full independent thought. They rely pretty much entirely on our own thoughts to speak and voice opinions yet are still undeniably /there/. Basically, our tulpae exist, but have absolutely no experience thinking on their own. As far as they can tell, they exist only when you’re thinking about them (To varying degrees and all that, but that is the essence of the problem). If that’s true, then what we, the people who’ve tried and failed to embrace the newage Tulpalogic by creating and reaching out to our mental companions so soon, should work on is helping our Tulpae help themselves. Here is my own experience at practicing this: I’ve played chess, rather successfully, with two of my Tulpae, and those times were far different from idly attempting to hold conversations with them (I should note that I used a physical board both times, and plan to continue doing so to help imposition). We attempted the recent flash animation ball-game-test-thing with pretty poor results across the board no matter which way we tried it (It is located in the research board), and it felt more like they were just throwing a random count at me rather than actively trying to partake in the test. I have also taken to asking them what they are thinking about, and if they weren’t, telling them to try (Just today, so I cannot give results one way or the other. But logically, it could help them gain self awareness of their own thoughts so they aren’t simply following mine). At first we (The community) believed (It seems, in general, not starting a flame war or anything) that the Host was supposed to be able do the vast majority of the work in this process by devoting a boatload of time and mental concentration into creating the Tulpa from the ground up. Now we (generally) say that Tulpae are born pretty much fully sentient and formed, and it is we who are blind and deaf and must work to sense them. Both sides can yield valid results, but, as with all things in this realm of the mind, nothing works for everyone. So, in closing (For real this time, we hope), I think the key to achieving whatever levels of tulpamagic those who came before us possessed lies not in blind belief, but active work on the Tulpa’s /and/ Host’s parts. The most important, or at least, a pretty important, part of the process for us is to work /with/ our Tulpae to develop independent thought. This isn’t a project you can work on solo, you have to get your newfound friend (Or what-relationship-have-you), to work with you so you can help them help themselves to help us all. ~Spook Out, Thank God (Or whatever higher power you believe in, or heck, just thank [me].) Written with help from James[], Claire//, and Kate\\.