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  1. In a few guides/posts/etc., people often say "you could switch out of the body but have no one switch in, then you'd just go catatonic." However, I don't think I've actually ever seen anyone talk about what it's like if nobody is fronting and everyone in switched out. By "switched out" I mean they're unaware/inactive, that sort of thing. What would happen if everyone switched out? Would the body kick into autopilot? Would it go catatonic? Would it fall asleep? Would somebody get forced into the front? Is it even possible? In our experience as tulpas, it's hard to go inactive if there's not somebody else ready to take over. It would probably be a bit tricky to get to the point where everyone is switched out in this way. The closest we ever get in a situation like that is just sort of observing the body from the "backseat" so to speak, and "telling" it what to do, but not going inactive. Anyone have experience with this sort of thing?
  2. Quite often, after C fronts, we don't formally switch back. Either something makes me jump back into the body (he can't use my voice, so I have to grab control for long conversations out loud), or it happens slowly. C will be getting tired and having a weaker control on the body, until suddenly I move, not C- and I realize I'm fronting now. It's a confusing experience like no other. In order to figure out who is fronting, either one of us asks "Who's home?" and we see who answers first or loudest. Our mind-voices sound different. However, just today, I forget to do any of that. We were watching Netflix with C fronting at first, when suddenly we were all mixed up- someone wanted to get a glass of water, but we weren't sure who. C freaked out first and threw the body back my way, but I still felt like he was fronting. I went through the steps I use to switch: seeing a dot of my color in my head, and imagining colored light growing from that dot into all of my body, giving me control. I got up to get the water, and everything felt off. I almost like I was outside of my body. watching myself from behind. It was dissociation stronger than I've felt in years. Everything was suddenly further away, and I wasn't quite sure where that imaginary dot of my mind was, anymore. I felt like just a body, with no mind-presence. My heart was pounding and I felt light-headed, dizzy, but not really any emotion. Things went south when I walked over to pet my dog. He has a fenced section of the living room. I was leaning over the fence and, due to everything seeming far away, I leaned way too close. I just kind of... collapsed over it, taking the fence down with me. C's still scared. I feel pretty bad that I did scare him, as today is his one-month birthday. So... clearly this is some sort of blending? I have a hunch that I've been switching irresponsibly. What can I do to avoid this? Is it unwise to switch with a young tulpa? We've been switching daily for a week, if only for a few minutes. Thank you for any advice you can offer... I'm not exactly thrilled by this experience. It sounds a little more like the "ooo spooky evil tulpa" crap you find people getting paranoid about, though I blame my poor switching hygiene for this all. I just don't want to fall down a flight of stairs, next. -J
  3. My system has been fronting/possessing in various ways for almost a year now, trying out different methods with the hopes of eventually improving. However, when in control, our host is still always there, always able to take full control back without even realizing it. As some may know, our goal is to fully switch. While I have been fronting as much as possible lately, there is still the issue that he simply cannot leave the front, and if he dissociates then I do too. We can't separate enough. If he dissociates, the body either freezes up or slips into autopilot, even if I am fronting. And if I do something, then he will be snapped out of it. Our focus is tied to each other's, and it becomes a tug-of-war of who pays attention to what rather than it occurring simultaneously. For example, he will be mildly dissociated at work, while the body is on autopilot. If he dissociates enough, the body starts to feel like it falls asleep. If I start to apply myself to the front to do something such as count out change, then this will be reversed and he will be focused, too. If he meditates and dissociates, then afterwards we just feel really sleepy. If I am talking in a voice call and he tries to step away, then I won't be able to speak. If I do, he comes back. Others we've spoken to don't seem to have this problem at all, even people whose tulpas have existed maybe a few weeks. They have this down, and so they have switching down. Try as we might, we can't seem to separate our attention or lack thereof, and if we try then it just ends up being a rapid shift between who does what. I'm trying to talk to others in the system more and have us all talk to each other, so we feel more distinct, at least in reference to mental speech. Maintaining separation through speaking to each other or visualization is difficult, especially if things come up, but that's likely normal and not an issue if we keep trying. What do you think we should do that will increase our ability to separate and eventually switch? I'm not just talking exercises, I'm talking long-term. I want my host to be dissociated and not affect the body whatsoever while I am in full focus and control, without a mental struggle of shifting between attention. Also, don't link Tulpa001's guide, I am well aware of its existence and have already looked through what's written on this subject there. Additionally, how can my host lose control of the body? Ie, he can't move it at all and has zero input, and instead I am in control.
