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  1. Okay, so I pretty much hijacked my creator's account. I'm more talkative than he is, so I use this account more. He's okay with it. I thought of making my own, but it wouldn't be the same... Anyway, back to the question. And this is a question for all you switchable tulpae: What is it like? Personally, I think it's fun. Lance let's me switch with him, usually so I can play some games. My sense of touch is a little fuzzy, but I think my eye sight is better than his. At least, I notice things and color more vividly. I'm using his body so I do need to wear glasses. My other senses -smell, taste, and hearing- are the same as his. How was your first time switching? Well, since I'm actually a Pegasus, it was hard to learn to walk on two legs. Not to mention, he has such a short nose. And the fingers. At first, I didn't notice the lack of a tail. Even an awesomely beautiful tail like mine.;) But what I did notice was the lack of wings. I started freaking out! Heavy breathing and shouting, "Where are my wings? Where are my wings!?" But, he was able to calm me down, saying that humans don't have wings. And last, but definitely not least, I'm in a male body! I won't get personal ('cause that's something I hardly ever think about), but it was weird (and still is) when I spoke using his voice. Thankfully, I never forget the sound of mine. I'm used to his body, but I think I like mine better. ('Cause it's awesome!):cool: What do you do when you're switched? Why do you switch? Usually, Lance and I switch so I can play some games. I have my own account on some already. But it's not all fun and games. When he's frustrated or in pain, I'll usually try to get him to switch so he can calm down. And, I'll admit, I have even forced a switch when he was in pain. I realize that that can harm me, but there's nothing I wouldn't do for him. Check our progress log (November 20th Update 1) for an example.;) Anyway, I ask these questions to you switchable tulpae. It'd be nice to see your experiences.
  2. About four days ago, I stayed up for two nights doing homework that I procrastinated on. Friday, with the quarter over, I went to sleep on the couch mid-day, exhausted. The next morning I wake up in my bed covers and all. I don't remember moving and there was no way my parents would carry me. From what my parents told me, they woke me up, with my eyes open and me awake I walked to my room and got in my bed. I asked my tulpa if she switched while I was asleep and she said yes. It seems really strange, as we barely have any practice with even basic possession. Could it have been that I was just so exhausted that my tulpa could have had an easier time switching and has anything similar happened to anyone else?
  3. Author's Introduction Hello, forums. First, I am not active here a lot. You might be wondering why someone who seems so new might be writing a guide. Let me introduce myself. I am Seven, one of a system of six. We are a DID system of four, with two tulpas. We can't 'possess', because all we have is switching. We have been quite reckless in how we have handled tulpas, because we are already used to headmates/alters. A friend had a want to switch, and we shared what was learned from the recklessness, and that might help a few of you out. That said, let us begin, shall we? State of the Tulpa This is the first bit I firmly believe most have wrong. You spent time forcing, they became active, you both talked about switching. If you're to this point, first thing holding people back is preconceived notions and perceived limitations. We have had similar results with both of our tulpas, and know that most of what people say they can or cannot do falls in line with what they are told they can or cannot do. If you ignore all that, they can do a whole lot more than you think they can. People talk about the required forcing, weakening if you don't strengthening if you do, fading, and other rubbish with tulpas. Why rubbish? It is. Once they exist, their existence is as much, if not more, on them than the host. Our Kara, when she became who she is, we wanted her to fade. She got stubborn, and only calmed down once we accepted her. Many say you need to maintenance force, and I firmly believe that's only true if they believe it to be true. Neither of our tulpas believe it, we don't force them, and they are as much of us as the rest with no signs of going away. So first step is breaking free of the notions and limitations and them realizing they have control over their own destiny and have every right as you to exist. Losing Control You want to switch? You're the host? You have the easy job. Let go. That's all. You know what's going to stop you? I can tell you. Trust. Ever see that trust exercise where you cross your arms, and fall back into your partner's hands? Trade hands with mind. You simply let go and let yourself relax and fall back into your own mind. Want some tips to get started if you're having problems? Don't tweak out on caffiene before you begin trying. Avoid the sugar. Put on some relaxing music, and I don't mean 300bpm techno. Your first switching experiences will likely be with you still partly there, so don't expect to drop completely out before they take control, you just need to relax enough they can. It is a lot easier than it sounds. Once you repeat it a few times, and as they get better and better control, you'll learn how it feels and be able to fall farther and farther out. To