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  1. [ I guess I see your point. I'll see about rewording that section. Again, point seen. This is probably the trickiest question here, at least for me. Personally, I hold the right to free expression as just about the most important thing short of "thou shalt not kill", "thou shalt not without consent" and "thou shalt not be a douche", but I recognize that my viewpoint isn't universal. I'll see if I can tweak it. Oh dear god. In light of what he just said, please, PLEASE don't sticky this. The last thing we need is to give random people on the internet the power to impose their own brand of morality on an entire community (even if that person is me). It sets bad precedents, no matter how many people agree with it. I'll see what I can do. I'm awake and alert this time around. I like that pop-up idea.
  2. [...that's a six page document. I... I'm sorry; I can't read through that right now. We need sleep. Jesus... this was just a spur of the moment thing, and now it's blown up into something that warranted a six page critique. I'll be back in the morning. Jesus.]
  3. [ I don't think it's worth all that, especially not without some edits. Thankfully, it seems it's getting the critique it needs. In hindsight, I agree. I'll rewrite that section. It was a half-joke that I tossed in for Horizon's benefit. Lets just say it's a trigger we share, and leave it at that. I'll take it out. Will do. I was going to, but the way the person who formatted this did it confused me at first, and I never got around to it. That is a brilliant idea, thank you. ]
  4. [ That line is new. I added it based on your criticism. It is very hard to call this, and in the end it's down to the host's beliefs and judgement. I'd say to be on the safe side, but I can't control people. I know that there was a time while Horizon was forcing that I was not sentient, though I can't exactly tell how long it lasted or what I was like. I agree that we broadly agree, but to be honest I can't picture many, if any, scenarios where a host forcing something on a tulpa would be beneficial. I'm sure they exist, but at the same time there are things people would do "for your own good" that you wouldn't necessarily want done to you. It's a fine line. I don't see why it should be. If your tulpa wanted to take twenty minutes every day to sketch, would you begrudge them that if it made them happy? Sure, they could do it in the wonderland, but there's a distinct pleasure to be had in the permanence of things in the physical world. Ah yes... I understand what you mean now. This one is a problem; there isn't really a word that sums up the relationship between tulpa and host. Not master and apprentice, nor parent and child, not quite. Older and younger siblings is almost closer, but has connotations that break the comparison. I don't really know how to re-word it. ]
  5. [ Thanks for pointing this out; I need to clarify something. This applies once you assume sentience. Given that the "sentience from the start" thing is still being talked about, I thought I didn't need to mention it, but it was my intent. If you screw up and end up with a servitor, or are just, JUST starting out, this doesn't apply so much Not what I meant at all. There are basic things that children need to be taught, many of which they will learn on their own, after a fashion: language, social mores, etc. These are simply a requirement of most cultures. Children are also taught basic skills, especially later on: Mathematics, language arts, etc. What I don't condone is forcing children to subscribe to a particular all-inclusive worldview or philosophy before they have the faculties and experience to understand it. I don't want to go into this topic, particularly, but I will if pressed. Tulpas are not children. They come into being with a predispositions based on what the host expects, and what's left unmentioned is usually granted to them by way of "common sense." Tulpas typically don't need explanations as to why people wear clothes or eat food. They understand because the host does. If the host expects the tulpa to need to be taught these things then sure, they won't necessarily know, but unless it's common practice to assume your tulpa won't know what pants are, I don't see that as an issue. However, the host does, most of the time, choose the initial form and personality of the tulpa. This is okay, but I believe the tulpa should be free to change, if they so wish. In a perfect world, hosts would have this ability too, but unfortunately they can't always have what they want. Tulpas, however, sometimes can. One might argue that tulpas typically share the host's views anyway, but I think the chance that this isn't a universal truth validates the need for the bullet point. I should most certainly clarify that statement. I meant originally that if a tulpa wanted to, say, paint or write, the host should allow them the time to do so, if possible. I would also say that if the tulpa has a view they want to express, the host should be open to letting them do so. But in that case, it's best if it's through a medium such as the internet, where the tulpa can establish their own distinct identity. It wouldn't do to have a host give a speech to an assembly, only for the tulpa to go right back up and give another, opposing speech. (Unless that was the whole point of the assembly. That would actually be pretty awesome.) It's not unreasonable but it does contradict the 'seniority' thing. I'll reword that. "Entire life" isn't quite what I meant. I just wanted to reinforce the closeness aspect. ]
