Aesteus

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    Too balla' to post. Also ballas aint lern to edukate n rite stuff.
  1. Bumping for replies, and for additional clarity, I'd like to restate my position as concisely as possible. Claim: Based on the reports I've read on/off this forum, tulpas are incapable of independent thought, and therefore cannot be sentient. Note: The above disregards tulpa behavior that is unexpected and situations wherein tulpas claim they are capable of independent thought, because neither of these things is proof of independence as demonstrated in my previous post. My experience is that when tulpas are told to think about something, and the host later asks them for results that would have required time to think about, it's evident the tulpa was unable to do so. Definition: I'll define sentience as the ability to actively perceive things that exist. I'll avoid hazy psychological distinctions by saying that this state exists when the conscious mind exists. For our purposes, how the conscious mind is maintained or comes into existence is irrelevant. Structure of proof: For a tulpa to have a distinct sentience implies that it has a consciousness that is separate from the host's consciousness. This implies that it has the capacity for independent thought by the definition of separate consciousness. Based on the properties of tulpas (individual memories, capacity for language, etc ... ), this would seem to imply that tulpas have the ability to reason in stages independently of their hosts (see multi-step problem solving). However, this seems to contradict the many user reports of tulpa independence that I've read. Therefore, tulpas cannot be sentient. QED. Relevance of claim: I cannot proceed with my tulpa's development as long as I believe the above claim. Therefore, I urgently would like a someone to contribute an example wherein their tulpa conclusively demonstrated independent thought. (Ex: "I read a brain teaser to my tulpa, began doing something else, and five minutes later he came to me with the solution." Ex #2: "My tulpa can perform double digit multiplication on his own.")
  2. You have the gist of my argument correct, though I would switch parallel processing with multi-step problem solving. But am I to infer that you're a tupla, and that you figured out that 342+143=485? If so that's incredibly helpful, because everything I've read indicates tuplas being unable to do more than simple single-digit addition. I'm also very mathematically inclined, I'm a math/science double major and I figured out the GRE challenge problem in a few seconds, so if my tulpa couldn't calculate I would be pretty disappointed. What else can you do if I might ask? Can you independently do a task that takes more than "seconds". My entire logic was inductively based on my observations of tulpas being incapable of multi-step problem solving. What you said goes against that idea. So you see, I'm really trying not to hold to any convictions, but I can't ignore my above logic. I've made a falsifiable claim, and I'm simply waiting until somebody can step in and give me a counterexample. Edit: I should also ask if you're able to instantly see that 342+143=485 without any conscious effort, which is something I just considered. If you practice left-to-right addition instead of right-to-left, that could easily be true. In that case, my excitement might be a bit premature. Maybe 64*27 would be a better question.
  3. Yup, that's the test. I completed it by consciously counting the blue balls and then guessing the number of red balls based on what it had looked like. My results demonstrated that a tulpa might easily be generating fake responses and not actually processing anything. That's something I had been considering. However, I reasoned that since tulpas seem to show not just an inability to solve problems in parallel, but also an inability to problem solve period, that they are unable to access the regions of the brain responsible for said problem solving. For example, I could just as easily tell my tulpa, "give me the answer to 342+143 in eight hours", and they would be unable to do so. Or a non-mathematical problem could be issued. Our discussion therefore holds for parallel and sequential processing abilities. And if a human had these mental disabilities, they could hardly be considered sentient. The thread you posted only supports my fears unfortunately. People reported receiving unexpected responses from their tulpas, who had "been thinking about [their response] for a while", but at the same time were unable to direct their tulpas to independently think about something which they consciously suggested. If one's tulpa did have the ability to think on it's own, then that tulpa shouldn't be unable to think about something when given a directive. This strongly suggests that the tulpas quoted were not sentient, and were only producing unexpected responses in accordance with their hosts' expectations that they do so. Furthermore, since the "unable to problem solve but can generate unexpected responses" situation seems typical among tulpa owners [based on my experience], this suggests a generalization to many/all tulpas. Finally, the fact that my dreams generate unexpected circumstances frequently, and that I'm hardly atypical, implies that the brain can easily generate surprises when given the initiative. So is that all we're doing here? Do the many math threads wherein tulpas show a complete inability to solve multi-step arithmetic problems, coupled with what seems like a complete lack of tulpa independence when directed, imply that we're all deluding ourselves? It seems that we train our brains for months to think erratically, and that's what happens. I'd really like to believe the alternative that tulpas are sentient, but I'm unable to while the current evidence stands. Since tulpa creation demands that we unconsciously believe in their existence, I don't think I could easily proceed at this point. I don't know that I'd want to if it was just me talking to myself. Can anyone help me out here?
  4. Hey. This is my first post, but I'm already very familiar with tulpa-forming. I've been lurking around this forum long enough to have read most of the guides, and I'm in the process of creating my own tulpa. However, motivation to continue has been a problem lately because of my doubts when it comes to the idea of tulpas being sentient. For example, if a tulpa really represents an autonomous and fully separate set of mental processes, then surely this should imply host/tulpa parallel processing or unconscious problem solving to some extent. However, I haven't been able to find any reliable threads/anecdotes detailing feats of obvious parallel processing or the like. This could include arithmetic problems that take more than 15 seconds to solve, brain teasers, etc ... The main example I found was a ball counting game, where the host counts the number of falling red balls and their tulpa counts the number of falling blue balls. However, I tried this on my own and easily guessed both numbers correctly/(to high accuracy) multiple times. So is there any actual evidence out there? What are your experiences?