EVO-Focus, Memory, Energy, Tulpa?
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So I was browsing through the internet today, and I found this.

http://www.tryevo.com/

Its some kind of new super pill that apparently does the following
  • Increase Concentration by 312%
  • Improve Creative thinking
  • Boost Energy
  • Enhance memory recall
  • Increase IQ scores by 77%

I was going to call bullshit on this, but what really grabbed my attention was that this is apparently clinically proven, and they actually CITED the information.

Now I'm no rocket scientist, and I have no idea what 312% increase even means other than "Wow much concentration, many focus" but its pretty well established that any increase in focus is good for forcing, and being smarter and more creative is also very good. Needless to say, this could seriously help ADD/ADHD tulpamancers such as myself.

Has anyone tried this before? If not, would anyone be interested in trying this and perhaps taking part in an experiment to study exactly what its effects are on Tulpa?

Discussion and debate is welcome.
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#2
I've tried Neuro Sonic in the past, which seems to be a similar idea in drink form. It did have a minor but positive effect, but I don't use it these days because it's pretty pricy for a carbonated beverage.
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#3
I would absolutely abhor and be incredibly wary of any drug company claiming that they can make you more creative or boost your IQ. What does that mean to be creative? How can you attach a percentage to concentration like they did?
Also note they conducted this study with a placebo controlled method which causes all sorts of skewed results. The graph they showed is a terrible portrayal of their findings and I'll venture to say they cherry picked people that showed the most improvement to do another study and boost these numbers even further.

To anyone reading, please understand that there will never be a day when hard work, dedication, and practiced talent will ever be beat by popping miracle pills. If you're having difficulty concentrating then motivate yourself however you need to in order to fix it. You'll be better off overcoming your own hardships instead of swallowing a pill that you think will make problems go away. ADD / ADHD are excuses for lack of motivation, a diagnosis or self-identified problem to hide behind. Indeed anything barring complete quadriplegic paralysis or quadruple amputee is simply an excuse, even then with the rate prosthetics are improving it'll come to the point where no one will have any excuse for not pursuing what they want.

I don't think it would help anyone with their tulpa as I think they would eventually be reliant on it. If you need a pill to be more creative or "intelligent" (whatever that means) in order to create a tulpa then I would say that they've perverted the tulpa concept or they're making a tulpa for the wrong reasons.

It's about self discovery and achieving everything you're capable of. You don't need a pill to do that.
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#4
I hate pills, so there is no way that I'd ever think to try this myself. If others want to, go for it, just be weary. Clinically proven or not, how much can we really trust this 'miracle pill' which seemingly came out of nowhere and wants to improve our concentration by 312% and make you smarter. What is their definition of 'smarter', 'more creative', and how many energy boosters are really good for you? Take red bull for example, not the healthiest at all. Of course, people still use it and who am I to judge.

Raxter has said it better than I ever could. If you're needing this pill badly enough for you to force, there is an issue that needs to be dealt with and this pill sure isn't the solution. Motivate yourself, practice, and keeping at it will all help you and your tupper more than some random pill ever will. This is supposed to be a journey between you and your tulpa, a creation of a lifelong friend that comes from pure, hard, effort. Maybe that's just my opinion, but why would anyone want to accelerate such an amusing and emotional journey such as this one with a pill. What kind of true bond is gained from that?

I must also add that there are likely some sort of side effects here, it's highly improbable that such a pill would come without them. Of course, I've not been bothered to read much of that website, and maybe I should, but I must emphasize the point of this response. Those who try this, be weary.
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(04-12-2014, 06:26 PM)Raxter Wrote: I would absolutely abhor and be incredibly wary of any drug company claiming that they can make you more creative or boost your IQ. What does that mean to be creative? How can you attach a percentage to concentration like they did?

You see that was one of the red flags I saw. It seems difficult to me to turn concentration ability into a number, the only thing I can see would be them doing a test to see how long someone can concentration on one thing , then taking the test again of the pill has been used, but that doesn't seem like the most accurate thing in the world. IQ I can maybe see, since all that would be required for that would be a few tests.

(04-12-2014, 06:26 PM)Raxter Wrote: [size=small]Also note they conducted this study with a placebo controlled method which causes all sorts of skewed results. The graph they showed is a terrible portrayal of their findings and I'll venture to say they cherry picked people that showed the most improvement to do another study and boost these numbers even further.


Well see, I would think it would be more sketchy if they didn't have the placebo, because it lets you know that its at least not 100% bullshit. The drug had a measurable effect on what they were testing for that was higher than that of the the placebo. Granted what they were testing in that graph was pretty ambiguous at best and there may have been some cherry picking involved. However, note that any increase in productivity is a net positive, unless it doesn't justify the cost.