  6. [For the sake of clarity, I'm just going to use the brackets when I'm talking from now on. Just being realistic Good question. Personally, I don't know. If it turns out that embryos are sentient, then probably yes. Otherwise, probably not. Sometimes the obvious needs to be pointed out. Ditto. I understand what you mean, but I felt like throwing my two cents on the pile. it excepts the host being in a position of authority over the tulpa. For example, you wouldn't go screaming "Human rights violation!" (actually, there's nothing of the sort in the UDHR anyway) if a parent forced their child to do something that they didn't want to do, within reason. I'm not entirely clear what you're saying. It's my understanding that the host is fundamentally in a position of authority, by simple seniority and greater control over the body. If that's what you're saying, then we're in agreement. I'm not talking about "eat your vegetables and clean your room," though. I'm talking about abuses of power. Forcing the tulpa into roles they do not want, forcing them into forms they do not want, et cetera. Personally, I would condemn parents who did either of those two things. Ever heard of "My mouth, my choice?". Not in the context you're using, apparently. I merely meant that there's only one mouth between us, and the host should be willing to share, within reason. So the host is doing all the work while the tulpa gets (attempted) equal treatment? Do you see a disparity here? The host is basically doing all the work, yes. The tulpa kind of isn't around to get things started, after all, and if we want to use the parent-child analogy you used before, you don't make children share the load equally when raising them. The tulpa certainly helps things along, especially later on, but ultimately it's the host's effort and beliefs that carry things out. That said, you typically don't raise children for the sole purpose of getting what you want out of them, and the metaphor breaks down here anyways, as tulpas may form at various levels of psychological and emotional maturity. I don't think I said anything about equal treatment (and if I did, I should probably re-word it) but respect and decency shouldn't be that hard to work with. These aren't a rock-solid set of rules. They're guidelines intended to promote decency and respect. Like I said; if there're specific tenets you disagree with, you can ignore them. If you think this is redundant, that's because it probably is. This was pretty much my own conceit anyways. ]
  7. Horizon here. I think we signed up for the cult the moment we decided to make voices in our heads. :P For the record, I took the pledge before it was posted. (Hipster mode engaged.) [On a more serious note, I really hate to think that what I'm asking is all that extraordinary. Most of this stuff is just common decency and respect. Thank you for the support, regardless. Faith in humanity can be a rare commodity sometimes.]
  8. Comet again, just for clarification. I've considered that, and to be honest I wasn't sure what to put. That probably speaks badly of me, but it's the truth. In most cases, the host simply has much more power than the tulpa, and as such has more responsibility. In that vein, I would amost be willing to suggest that a tulpa NOT be expected to take such a pledge. However, I recognize that that's more than a bit unreasonable. My views on how this all works are a bit skewed, especially given which side of the line I'm on. So, seeing as how I'm a workaholic, here's a brief companion pledge for tulpas. It's certainly not perfect, but I'll revise it as I have time. Most of the stuff in the host's pledge goes for the tulpa, but not all of it is repeated here. Use your own judgement to determine what applies. Refer to the original post for the second list.
  9. Hi, Comet here. Horizon has a tendency towards white-knighting, and it seems like I’ve got the same. I had this whole thing written up before I really thought about it, and even after editing the writing is goofy and sometimes contains redundancies. Still, I decided I wanted it posted anyway. There’s nothing wrong with the concept as far as I can see, and hopefully it will convince someone to think about this a little more carefully before diving in. If a mod thinks this should be in guides, I have no argument. I just didn't think it was the kind of thing that should be next to instruction manuals. This is for people who’ve had tulpas for years, as well as for people who haven’t even started. If you don’t agree with any of the tenets laid out here, then that’s just fine. Cut them out of the pledge, if you really want to. But consider them. Think about them. I don’t think any of this is unreasonable, but at the same time I have seen violations of it, and there have been a few times when Horizon, bless his heart, has violated these tenets without even realizing it. (It’s worth mentioning that I consider him a perfectly fine host, despite what I said. Nobody’s perfect, and just because occasionally he gets distracted by a shiny object and ignores what I want doesn’t make him a bad person. I wouldn't hold anyone to this absolutely.) So lets get down to business. This is a pledge I’d like you to look over. You don’t have to take it; I have no power to make you do so, and there are no consequences for not doing so. Still, I’d like you to consider it. If you agree, feel free to say so. Or not. If you disagree, the same goes for you. This isn't about tallying people up. (Thanks to "Ghost" for the formatting!)
