Yakumo

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    And I remember... I... I... I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out, I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it... I never want to forget.
    And then I realized - like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond, a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God... the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than me, because they could stand that. These were not monsters, these were tulpas - trained individuals who had friends, families, who were filled with love. But they had the strength - the strength... to do that.
    You have to have tulpas who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to act without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment! Because it's judgment that defeats us.

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  1. Hmm, too bad Sands isn't around anymore so I guess it's up to me then... Naturally I think your concepts and exercises can be helpful for personal growth and I see no issues with them in general, it should rather be common sense. However you tell us the massive and highly metaphysical part of a belief system (chakra healing) is not required and then continue to introduce it to us more or less unchanged. If this is not supposed to be meta but a psychological guide why we need chakras at all? What benefit has this term to someone unfamiliar with the clearly metaphysical concept behind it? This is what Sands criticized as symbolism. Your personal framework of beliefs and symbols may hold great significance to you but is of little use to anyone else not invested in them. Expanding such belief system loaded with obscure "knowledge" is unnecessary or even harmful if it becomes a doctrine. In other words - using meta terms without the meta is kinda - just why? If it is not required, drop it for the sake of simplicity and clarity. You call it a psychological guide yourself. You know this is not a personal attack against you, why would I do that. But just think about who this guide is supposed to be for. Those with meta beliefs can just stick to the original shadow work or chakra healing concepts readily available. Those allergic to meta beliefs will go 'that's where I stopped reading' after a few lines. Question is - can you distill the useful fundamentals? It is of course fine and helpful to explain initially which terms are used in chakra healing and what abstract concepts lie behind them but I see no benefit in continuing to use them afterwards. Again, it's not me telling you what you are 'allowed' to post here, far from that. Just thinking a guide about these techniques completely free of metaphysical 'buzzwords' would be much more valuable to those outside of spiritual / meta communities than some mixture. Well this is just my 2 cents, I've been curious about how that shadow work you kept talking about was supposed to function.
  2. Wat - I thought you were referring to MY third headmate hence the question who' supposed to be the second?? I think I'm going to sleep.
  3. Heh, how did you come up with Dürer's Wheel of Fortune? It's spun by time on the right and a sly fox with big balls to the left and symbolizes the injustice of life. Three noble birds are at the bottom or desperately clinging on, an eagle (Adler) left, peacock (Pfab) in the middle and falcon (Falck) right, while three associated with bad luck are at the top. A jay left (Heher), a pheasant right (Fashun) and the annoying and thieving magpie (Middle Old German: Agerlaster = Elster) with a crown in the middle. Apart from the magpy which took me a while all names are pretty much the same in modern German or at least sound the same though written a bit differently. Albrecht Dürer was a truly master of 16th century memes, many of his images are really dark humor. Also I'd rather stick to sacrificing animals which are actually edible before we start the next pandemic bat soup style.
  4. Not done yet, I've long wanted to post this but never did because lazy but as it is so fitting in many ways I'd like to come back to an article I think Linkzelda posted years ago.
  5. Applying the concept of Divergent Modes of Religiosity to tulpa forcing and community structure The DMR theory deals with the development and tradition of religious concepts but it can be applied to pretty much any group, knowledge or skill including tulpamancy. It proposes two divergent paths - a 'primitive' imagistic and a 'developed' doctrinal mode of tradition of knowledge or learning, both offering specific benefits and drawbacks. My first hypothesis is that imagistic and doctrinal concepts can be applied to both the tulpa community and the forcing process and that communities generally tend to develop from imagistic to doctrinal ones once their userbase becomes more diverse and fluctuating. The imagistic early tulpa community mostly consisted of either individuals sharing a common chan culture or people involved in occult practices, some discovered tulpas without a community at all. They were highly motivated and emotionally invested in tulpa creation which often involved highly intense forcing and meditation sessions. Without formalization everyone tried for themselves and lived through a novel process without much guidance or knowing what to expect, merely sharing their experiences with a close-knit group which was extreme in itself. Both in terms of humor and insults, not necessarily making a distinction between the two. The doctrinal later tulpa community featured a much more diverse userbase drawn in by primary experiences of older users and following their guides. Their reason for tulpa creation were also much more diverse and they generally stuck to frequent forcing sessions of moderate intensity rather than extraordinary ordeals. This community became increasingly structured or you may say – tame and rejected initial extremes both in forcing techniques and community culture, similarly meeting novel or unorthodox ideas with growing scepticism. Debate led to a certain consensus and formalization manifesting in rules and guides. My second hypothesis is that both methods work well, though they may lead to tulpas with different attributes as Pleeb and Bear already pointed out. In practice of course most people will apply a mixture of both methods. Imagistic vs. doctrinal forcing What we teach in this community is almost pure doctrinal forcing which is formalized, canonized and subject to orthodoxy checks while gradually evolving through feedback and debate. More or less logical, reasonable and for most people reproducible with a certain result - an autonomous character capable of interacting with its creator. Above all it is achievable in relatively short time with a manageable input of work and without subjecting one to painful or otherwise extreme ordeals. There is little wrong with this method as long as tulpamancers love their creations and fill their existence with a personal meaning. However one point of criticism or caveat is that such tulpas may end up (no offense!) somehow hollow, limited in their abilities and autonomy as well as fragile. Bear brought up the difference between his tulpas and other characters he created. My third hypothesis is that extraordinary strong tulpas are