(04-12-2014, 06:26 PM)Raxter Wrote: [size=small]To anyone reading, please understand that there will never be a day when hard work, dedication, and practiced talent will ever be beat by popping miracle pills. If you're having difficulty concentrating then motivate yourself however you need to in order to fix it. You'll be better off overcoming your own hardships instead of swallowing a pill that you think will make problems go away. ADD / ADHD are excuses for lack of motivation, a diagnosis or self-identified problem to hide behind. Indeed anything barring complete quadriplegic paralysis or quadruple amputee is simply an excuse, even then with the rate prosthetics are improving it'll come to the point where no one will have any excuse for not pursuing what they want.

If you're like me, you don't think miracle pills exist. When I saw this I was thinking more along the lines that it would make me more productive. I don't see that as bastardizing what Tulpa's are, I see it as a augment. You can't do things on augments alone, and I agree that one should never become reliant on a drug, because that just leads to problems. That being said, if this is true, I believe it should be utilized, this doesn't get rid of hard work, being smart doesn't mean you need to stop thinking, and being able to concentrate doesn't mean you don't need to put any effort into concentrating, you just have the tools available to you, and they're meaningless if you don't utilize them. Saying that taking advantage of something that may make concentrating easier is wrong is like saying that using a saw to cut a piece of wood is wrong. Both make the workload more manageable, but both also "unnecessary" in a way. Also, just so you know, I was formally diagnosed by a certified psychiatrist, not self diagnosed.

(04-12-2014, 06:26 PM)Raxter Wrote: [size=small]I don't think it would help anyone with their tulpa as I think they would eventually be reliant on it. If you need a pill to be more creative or "intelligent" (whatever that means) in order to create a tulpa then I would say that they've perverted the tulpa concept or they're making a tulpa for the wrong reasons.

The addiction potential is something I thought about, and is honestly the only thing I'm concerned about other than the price. "Needing" , and taking advantage are two different things. Need implies one can do something without something else. Taking advantage means that you use something for your own benefit. A drug that increases productivity only augments what is already there.



(04-12-2014, 06:26 PM)Raxter Wrote: [size=small]It's about self discovery and achieving everything you're capable of. You don't need a pill to do that.

To you and I maybe, but some people aren't about that mind you. Some people just want a companion and aren't all that interested in self discovery. If you do not see it that, and view it as blasphemy, that's fine, and its fine to even view yourself as more accomplished because you didn't use it.

Its like saying that shotguns are no use for sharpshooting therefore they shouldn't be used, even when not everybody is sharpshooting and is just looking to clays.


(04-12-2014, 07:39 PM)Gryphon Flight Wrote: I hate pills, so there is no way that I'd ever think to try this myself. If others want to, go for it, just be weary. Clinically proven or not, how much can we really trust this 'miracle pill' which seemingly came out of nowhere and wants to improve our concentration by 312% and make you smarter. What is their definition of 'smarter', 'more creative', and how many energy boosters are really good for you? Take red bull for example, not the healthiest at all. Of course, people still use it and who am I to judge.

Define "out of nowhere" because some of these trials go back to before the year 2000. And by intelligent, I assume its IQ, which can be measured. However creativity is far more subjective and its hard to make a statement, perhaps the testers found that they found themselves more creative than usual.

(04-12-2014, 07:39 PM)Gryphon Flight Wrote: Raxter has said it better than I ever could. If you're needing this pill badly enough for you to force, there is an issue that needs to be dealt with and this pill sure isn't the solution. Motivate yourself, practice, and keeping at it will all help you and your tupper more than some random pill ever will. This is supposed to be a journey between you and your tulpa, a creation of a lifelong friend that comes from pure, hard, effort. Maybe that's just my opinion, but why would anyone want to accelerate such an amusing and emotional journey such as this one with a pill. What kind of true bond is gained from that?

Answered already with my response to Raxter


(04-12-2014, 07:39 PM)Gryphon Flight Wrote: I must also add that there are likely some sort of side effects here, it's highly improbable that such a pill would come without them. Of course, I've not been bothered to read much of that website, and maybe I should, but I must emphasize the point of this response. Those who try this, be weary.

The studies claim that no significant side effects have been found. However, its always good to be wary with these things. "Significant" is kind of ambiguous, Marijuana has been said to have no significant side effects, but they don't count the mind breaking paranoia some claim to have.
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#6
Their website cites one study and dammed if I can find it. But I'd bet a lot of money that it's bullshit, because here is a 'graph' of the 'results' of the 'study':
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Oh yeah, really nice quantitive analysis there, INDEPENDENT LABORATORY. What the fuck is 'efficiency' and how the hell does Evo take it from 5 to 100%?

Actually, I'd love to see that one six-page paper in Health & Nutrition to see if those graphs do it justice, but I guarantee you it will not "clinically prove" Evo. Their pushing "citations" seems to have won you over, UCT, but I can practically guarantee you that Evo is bullshit.


