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(05-15-2013, 01:56 AM)Slushie Wrote: I understand there are some legitimate complaints about the moderation and there are some potential changes that could be made as mentioned above, however I really don't think that literally babying people is the way to go.

>babying is not the way to go
>slap on a wrist as if the user doesn't understand speech and reasoning instead of talking the problem out like adults do
>making the IRC chat a place where you can't disagree at all as it could make someone cry

Excuse me?
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#62
I absolutely think the source can only be fully applied to a classroom for children, because of the point I mentioned above. While the community could be called a learning environment similar to a classroom, a college classroom would be a better analogy than an elementary school. When you attend college the assumption is that you are there because you want to learn. The assumption is also that you understand and agree to follow the rules of the college. If you don't want to learn, or can't follow the rules, you shouldn't be there.

Again, I don't really care how many kids hate school because the teachers are mean, because it's irrelevant in this setting. In college, if you think your teachers are "mean" because of the way they enforce the rules, you make a complaint to administration. If that goes nowhere, you leave the school, because it's not a good fit for you. Simple as that. No skin off the college's back, because to them you were causing problems for the school and the rest of the students anyway. In college, as in this community, there is absolutely zero obligation to accommodate repeat rule-breakers as there is in earlier schooling. Their quitting is good for the community in many cases.

Now, if their behavior can be modified by something as simple as sitting them down and explaining things to them, I'm all for giving that approach a shot after multiple warnings and kicks and such haven't gotten the message across. But if they don't respond positively to that approach, I'm not going to keep them around and try my darndest to reform them. They're gone.
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#63
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I don't think I can explain this to you anymore. I actually just don't get why you can't see a connection, unless you're trying not to see it. It has also occurred to me that maybe I'm just too incompetent at what I'm trying to do, so I might have to ask for help:

http://help4teachers.com/punishment.htm

Can a user give this a once over (it's really not that long). Does it really not make sense, or can you make the connection? Maybe I'm actually just seeing a connection that isn't there.
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#64
I don't know how I can make it any clearer why I don't think there's a connection. The basic idea of the article is "punishment is bad because it makes kids not want to be in school, and a teacher's job is to teach all kids, so we need to make it an environment all kids want to be in."

Tulpa.info is not a school for children. Being here is entirely voluntary. It is not our job to accommodate everyone who comes here. The only people welcome here are those who have an interest in tulpas and are willing to be respectful of other members and follow the rules. If someone doesn't seem to fit those criteria, we can try to explain that to them in the hopes that they change their behavior accordingly, but ultimately it is not our job or our obligation to bend over backwards for those particular users. The only reason I would see to go far out of our way to help a user fix their improper behavior is if they otherwise contribute significantly to the community.

That is the key difference between the context of that article and the context of this community.
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#65
I already know why you don't think it's connected, you don't have to reiterate anymore. What I'm saying is that their connection is just so obvious to me that I can't put it into words correctly without using education terminology you probably don't know and that would just make you more lost. It's like describing the color blue to a blind person. Trust me, I've tried and it feels very similar.

The fault is with me, I can't get you to understand how the two ideas are connected.
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(05-15-2013, 08:56 PM)Phi Wrote: I already know why you don't think it's connected, you don't have to reiterate anymore. What I'm saying is that their connection is just so obvious to me that I can't put it into words correctly without using education terminology you probably don't know and that would just make you more lost. It's like describing the color blue to a blind person. Trust me, I've tried and it feels very similar.

The fault is with me, I can't get you to understand how the two ideas are connected.

you shouldn't need to, take most of that blame on the mods for lacking enough empathy and humility to even want to understand you.
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(05-15-2013, 08:56 PM)Phi Wrote: I can't put it into words correctly without using education terminology you probably don't know and that would just make you more lost.
Well, you could try. It'd be better than leaving it at a misunderstanding.

Aarix, do you have anything constructive to contribute?
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(05-15-2013, 11:31 PM)Slushie Wrote: Aarix, do you have anything constructive to contribute?

No just to acknowledge what constructive stuff has already been said. My tulpa loves to yell and shout cheerful message so I'll proxy them in all caps remorselessly, its fine to do! Though not very relevant in this case. I think its been blown out of proportion a bit though.
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#69
Sure, you guys are just doing your job, but 'just doing your job' is not the easiest way to do it.

You're right about one thing, it's not your job to make the place more desirable. Your job is to keep the 'disruptive' person out.

Now think what happens in the long term.

If you just did your job, and the person was simply kicked out, it's very likely that he'll be pissed and come back to cause more trouble for you guys later. That temp guy is making fuzz here 1 page ago. And guess who have to clear up all this? The mods.

Now, if you instead decided to be more lenient, giving them more chance to be warned and explain before kicking. He wouldn't be back and your job would've been simpler. Or if he had been back, he won't have a good reason to make a fuzz because you already gave two or three warning with explanation. From what I've seen in that log, he was kicked without any reason stated and that was just his second time pulling a CAPS.

I'm not telling you guys what to do, i'm just telling you guys what you get. You want a simple job or a long, frustrating one that involve arguments like this?
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