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Dissipation - The End of a Tulpa or the End of the Novelty Behind Them?
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(05-31-2016, 11:00 AM)Lucilyn Wrote: You're actually about 50 away from 2,000 posts

You mean 1,800 during the timing of this post? Guess math isn't your forte, either.



Lucilyn Wrote:I'll do as you said and stay far away from a topic I feel no need to discuss, but I do want to note something about us - you said dissipation entails basically removing the ability to recreate the tulpa, so to speak, in one of your first few paragraphs at least (I certainly didn't read all that).

Destroying, losing novelty of, or shifting into repression should be taken figuratively. I even stated to Glitterbutt that I should've reframed it to something that gives the impression that I don't really think they're destroying their cognitive capabilities. But that gets lost in translation when I'm trying to theorize on something, so I still have a ways to go.

Quote:For us it was only removing what made Scarlet "tulpa-y". Whatever they did, it was like Scarlet was just memories and thoughts but what made her a person, and what also made her autonomous and independent and stuff, was gone. Because, of course, Lumi still had other tulpas at the time and they kept their tulpa-ness.

I don't know if that contributes to the discussion or something but hopefully.

How long have you been tulpaing?
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Now for another impression on dissipation. It will extend on what I’ve previously stated, but hey, the thread is to discuss about dissipation, and all that it may entail, and be conceived by others.

The main concept I’ll be theorizing on is how the aftermath of dissipation leads to some consequence of an inner crisis (e.g. like the repression thing I was mentioning). And although I acknowledge there’s a possibility that not everyone would be led into that kind of consequence, I’m becoming more apprehensive and doubtful that one can just flick their conscience on and off like a light switch.

This is simply due to the episodes of dissipation, in whatever context, often results in some kind of emotional turbulence, and varying degrees of consequences. These consequences can be beneficial (e.g. the host going through an autobiographical context of their attempts before to build stronger ties, or become a more sensible person that understands the pain of repression that could be caused through dissipation to cling onto continuity), or not (e.g. living in that constant state of repression, or loop of repression, and not reflecting to where they can get out of that loop). And I think there’s something deeper in the terminology that gets added that’s also invisible to the naked eye.

And that is there being an existential element behind dissipation – a sense of it involving something at stake (e.g. a tulpa not being able to reconcile with their capacity of presumed sentience, and what have you). And the reason why I feel there’s an existential dimension behind it is that if there isn’t a sense of what is at stake, then questions of what dissipation means is not something easy to grasp at. In other words, it would be grasping for straws without that existential dimension added into that.

And to say there isn’t an existential dimension/factor into it at all with dissipation, it would probably be a contradiction in itself simply because dissipation, based on how it’s stigmatized, entails something being at stake (e.g. the capacity and continuity of a tulpa’s presumed sentience). We can’t just subscribe to fatalism, pack our bags, and call it a day. It almost seems that no matter what protocol one takes to appease their concern with dissipation, emotional turbulence is imminent at some point.

On one end, to discredit there being nothing at stake in regards of a literal death, and for it to be a trend towards living in a constant state of repression over novelty of the endeavor, and all one did to make progress with their tulpa leads to questioning if it invalidates the whole process of creation. And while I did make some justifications with Glitterbutt on that, I think it can also be anticlimactic to cling onto that novelty of dissipation even having an existential factor added in regards of there being something at stake. Think about if for a moment, to treat them as sentient for so long, and now suddenly, they’re dead?

This, to me, is applying the state of impermanence in life in the wrong context. And this is why this misapplication of context creates this emotional turbulence. It’s easy for us to agree, in the physiological sense, that if a person dies, they’re dead; that’s it. It doesn’t matter if we live in a constant state of repression, or whatever emotional state we’re in. The death happened irrespective of our feelings. But, correlating that with tulpas – to assume that same logic with impermanence; that they’re dead, and will be staying dead is to presume that taking great efforts in treating them as sentient, even to where people theorize there’s some neurological integration due to creating one, can suddenly just drop just like that with no major consequences?

It kind of invalidates any pursuit in any theories of mind if dissipation was really impermanence equivalent to physiological death. Or, it could support theories of mind where things can be reducible to that. But whatever standpoint the person takes, they have to face the soft and hard problems of consciousness.

Another point to bring up, and to being a closing statement for this post at least:

- Understanding these extremes, dissipation being metaphorical/literal in the sense of being equivalent to physiological death, and how they can both cause anticlimactic dead-ends on what to do can help us judge those who may have dissipated a tulpa differently.

- Instead of having a knee-jerk response of – TULPA MURDERER; YOU’RE A DISGRACE TO THIS FORUM, GET OUT! WE DON’T WANT YOUR KIND AROUND HERE! – we would take great pains to understand why dissipation was considered even if all other options to prevent it were exhausted.

- To the person who dissipated a tulpa, they may say: “Linkzelda, you’re telling me that dissipation can be invalidated just like that? You say this, and I dissipated them, and you’re beating around the bush with dissipation…what more do you want from me? But Linkzelda, don’t you think I wanted to do whatever I could to bring them home to me? I broke that continuity, and I just don’t know how to reach it again, and I have to live with that…”

- And this is where the conscience kicks in and says, “Maybe not for long…”


Unconditional Positive Regard

This might twist some head…but I’m willing to theorize that a person who may have dissipated a tulpa, and wanted to reconcile with them in some way, and yet still has emotional conflict in doing so may have a greater propensity to cultivate an unconditional positive regard for themselves, and the tulpa-in-question. What I mean by unconditional positive regard is just that; unconditional love, acceptance, affection, etc. Where the host can say, “I understand I’m in a bad situation now with this, -insert tulpa’s name here-, but I can work this out.”

And reason why I think there’s a potential to acknowledge what it means to have unconditional positive regard, or even having a silver lining to deal with the struggle of sustaining continuity in their existence is that they have the experience of what it means to stomach a metaphorical mirroring with killing a part of yourself; it hits them hard, and it may get them into living in a persistent state of repression, and after trying to crawl out to arrive at a ray of hope, they may become a stronger person, and understand what it means to strive to acknowledge oneself, and those they share their inner experiences with.

Even if the sustaining of continuity is difficult, they learn to keep moving forward in doing it anyway, and applying that mirroring when it comes to treating them as sentient. Because to neglect that is to neglect themselves in some way; there may be an existential factor added onto that as well.

Dissipation can allow one to get into an autobiographical context with their experiences and memories to look deep within themselves, and to question if they really care about themselves, and others they’re willing to share those inner experiences with. But, this could be dependent on the conscience coming back in, figuratively speaking.
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