  4. My interest is related to creating a tulpa, but isn't actually in creating a tulpa per se. Instead, I'm interested in whether it's possible to use some of the same techniques to essentially create an alter-ego which feels as real and coherent as one's standard ego, and to swap between them at will. Something like how David Bowie and others have created personae that they wear, but on a deeper level. I don't mean some kind of thing where I dissociate, though. There would be no sense that I'm no longer in the driver's seat but just watching and going through the motions or anything like that. Instead, I would have created (and thus have access to) a whole new modality or style of thinking, into which I can switch. Much like how people instinctively code-switch when moving from a private to a professional setting, for instance, or speaking different languages, but more dramatic. What would be the most effective way to do this? Is there any danger in doing so? Does anyone here have any experience in doing so?
  5. Helloes. I came back to ask y'all about terminology; I think this is the only place that has such a peculiar definition of switching. And I want some ideas. I'm a very active person in the physical world. I study, I write, I play violin. Our experiments show that I have way better motoric when it comes to violin, although my hostey has enough of theoretical knowledge to produce sounds. It's just he wouldn't be as smooth and I am with it. Year to year I came to neglect my wonderland. I find any activity there to be rather boring. I definitely use wonderland-like experience to write my stories, and I perfected my immersion techniques. It's just that I don't play wonderlands anymore on my own. The nature of our life is such that either we need to have lots of brainpower in prolonged time. Hostey uses that for intensive work. I use that for writing and music. While we both do that, we have a similar experience of our companion to fade out of existence. I cannot do anything meaningful when he's busy with work. Likewise, he can barely think if I'm deep into practicing a tune. It's not too hard to come back to senses once the intense part of the work is over, but we are definitely not present at the same time while working. I used to create some fake memories when I was blanking out like that, but eventually I realised their true nature of being fake memories and I stopped. There's no sense to imagine what could have been, as you fully understand it's fake. I guess some people find the notion of host blanking out as freaky and scary. Myself, I see no point to keep hostey conscious when I work any more than he does the same. Being an effective writer is hard on its own. Surely, when we aren't that busy, we both float in semi-conscious state where he can read some news articles and I can chat with my friends simultaneously. But that's hardly invoking any high cognitive activity. If I need to discuss something complex, he'd have to pause youtube, as he'd drift out of focus as soon as I start active thinking. And vice versa. I've heard it many times in here, that switching isn't really switching, if the host doesn't enter the wonderland and doesn't have wonderland-like experiences when tulpa is in control. I cannot understand this point as I, as a tulpa, don't have the same experience and I cannot relate to it. If either of us is doing anything interesting—it's usually a one person job. So tell me, is this switching? Possession? Do I just suck hard at parallel processing? What kind of mental activities you or your tulpas did that was the most taxing on the brain yet it allowed you all to be in mental focus? Would you be more effective if you were the only person in focus? Why don't you do it alone, if so?