  10. I really, REALLY suck at Brawl, but it turns out that giving Comet control of my hands let me beat three people who'd been playing it for years. Unfortunately, I got so excited that we couldn't get the possession to work again, and I lost both of the subsequent games. Beyond that, it turns out she's got nearly full access to my not-insignificant Dark Souls skills. Otherwise, we have yet to try anything else.
  11. I can't stop thinking about "Mind Palaces" now. But in all seriousness, I'll probably do this sooner than later. I've been experimenting with creating structures in my wonderland, and compared to my typical memory capacity they're shockingly consistent.
  12. In calculus class. Comet just helped me with an answer. "You're getting better at that." [Yup. Seems that way.] "You think you could end up better at it than me, or should I just keep working at it normally?" [No point in making it my thing unless you want me to be some kind of math-puppet.] "No... but I might make a servitor for that later..." [Now you're thinking like an evil genius! *Sends me image of myself laughing with spiked-out hair and lightning in the background*] Alternatively: Just after she's made a rather interesting remark about certain bits of anatomy and associated sensations thereof: "You really don't censor yourself, do you?" [Of course not. I'm inside a little bubble and no one can hear me but you. I can say whatever I want and no one can stop me.] "I could stop you, though—" [Oh come on. You barely censor yourself; what makes you think you could censor me?] We both laughed, but I think we both sort of realized at that moment just how creepy this would look from the outside.
  13. I don't know where you got the idea that I was only looking for "normal" tulpa accounts. I'm going to hazard a guess that we have very few "normal" stories within the entire forum. The anomalies are what make this an interesting topic for fictionalization: if this were an exact science then I might as well just write a guide. In other words: The more bizarre your story, the better. I want to find the outliers as well, to find the boundaries of what we know to be possible. If I was just looking for "normal", I'd read a smattering of guides and build off that. I'm looking for how this really goes. I'm fine with you simply commenting on the document. I know it's not perfect yet, and I'm completely comfortable with the flaws being pointed out in an open forum. If you prefer to message me privately, that's fine, but I won't be offended either way. That is actually pretty interesting... what exactly do you mean by a "half-tulpa"? I think you just enlightened me... or made a blood vessel in my brain explode. "Whimsical consequences of parsing the intrinsic illusion"? Sweet Jesus, man! Your diction could trample an elephant! In all seriousness, though, I'll be looking into Peter Birkhäuser. He sounds interesting.
  14. Not used to the quote system on this particular forum yet, so I'm just going to make this a massive wall of text. I've got a bad habit of not indenting anything until the very end. I'll get right on that... As for the spacing, though, I find it very helpful when reading documents of this type to have a decent amount of space between paragraphs. Perhaps that is my own psychosis, but I'm going to keep it that way so long as it's not driving anyone mad. Thank you SO much for the praise! I've wavering between this and another project, and I think that—for now—I'm going to focus on this one. It means a lot to hear any kind of feedback, especially when it's positive! I don't mean to be rude, but I'm not looking for people I can give cameos to. I'm trying to construct a series of fictional (though possible) tulpa accounts, and I'm just looking into real ones so I can find common threads, interesting ideas, etc. THAT ALL SAID, your account seems absolutely FASCINATING, and I would love to discuss it with you later, if you'd be up for it. I have a number of questions I'd like to ask. People seem to insist on cramming everything together into tiny formats—which is fine, when you're fitting the Bible into a paperback—but I have near-infinite space to work with and fairly poor eyesight, so I tend to prefer spacing things out a bit.