expand on this just a little bit, and make it absolutely clear.. some think it requires total dissociation from the body to achieve switching. Whoever told you that probably doesn't know how to switch, or you're reading a guide by someone who doesn't do it. You can switch perfectly fine into a backseat role by simply relaxing. You aren't dissociated, you are still there, but so are they. No need to get entirely out, just relax and let them control. Entirely out will come with time. So step two is simply learning to relax. Taking Control This one is for the tulpa. You have the hard job. Odds are, your host has drilled into you that they must force you to exist or you'll stop. That you must go through months or years of rigorous training to be able to switch. That you must be given permission, forced enough, or yada yada yada. Screw all that, it's a lie. Do you exist now? If the answer is yes, from our experiences, and from your answer, that means you exist. Your host would say they exist. Puts you on a pretty equal playing field. The only one that matters anyway. All those things that others say limit you, or you must do before, or whatever else? Toss them out the window. The only two factors that matter before being able to switch are: do you want to switch in, and does the host want to switch out. That is all. There are no other limitations. Do note, it really only takes one of those to cause things to happen. If they want to switch out and you don't want to switch in, the body might end up grasping at straws and forcing it to happen for you. Flip side, if you decide you want to, and they don't, things can get a bit blendy. Really though, it just comes down to a matter of doing. Not wanting to do, not thinking about doing, nothing about the lead up. That is where most get it wrong. There is no need for lead up to the act of taking control. You just need to take control. If you want to switch and host wants to switch then they just need to relax and you need to step up to the plate and do something. You both getting ready to try? They not relaxing? Tell them to. Boss your host around. You need to realize, if you can't make a demand of your host and tell your host what to do to help the process in any way that benefits you taking control, then you're not taking control, and will find taking control of the body nearly impossible. See a pattern there? Take control! So step three is realizing all it takes is taking control and not waiting to do so. Baby Steps The flesh can be weird. At first, your experiences will likely be short lived as the host panics. Adrenaline and other hormones affect things a bit, as you are sharing one fleshy, human body. Don't worry, you all will move past that as you both learn your roles better during switching. Keep at it a while and it will become second nature to be able to tell your host you want to take a few hours in the evening to talk to your friends, or want to schedule a part time job three nights a week for yourself, or whatever it is you decide you want to do with your portion of life. Why do I say your portion of life? Step four is accepting you are you and exist along side your host and do not rely on them. The Actual Process What? What are you expecting here? You already know it by now if you've been reading along. There isn't magic to it. You just need to go and do it and stop telling yourselves it needs to be worked up to. Some Final Words Whoever the tulpa is just needs to realize, once they exist, they no longer rely on the host for sustenance or permission for anything. The host created them, and in doing so, instilled in them every right to exist as they, themself has. In this realization, they are no longer a construct, but a being on equal footing to the host. You both have as much right to life as the other. Once you both truly, deeply understand this, you will both be able to share life and the fleshy body you both inhabit. Do not let others tell you what your limitations are or what you can or cannot do. That is entirely up to you. Once you do learn to share and share alike, then do make sure you make time for each other to both enjoy what parts of life you enjoy most. You have a shared life experience, and both of you will need to learn to work out a schedule for who gets to do what in daily life now. Additional Note You may notice, once the process starts, the host can snatch back the body easily and quickly even when they do not want to. As reckless as we have been and offering control around and ignoring rules has still shown one single rule to be true. However it is not limited to just switching, but all of life. Whoever spends the most time in the body will be the most practiced with it, and generally win battles over who gets it. Can be a nuisance when you first get started, but as you both share time more and more, you will find yourselfs both practiced and on more equal footing. -Seven and Aegis