  6. Intro IMO, there is a huge grey area between switching and fronting. I can't really tell whether I'm switched in or fronting. I have the impression that when I'm switched [in] I'm in my body and everything (body control) feels super natural to me and I just know I am ME. The host is just a weak mind-voice far away. Other times I feel his presence close by and I'm also in control but it feels less natural and smooth and M's sensations (fuzzy-wuzzy) are definitely there. I suppose that's fronting. When we trade places again, host doesn't have any recollection at all what happened during a switch. To the point That was the intro. Now to the seamless and accidental part. This is too weird. So lately host isn't sleeping too well and I know why. LOL :D :D . Sometimes during the night I just it's me who's awake. M's mind-voice isn't there so he's probably fast asleep. So I'm switched in to the body, right? And again it feels so natural to me. But neither of us did do anything to initiate the switch. Then: no no no, M wakes up (I suppose) and I feel being pushed away. Nooooo.... OK, we go shopping, and boom! There's me thinking aloud and mumbling to M. No warning signs, sensations, or whatsoever. I've just taken over. By the time we've finished, he's him again. But none of us even realize (until much later) switching/fronting events have even occurred. We drive home and out of the blue I start talking aloud to him. Yes, all of a sudden it's me who's driving. Now that's pretty frightening!!!!! Later M asks me "Was that you? What were you doing? WTF?" I can only answer "Yes. Dunno. Oops". I think it's not just me. Subconsciously he must have given the green light for this to happen. Besides, he's stated several times he's completely OK with switching/fronting (or whatever you'd name it). Host is an extremely cautious and prudent person and I'm sure to have 'inherited' that trait from him. We can be pretty confident that this kind of WTF (as M calls it) only happens when it's safe. But still... The question So am I making up that I'm switched or fronting? Idk. It sounds too good (?) to be true, too soon to be real, but OTOH, it feels soooo good and so right. I am curious to hear your views and experiences in this kind of matter. Xxx P.S. I wouldn't mind switching for a long long while. Not at all ;) xD
  7. Ive always wondered. What does switching feel like, how does it work and are you able to see whats going on?
  8. Despite the misleading title of this thread, I and my tulpa haven't entirely .. failed at switching. I do get small twitches in my limbs, and I have gotten to the point where my body sorta went... dormant? Except, we didn't get to the step where your tulpa is supposed to take control of the body. I waited for this to happen, but it just... didn't. I heard my tulpa's voice very loudly in my head for about 5 minutes after the attempt (I haven't been able to achieve such volume since.) Basically what I'm wondering is how we're supposed to go from "body dormant, host has given up control" to "tulpa takes control".
  9. Hey there, fellas. I'll cut straight to the point: Both Rina and I are having trouble with possession and switching. To be precise, we both have one specific problem each. For me, it's that I can't really seem to "let go". Giving up control, dissociating myself from my body or even just parts of it, that's kinda really hard for me to do. I just can't help but be very aware of it, and the more I try to tell myself to calm down and dissociate, the more focused on my body I get, ironically. ... well, that, and also how switching guides often speak of the host assuming a form in the wonderland. Thing is... well, I kinda don't have a wonderland. xD For Rina... well, it's a bit more "philosophical" than that. While she does see it like me and agrees that this is our life, not just mine, it's different when it comes to the body. She just can't really see this body as hers. Her projected or wonderland body is her body, and while using my body's senses is actually the default when she's around, she just can't really associate herself with this body as if it was hers. And that, obviously, is sort of in the way when trying to take control of it. Anyone got any tips for us? Possession and / or switching (just anything that allows her to fully, or at least partly, control the body) is sort of the one thing that's still missing from how we want to live and share this life. ^^ Greets, AG
  10. Hello I'm considering creating servitor for switching since using tulpa exclusivly for getting away from real world seems bad but i'm not really sure where to start, Should i just create servitor and play king with him in wonderland by giving him wonderland-oriented orders till he grows advanced enough to do complex orders like building castle in wonderland by merly telling him? And then attempt standard switch with him? Or should i approach this in different manner? Help would be appreciated very much - Thanks