the result of imagistic forcing, meaning extreme emotional or even traumatic shared experiences leading to episodic memory and identity fusion. Think of members of a military squad who've gone through hell together blindly relying on one another or my favorite analogue - the prehistoric hunting community acting like a superorganism without commands similar to a pack of wolves. All for one, one for all. Such relationships created by identity fusion tend to be antifragile meaning they do not suffer but actually deepen under severe stress, an attribute Pleeb has associated with strong long-lived tulpas able to overcome hardships in their development. Obviously you do not have to go that far but you get the idea, it's about life-changing almost spiritual revelations. Such cannot be taught, they need to be experienced first-hand. Take-home message: Ask yourself what you want to achieve and how much you are willing to invest in order to get there. It's a broad spectrum between the easy but potentially boring doctrinal path and the imagistic path extreme in input and result. In any case a promising way to deepen and strengthen tulpa-host relations is sharing novel, challenging and highly emotional experiences. Sorry for that textwall, I hope it makes any sense. It is not the most straightforward and easy-to-grasp concept and just a simplified model but I think it is highly relevant in many aspects. I’d like to hear your ideas on it. HW_2002_Modes_of_Religiosity.pdf
  6. Yes, I agree. However keep in mind that back then the active community was large and only few reached outstanding results, not anyone. Many quit soon. What I think the most successful ones had in common is that they developed things on their own without much formal guidance but great passion. As you said they did not know what to expect, the had a dream and invested considerable resources into it. The early community was kind of like the Chinese Sage painfully letting students figure out how things worked on their own. A slow and seemingly inefficient process reinventing the wheel for everyone but the final results of some who followed through were spectacular. I guess that goes for a lot of skills. Guides for building characters in your mind can be a cage and a chore. One reason hour counts fell out of favor. The mind doesn't work by producing output Y from input X and progress is vastly different. Guides certainly can help you achieve a result faster but not necessarily better. Pretty much like, let's say drawing. The best guide and hundreds of painful hours of diligently following exercises will never give you the results of a self-taught artist invested in his work. Lastly don't underestimate a community. Starting a journey into novel experiences together is an enormous incentive and incredibly fun. That's another key. Getting into the flow of doing things you love with people you like to hang out with will effortlessly give you excellent results. You can't force that, it has to come naturally.
  7. It was definitely supposed to be you as the forum user Bear. I do not know what you did though but I think it was pretty mundane. Another more detailed dream: Lumi was receiving an award - while sitting upright in bed. He was a guy in a blue T-shirt but rather skinny and with short brown hair. There were lots of press photographers standing around and the reward was an oven grate full of sausages clad in ham. Somehow I felt I had to clean some grease from the rim of the grate for the photo and that's when things went terribly wrong. The more I tried to clean, the more of a mess I made. I ended up pouring a lot of water over the sausages and thought omg I ruined Lumi's award. No one reacted but it was a really stressful experience. It's even more hilarious considering what Lumi wrote about sausages the other day but I swear this is how it happened in early April according to my dream diary. Fede gave me a hard time in dreams twice but even that was pretty normal compared to his real shenanigans
  8. Unfortunately not, I didn't remeber ;_; My dream diary only says you were there in bear form but not just any bear, THE Bear. It was around the time we did the VPT episode in which you appeared so I guess it's related. I do not recall you being angry though.
  9. I somehow take everything for granted in dreams and never bother to reality check. Also I've dreamt more about tulpamancers than about my tulpa. Just why? Tulpamancers which appeared in my dreams: Bear Fede Glitch Lumi Mistgod Sands waffles I don't recall dreaming about any other tulpas but several 2h characters.
  10. Hmm, I'd say all of this is relatable and a perfectly natural reaction to an insane and deeply inhumane world. But in the end - Cui bono? I am also someone constantly overthinking stuff and trying to solve the most complex problems that don't actually concern me - hell I'm doing it right now. I know it's hard - especially for intelligent and pondering people who desire to understand how and why exactly things work and want to find perfect solutions but one of the few benefits of getting old is you learn to accept certain stuff you can't change and direct your increasingly limited time and energy towards the important things in your life you can actually influence. I'm still awful at setting my priorities straight but I try. And having a very straightforward no-bullshit utilitarian tulpa helps. We also have our discussions on who's actually fronting, said what or even who's who or was in the past but I think it's entertaining at best. Doesn't matter at all as long as it works, there are more important goals to work on. Also I don't think a healthy dose of escapism and solipsism is bad, it's rather a necessary and very effective coping mechanism. Everyone does it to a certain degree. I mean, facing the world straight on without any deeper personal meaning is - devastating. That's why religions are so popular. In the end they're nothing more than collective escapism. But they help people to deal with the world and share a common dream. Also as Bear said don't dwell on things you can't change. Don't concern yourself with things you have no control over and which do not benefit you. Especially in difficult times. Use your energy wisely to heal and grow, try to surround yourself with beneficial people and throw anything harmful out of your life. It's not worth dealing with. Ignorance can be a bliss sometimes. In the end you may not be able to save the world but to carve out a niche to live in comfortably with some dear people. I think this forum is a pretty good self-help group as lots of us are dealing with similar problems. Just remember you're never alone. I think that's the most awesome thing about tulpa-host relations. I'd also feel severely 'incomplete' and pretty vulnerable if Ido wasn't around and interfering with my thinking. And the other way round when sort-of(?) switched. Doesn't matter, works. And lastly, hats-off to bearing the burden of daily life for your host, there are not many tulpas willing and able to do that.
  11. Sounds like something only a bear would eat.
  12. As Bavarian I recommend Weisswurst. It's neither cooked nor preserved with salt or nitrite so very perishable and traditionally has to be eaten before noon. If not you know where your upset stomach comes from.