EDIT: I forgot to mention the other studies on the citations page. I looked at a few and assumed the rest followed suit: shoot me. They're mostly legitimate but do little to add to the credibility of Evo. Okay, one tells us about the neuroprotective effects of L-cartinine - presumably an ingredient of Evo - another tells us about the effects of some antioxidants in preventing Alzheimer's. I hope you see where this is going. Those studies demonstrate some beneficial effects of some ingredients of Evo that don't add 20 points to your IQ score, and crucially did not involve any formulation of Evo in any way.



Oh and last thing: if you ever think that your average IQ score of 100 is going to go up to 177 by taking these things then think twice about that. I don't know if that's how they (pretend to) quantify increase in scores but it's what would seem to make sense - it's bullshit anyway so it won't really matter.
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#7
That's some funny stuff, sounds like it could reanimated the dead, or at least pull some one out of a brain dead coma.
But like Chupi stated such a thing wouldn't do much, the sample group was a bunch of people living under a rock who was amazed by a talking picture so they are sure to give a high feed back when that can now preform the simplest of tasks.
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#8
Okay so I saw this pill being advertised all over Facebook, which is notorious for Bullshit adds. However, I am really tempted to try this one. I am very skeptical because on the credit card page there is no paypal option. This worries me, and I have been looking around for people who actually paid for the product, and have reviewed it. I was diagnosed with ADHD and I have been prescribed many different types of medications, due to complications. However, every pill I have been prescribed has caused me addiction. I would at some points over dose, I was a really tweeky mess. So anything to do with ADHD and concentration problems, is not necessarily a huge issue. However, I may at some point just unwittingly become distracted, and no matter how hard I attempt to focus I can just lose control at any minute. I have been in car wrecks, I forget some important school assignments, and sometimes I just forget I even have friends. I will go days without even talking to the girls I'm interested in.. My best chances of hooking up are at parties, for cheap one time encounters, because I am very forgetful. Aside from all those sorts of flaws, I am very smart and productive. I am in college with 3.7 GPA and full ride scholarships... I have a decent job making 15k a year after taxes, and I'm only 19. However, I feel my adhd keeps me from furthering my career, and it keeps me from being able to do everything I want to do. Naturally pills that Doctors will prescribe work, but only for a temporary period, until I become addicted and they prescribe new ones... I have tried holistic medications, but mostly noticed they were placebo effects... and I can't talk myself out of having ADHD. Because it just happens, I fuck up... and not just a little bit... I have huge monstrous fuck ups because I can't sit still, I am impulsive, and I have reckless habits. All unintentionally however... I have only a 3.7 GPA because on several occasions I just completely did not even attempt assignments... like huge assignments. Or one time at work I just dumped lanolin outside because I am so literal... I just listened to the manger tell me to dump it outside... and so I did that exactly. They almost got sued, and I almost got fired.... that's ADHD for you. Everything is fine, until I lack common sense. I am not good on medication that is too strong. I believe this pill could be legitimate but not enough people have tried it, and talk about it. Plus, I already have a genius IQ... but if I took this pill and could concentrate I'd be invincible!!!! SO i'm going to buy it and tell you if they just steal from me, because I have a checking account and Ill only put in the money that it costs for these pills. If I can remember things less erratically, and I can notice things that are happening around me, before I fuck up... Then I will rate this pill an enormous success. Because... compared to the pills I'd pay 100 dollars a month for... 54 dollars a month is nothing! It would be worth it if everything it says is true. I know why most people would be skeptical, because I'm not sure what this company based their research on. It to me appeared to be a series of case studies, and individual accounts. Rather than a series of different testing labs, it was done in a private lab. However, I can imagine there are pills out there to boost IQ scores... Honestly, My head is fucked up all the time, but I scored in the 99th percentile on every category of the IQ test I took... except for... working memory. I cannot sit still, or focus to remember much. I have been working on this trait, but only my long term memory has benefited much. I usually have to repeat things over and over, but that is another distraction, and in order to remember one thing. I probably will forget 12 different others. So ill try this pill and tell you about it, because it may save my life ;P. Not to mention a 77% increase in IQ scores does not mean going from 100 to 177.. It means you scored 77% more effectively. The majority of IQ tests are so hard that people get maybe only 5 questions right out of 30.... So.... If you can get just 3 more right... that's what EVO is saying it does.. I fully believe that due to this nature it is plausible. However, how many people with 145 point IQ, like me, take evo??? I bet... If I did, I would score the maximum score of 150.... and they would want to retest me, which then would go over more advanced concepts such as physics. Those are areas I would do very well on, unfortunately, I was held back by my ADHD, lack of focus, and inefficient working memory.
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#9
All that is missing from that graph is the ??? and Profit! written somewhere on it.

Someone also mentioned that you cannot quantify creativity. It is far too subjective to put numbers to it like that. Were these trials even independent? Is this more like that whole horrifying bullshit where Monsanto was faking their toxicity tests by making up data and stuff?
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How have the pils worked for you?
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