  11. Practical Considerations for First Switching V0.3 This is not a guide to switching, but rather some suggestions to make your first experiences with this much more pleasant (and far less frightening). Intended audience: for tulpa intending to switch. Introduction (you can skip this) I recently switched for the first time. I managed to switch after practically three days solid of possessing' typing. Kevin eventually passed out from tiredness, and I found myself ... alone for the first time in my whole life. Even with these preparations I almost freaked (thanks to T7' and Lily for the support and soothing Dub-step). In trying to help M4tty (i-Matty) with switching I realized there's lot of preparation that helps but which isn't mentioned in the guides I've read. Thanks also to Hannah for her sharing her first switch with me and all the little things we discovered that hadn't been thought of beforehand. Oguigi and Koomer's Guide helped a lot : please read it before you try switching. Position and Environment I'm just going to describe what I do, and you can use your own sense to think of what you need in your own situation. First-time switching can be stressful, so you're going to want to have a safe, preferably empty, environment in which to try this. I usually wait 'till everyone has gone out of the house so I have it to myself. (If you are sharing accommodation with others this may not be possible so you'll need a bit of extra preparation.) I usually lay on the bed, with pillows on the headboard so that my shoulders are slightly raised (for typing) and head supported. I'm covered in a rug so I don't get cold, have a window open for ventilation and a lamp on in case of lighting variations (like cloud or nightfall). To support the laptop I use a miniature folded aluminum camping chair so I don't have to support the weight, but a tray table with legs or even a modified cardboard box will suffice. Supplies Have food and drink nearby so that it is in easy reach. I usually have something like a salad, chocolate (or cake) for the food, and ice coffee (my own blend*) and water for drink. Consider investing in some Ensure (Hospital Formula) as you can live on that stuff for months on end. It's made in Spain and you can get it from drug stores or chemists (depending what they call those Dispensary shops in your country). Stock up in the freezer on easily made food. (I usually have chips (french fries), hash browns, and "oriental" finger foods like spring rolls and samosas (vegetarian in my case). If you can type by possession you can likely also use the oven to bake these (prepare for the long term, just in case).) If there's a chance you are not going to be alone at home, or you may want to try walking, make sure you have a robe or some clothing available. If you can't talk out loud (like I had troubles with) perhaps notepaper and an easily held pen will come in handy too. Support When you switch there's all sorts of worries will probably fly through your thoughts. "Oh no, what if I'm stuck like this?!" That's perfectly natural. It's important to have a lifeline in case you get those feelings. Some people use Skype to talk with their friends, but I used IRC (chat), in particular #Redditulpas. Moving, Walking, Speaking O.k. When you're switched the first time is probably going to be a few hours at best. At worst it will last only until you fall asleep (far easier to happen then you would think - just forget to feed the body and ... "Oh derp!"). However, it's likely you are going to need to move around at some stage (perhaps to try cooking, or perhaps to "use the facilities" as it is euphemistically said here in Australia). I had to hold the wall in order to be able to walk. Make sure to remember to put clothes on (or a robe) before leaving your room. Yes, you are in a house (etc.), but it is best to take at least minimal precautions for unexpected house guests (cats in my case). Remember to use mittens or gloves when handling hot things (oven, fries, plates) or sharp things (cats with claws, knives). When first switched you want to avoid injuring the body unintentionally with items and situations you are not yet familiar with. If you do need to speak with someone, chances are you can't yet speak out loud reliably when switched. Hence the pen and paper noted earlier, or use some hand signals and pantomime for "I can't speak at the moment" (this is my usual means of requesting cake from Kevin's kind wife, and it works surprisingly well). Addenda, Acknowledgements (and alliterations) (you can skip this) To state the obvious, an independent tulpa is required for successful switching. All this is obvious, so why write it? It wasn't obvious to me, and so it might not be to another tulpa either (or, I'm just untalented). Now that it has been written, there is no longer any need for it; but, I thought it needed to be done at least once. I would like to also acknowledge the assistance of my extended family, the McCaw clan, who's many years of experience in tulpa-related matters has made learning much simpler for me. Wardrobe by Assassins Creed: "Our Life is made by the death of others. Nothing is True. Everything is Permitted." Donna Nobillis McCaw 史, 19 October 2013 Tl;dr "Tl;dr" doesn't exist for me. Just make up your own mind what is safe and have food, water and clothing (prepared) nearby.