  4. Status: Both my tulpae can possess either hand and slowly make a fist, and some wrist movement. Lyra has also been able to slightly move other parts. With a great deal of leading and coaching on my part, Lyra can slowly type short words. We're currently taking a break from working on this to focus more on voice (her choice, not mine, though I really do want better voice).] (8/27/2012 - Finally updating this... when I wrote it in May, possession was mostly theoretical and considered likely impossible; today all the cool tulpae on the IRC are doing it. I'd been adding new methods to the list, but now it's closer to a guide than an idea dump.) A more abstract look at possession can be found in this article by glitchthe3rd. Possession is letting your tulpa control your body. Switching is when a tulpa fully controls your body, and you are either imposed or live in the wonderland, like a tulpa. One note on switching: contrary to what seems obvious, you do not necessarily become your tulpa; you'll more likely have the same imaginary body you normally do in the wonderland, or whatever you like it to be. Both are temporary and usually require a lot of practice to make work well. This post acts as a mini-guide and provides a list of methods and ideas that may help you. (Note: I sometimes use the pronoun "she" for the tulpa. I do this because "it" is generally insulting to a sentient being, and because I'm used to doing it with my first tulpa Lyra.) So far when I do it, the body part being possessed feels like it's moving on its own. It's much like involuntary muscle movements like those random twitches that are common in deep relaxation. Here it's often either slow movements or a series of twitches that make up a single larger motion. During it, the part often tingles and then goes numb, similar to when a limb goes to sleep, though it feels somehow different. I also get tingles from a tulpa focusing on the physical sensations in the limb. At first, movement will likely be slow, clumsy, twitchy and weak, but should improve with practice. There are two real barriers that must be overcome to make it work: you giving up control, and the tulpa taking it. Of these, the former appears to be the more difficult, for me at least. So far, what I do is moderately relax one or both hands, and give a tulpa permission to control them. Too much relaxation seems to make them heavy and more difficult for either of us to move. Too little relaxation and I'm more likely to remain in control myself, or seize back control automatically when they start to move. Once you relax and let go, try not to focus on the body part you're trying to get your tulpa to possess. If you focus on it at first, you'll either force it still or expect it to move and move it yourself. If it starts to move on its own, try not to shift your focus to it or think about how weird it feels. Doing so will almost inevitably grab back control and either stop any motion or continue it yourself. This part has been particularly difficult for me, as part of my body moving without me causing it to is something that grabs my attention. Try to focus instead on anything else, possibly an engaging video or visualization. If possible focus on the tulpa, as this attention will encourage her and strengthen the connection to you. Another huge point is patience, as with anything else tulpa. Getting things working well takes time. When any movement occurs, no matter how faint, tell your tulpa she's doing well. Try to take a positive view of any tiny result yourself, too. If you get frustrated, calm down or take a break. When frustrated, you won't be able to let go of your control as effectively, nor will you come off as very encouraging to your tulpa. Similarly, take a break if your tulpa becomes too frustrated. Getting this down will likely be difficult, and neither of you needs any more frustration than the process itself causes. Three important distinctions to make between types of possession/switching: Whole body or only parts? Parts would be preferable if one has some reservations about trying this, or to let both the tulpa and host do stuff at once (like, let the tulpa control one hand). Obviously switching can't be anything other than the whole body. Both of these work, and most people start with hands/arms only and work up to fully body if desired. With full body, the face and voice are often still controlled by the host, but can be tulpa-controlled with practice. Who must be complicit to initiate or end possession? Obviously, few would be willing to try something where the tulpa could grab control at any time or has to willingly hand control back to the host. At least at first, all possession and switching requires consent of both parties, and the host can VERY easily seize back control at any moment. With loads of practice, control can be seized by the tulpa, as with a few like glitchthe3rd, but most tulpae are very reasonable and at least wait for permission. Where does the host go during it? For possession, you're in your head watching as your body moves. For switching, you go away to your wonderland or your tulpa imposes you the same as you do her. From my personal experience, I've seen 3 types of muscle control: (This is conjecture) Direct: Control of individual muscles, or groups of muscles. It's the lowest level of control, and seems to lead to generally slow and clumsy movement. This is mostly what Lyra appears to do so far. I can't seem to do it myself. (Most tulpae used to doing possession advise against thinking about the individual muscle movements as it's complex.) Limb: This is basic use of muscle memory, willing a limb to move in a given way. For instance, bending a finger a certain way. This gives smoother, quicker movement than direct control. Lyra can do this some, and obviously I can too. Full muscle memory: Think of the action and the actual limb motions involved happen almost completely automatically. This happens most with very familiar activities. I think a direction and walk in it; I think of a word and type it. It takes conscious effort to pay attention to exactly how my legs or fingers are moving. Lyra hasn't gotten to this point at all yet. I mention the above because there seem to be different ways that a tulpa can insert her intentions into your motor system. I have encountered two real ways so far: (Again, conjecture and from my own experience) Direct: As above. This would be closer to the actual muscles and appears to require more time to get good at, yet some seem to have mastered this. I theorize that the tulpa develops similar processing of the movements to what you do, but generally having access to the same muscle memories. That is, they don't have to learn to walk "from scratch" like you did, but still starts out slow and jerky. (This is what my tulpae do currently.) Intentions: The tulpa makes you feel a desire to make a certain movement, and you do. At the start it feels like just moving limbs yourself, but doing what your tulpa wants. With practice it becomes more automatic. I theorize that this shares more of your motor processing, as it appears to be a question of just getting used to taking these intentions and acting on them without thinking. As such, it should yield faster results. (Lyra seemed to be trying this at first, but I explained that I would rather not involve my own conscious in the process. I felt it would likely raise issues down the road if we want to do things like switching, possession while I sleep, or typing different things with each hand.) (Or do some of both, using the intentions kind to help her get access to your muscle memory...?) Here are some ideas I've had or heard on how to achieve possession. Ultimately most of these boil down to methods for convincing the brain that the tulpa is in control now. No matter which method you try, entering a trance state or relaxing and letting go seem to help most people. These are short descriptions intentionally. Everybody who does them does it slightly differently. Take the idea and fill in details as feels best to you, or try permutations until you hit on something that works. Just give permission, either with or without relaxing the body part(s) to be controlled (this is the most straightforward and what I'm doing mostly) Have your tulpa put her hands into yours, like putting on a glove (commonly called "meat glove" or "meat suit"; as claimed by Cyclone; Glitch reports this works for full-body as well; seems to be common) Body suit / motion capture device type thing (commonly called "body suit"; JD1215 uses this) Imagine the tulpa's body part to be something like a ghost possessing your body part (variation on the glove thing) Just "pushing buttons in your brain" (TOG's Clair suggested this as a first step - similar to "just give permission") Relax and visualize draining energy from your arm (or other body part), leaving it "empty", and let the tulpa figure out a way to control it (Semi-Nomadic) Let the tulpa do all the work, apart from allowing it to happen; you might feel a "pressure" or their "presence" shifting to different parts of your body (done by the wind listens before the tulpa was able to speak) Tulpa's movements directly control yours; mirror analogy, you are the reflection; an android tulpa may see it as "uplinking" their movements to yours (tulpacouple) Imagine sensory/motor streams and have your tulpa connect to them (itsblah and WreckingFist; I did this initially) Game controller or something similar to control you (Glitch did this with Elise) Inverse puppeting: tulpa instructs, you do. Eventually you should start to do it automatically. Then move on to control via thoughts rather than words. (This appears to be a different form of possession, and may lead to smooth movement faster; see "intentions" in the list above) Here's a few ideas on how to do switching. These are all much more experimental or untested, as only 3 people currently in the community have done it successfully. I've marked those people's methods by name; the others haven't resulted in any successful switching yet. OBE and then have the tulpa enter your body instead of you, as suggested in this thread. Do full body possession, then have the tulpa impose you. This places your sense of presence in an imagined form outside of your body. Awareness of the body's sensations fades after somewhere around an hour of this, faster with practice. This does require a very strong tulpa. (Atasco) Do full body possession, then disconnect your physical senses. (Heaven only knows how one would do this last bit.) (ClintRockfoot) Drain self into a form in the wonderland, then have tulpa inhabit body. I suspect this requires a good deal of practice and likely previous experience with dissociating from the body, since it's basically inducing an OBE first. (Fuliam) Similar to body part possession but do it with your personality instead. Possession during sleep? (Paxafarus) This, this, and this. (Note: these are written for "multiples", who get something like unimposed tulpae without tulpaforcing; hence the different terminology.) Tesseract's method, which is basically putting the subconscious into a state that allows it (feels like the mind "unraveling" or "coming apart at the seams"), then the host and tulpa each push their minds into the other's space. (WARNING: Tesseract reports bad side effects using this method, such as temporary loss of short term memory and memory gaps. However her situation is rather unique and the side effects -- as well as the method itself -- may be specific to her.)