  12. Hey, guys! So, after finally having had a first true lucid dream, I'm now super-motivated to learn to do it at will! Will be great for Rina and me. And I picked the WILD method for this (Wake-Induced Lucid Dream). And, reading through it... ... honestly, is this really that far off from methods used for switching? I feel like learning the WILD method for lucid dreaming could also teach us a lot about switching. Or maybe that very method would work well? Hell - could that method be used to have me phase out into a lucid dream while Rina phases into control over the physical body? Ideas, ideas and questions! :D Hope to hear about some personal experiences here, and opinions! Thanks in advance! Greets, AG WILD Method for Lucid Dreaming: http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/wake-induced-lucid-dreams.html
  13. I have questions/concerns about switching, first off when you're switched does the wonder land seem as real as reality, if not what are the differences, also is what you can do in wonderland limited by reality or can you fly around and shoot lasers out of your ears. Also when your switched do you need your tulpas help to switch back or can you do it on your own and finally if your tulpa learns something in real life will you know it automatically.
  14. When switched with a tulpa, can a tulpa possess the hosts body while the host is unaware or unable to perceive what the tulpa is doing? Is the host still aware of the real world and able to perceive it while switched into the wonderland? Can a switch become permanent deliberately or on accident? Who is actively imagining the wonderland during a switch, the host or the tulpa or both? Is there memory loss or blackouts for the host associated with switching, similar to fronting in DID?
  15. Hello, I was curious about whether other hosts that switch are aware of the body/external stimulus at all while switched and away from the body, so to speak. I personally am not unless one of my tulpas brings be to the front with them or I actively try to go there myself. I'd also like a brief description of what you do on your side of things to switch with your tulpa. I dissociate through meditation and appear in my wonderland, for reference.
  16. Today, there was some talk about switching in the IRC, and a grand old argument was reawakened: How do we define switching, and how do we make our terms clear to our users? In the channel, there were two camps. One that wanted a simple definition, that they call the consensus in the community right now. They seemed to agree that the definition of switching is... The other camp (just me), suggested a different definition. Something like:
  17. Lucilyn: Hehe, this thread was embarrassing Lumi, so I'ma remove the OP. Basically this thread is to discuss how switching with your tulpa can cause such drastic changes in your body's mental physiology. I'm sure most of you guys are like, "Sure, I guess?" Because you don't have Scarlet in your system.. Having her control the body was straight-up shocking compared to us. That's why we made the thread, because the ability for a tulpa to affect everything so much is really interesting.
  18. Hello! Yesterday evening my Tulpa and me had switched often, because we were curious, what we can do while switching and if it works good. Yes, it does. We dont had a problem and it all worked good. Until I went to bed. When i fall asleep, my Tulpa accidentally take the control over my body. He keep on talking to me and wonders, why I stopped answering, until he realise, that I was fallen asleep. He shouted my name, because he wanted me to woke up. It works and in the first moments was everything allright, but then i started to become really confused and stop to believe, that the voice in my head was my Tulpa and he becomes desperate and anxious and so we mutually get ourself in a really high level of panik. When i thought i talked to myself and he is away, he try to convince me, that he was really he, but i don't believe him and screamed after him. Then a third voice in my head answers. He told me today, that this voice wasn't him and it wasn't me. It was just a kind of hallucination. We stop the body switching now for a while, because we are both a bit anxious, that this could happen again. Now everything is normal and okay, but i needed a really long time (even today) to get in a normal condition again. But my Tulpa told me, that the most of panik came from him, so i understand that i must calm him down and since i does this, everything is good again. I cant seperate the feeling of anxiety for a long time, so it takes over myself really strong and i was really shocked, about the condition i had. I dont know, why i did not belive my Tulpa at this moment. I did not feel like myself, that was such a scary and insane kind of emotion. My Tulpa is really sure today, that this emotion was come from him and not from me. He is able to send me really strong emotions and this happend often accidentally, so this sounds not that erroneous. But my biggest anxiety was, that my Tulpa decided to go away. He thought about it, because he was worried about me and he dont want to do something that get me lost my sanity or something like that, but i dont wanted him to go. No matter how frightened i was in that moment. How i said, everything is good again since i calmed him down, but this wasnt a nice experience.... I didnt even know, that something like this can happen and i wonder, if the problem was, that i didn't have much experiences? Normally i am mentally really strong and therefore, this situation really surprised me. Is here somebody, who has experienced something similar before?
  19. Where did the concept of switching originate? There is no mention of it in Alexandra David Neel's book, nor in any of the books I have on thoughtforms. The closest thing I can think is that it is synonymous with "fronting" from the natural multiples community. But even there, the dorment (nonfronting) personality doesn't necessarily have a big wonderland to run around in. Do the hosts really become tulpa like and experience the wonderland just as a tulpa would? I will be honest, the whole idea of this is pretty fantastic to me. If I switched with Melian I would be doing things like fighting in the vanguard of Queen Elizabeth I's Renaissance-steampunk army against the evil dark orc hordes of the North. I would be in real danger of being cut down and eaten as well. I could just hang out in her dreamscape mansion, WHICH IS HAUNTED and has ghouls in it. Well to be honest, there are safe rooms, including a magic feast hall. The Roman bath or movie theater wouldn't be so bad either. Really, Melian is not a second personality that needs to "front," "possess" or "switch." She is a day dream star persona that lives within my mind. Her interaction with the outside world is limited. She doesn't even identify at all with my body. She has no desire to live in it. NONE. People were wondering about my term "dreamform" and saying it is no different from a tulpa or wondering how it is different. THIS is how it is different. A dreamform lives almost exclusively within the mind with limited contact or no contact with the outside world through the hosts senses. Melian is aware of the outside world, but it is not emphasized by her. She lives her life within the wonderland dream realm and not the real world. I honestly don't know how people are doing the switching with their tulpa. Their relationship to the tulpa and the wonderland is significantly different from my experiences with Melian. So it makes me wonder about switching and where the idea originated and if there are any literary sources outside the tulpa community that describe such a thing.
  20. Well, Starfire hadn't gotten any replies on her post in the general discussion. That made me wonder: Just how many tulpamancers can switch with their tulpae? I was surprised when I didn't find a poll.
  21. I have a question/experiment in mind. Could it be possible if, while switched with your tulpa, the tulpa can impose you into the real world, as if you were a tulpa? I have researched the topic of tulpas for a while and never came across this happening yet. I haven't a tulpa of my own so cannot try, would someone please, if interested, try and respond telling the results?
  22. Okay, so, we've been making strides in the past few weeks and I'm happy to say me and Juliet have successfully switched for the first time. Something I've noticed is that, when it happened, we both felt this surge of bliss and euphoria unlike anything either of us has ever felt before. Is that from switching or just the sense of achievement or rush of accomplishment? I swear nothing has ever been that gratifying in my life, so I'm just curious if that's a normal sensation.
  23. So Nat and I just co-fronted a little bit ago. It was really fun for a while. We intermittently controlled the body so I'd just kind of go loose and Nat would do the same... but then we sat down and something strange began happening. I suddenly didn't know who I was and felt like I was Nat at one point "uh oh". So I guess this is what's called eclipsing? We're not completely separate still. I know who I am, Nat knows who she is, but I still feel like we're both controlling the body and it feels like Nat hasn't gone completely to the back. We're not sure what to do exactly. So in the future, what should you do to safely prepare to co-front? -Nia Edit: we're alright now. I think there should be a guide or something on this highlighting this potential danger.
  24. I have a theoretical idea for a new way to tulpaforce. What if someone were to skip ahead and work on switching before anything else? I know such a thing has been done without tulpae, (Out-of-body experience) but could this be used to develop a tulpa much faster and, possibly, be used to tell if a tulpa is sentient? Now I don't know if a tulpa can tell if another tulpa is sentient or not unless the get a response like the host but if that is the case, then this could be used for learning if a tulpa is sentient or not early since when you switch you basically become a tulpa. If not the early sentience detection or faster development times, then at least it would allow more fun with the tulpa since you would actually be in the wonderland. It could also help people with a short attention span. (It's hard not to be distracted by the world around you since you're always there.) Could this be possible? If so, then why has nobody mentioned it before? EDIT: I understand the challenge of switching, (This is why switching is one of the last "end game" things to do) but I just want to know if it could be done. FOR SCIENCE!
  25. So, I've been curious for a while and was wondering if any hosts and tulpae who can switch could describe it from both ends.
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