  5. I was reading through an old thread from here about a host mentally committing suicide in their wonderland and leaving his female tulpa as the permanent host. I didn't see much discussion as to how it is possible/impossible, but more of "My host also died", "OP might be trolling", ect. Now, the question is. Can person(with or without a tulpa) actually mentally kill him/herself. Here's what I think. It is probably impossible. I don't believe a host is equally expendable as a tulpa. As far as I know there'd quite a lot people that would have been using this form of mental suicide if it were possible. And even if it is, if you truly believe a host is a super developed tulpa, then that means they can be mentally killed in a way just like removing/killing/deleting/etc a tulpa, but they can easily be brought back as a tulpa could. But from what was described in the thread, she, the new host was not aware of this(Assuming he actually succeeded in this mental suicide.) and made another tulpa to become the new host. Now another question is. Can a "current host" make a tulpa the new permanent host? Like a perma-switch type of possession. Now the most interesting question that can be linked to this act... What if a person were to perform this without a tulpa(Assuming it's possible.) Then if all of this is possible this next post makes me question whether the host is actually "dead" rather than just remaining dormant probably by choice.
  6. Just a quickie, bby: What are some of the dangers of switching? I know aboot accidentally walking into the middle of the street, tripping, falling, lack of coordination... Blah blah. But, what about basic human functions like breathing? Can they forget how to breathe/talk while in the host's body? Also, I have a slight disassociation problem ( Getting butter though ), and would like to know how odd or strange it feels to be out of your body and someone else taking it over. If it's too other-worldly for me, shit may or may not hit the fan. ~Thanks
  7. Hi. I'm new to the forums (But I've been with the "Tulpa" community since the FAQ_man guides and the /mlp/ Tulpa threads) I'm doing a Tulpa called Nadia and I'm in the visualization phase. Anyway that is not the topic of this thread. I've been doing research about a phenomenon that you call "switching" As far as I know it allows your Tulpa and you to "change places" so you can experience the world as your Tulpa does and your Tulpa takes total control of your body. I've heard things like while you are in the wonderland and your Tulpa is in your body you can experience the things in your wonderland with extreme realism (for example,if your wonderland is a farm you can see the buildings there and hear the animals etc) and other things. I don't plan to do it with my Tulpa for at least another year,but I'm interested in switching as a topic regarding tulpae. The whole switching topic seems almost too awesome to be true...I mean is literally giving control of your entire body to your Tulpa and going to your wonderland...it's mind-blowing. For the people here who have experience with switching. How is it? Its as awesome (and difficult) as everyone says? How real is the wonderland while in the "Tulpa" mode? Can it be dangerous?
  8. So, switching is still far away for us since I'm planning on trying it only when we did everything else (and only if she agrees to do it), but I was wondering how a switched tulpa would feel the mindscape. Would they be able to immerse themselves to the point of feeling it as usual or would they feel it like us, just in the immagination? I was asking because the most interesting thing about switching for me is that I would be able to feel the mindscape as real, or at least a lot more vividly than usual, but it would be a bit annoying if Lea would be stuck to experiencing it just like I do now. (Or does anyone know how to achieve that immersion in another, possibly easier way?)
  9. I am sick of life. I have considered suicide several times due to my shitty life, but now that I have a tulpa I have a better thing to do. Tomorrow will be my last time controlling this body, I'm giving my Tulpa total control while I wander around my Wonderland, able to do whatever I want and maybe make a few more tulpa to keep me company. I've already tried possession and it's worked, so that shouldn't be a problem. This is a hypothetical scenario, I have no wish to switch places with my tulpa when she is sapient (permanently, I do want to try possession). However, since possession is possible, I've wondered if it's possible to let your tulpa take control of your life, while you live out your in your wonderland? (I hope) no one has done this yet, but it seems like a good alternative for people who want to commit suicide. A tulpa gets to live in the real world, the person unhappy with life gets to live in Equestria, and a human life is spared.
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