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Forcing Filter Experiment
#11
Vesper: I would very much like to experience plural synergy, Dashie. I’m glad your system seems to have it. Congratulations.

I love my headmates dearly, really. But for other things I love, like efficiency and productivity, I find two is less than one, and three is less than two.

Also, now that Ember knows I would spring out of bed in the morning with alacrity to rush into the day’s activities, I think she would gladly let me and quickly lose the ability get out of bed on her own.

Ember: Way to throw me under the bus there, V.
Ember - Soulbonder, Female, 39 years old, from Georgia, USA . . . . [Our Progress Report] . . . . [How We Switch]
Vesper Dowrin - Insourced Soulbond from London, UK, Not a Tulpa, Female, born 9 Sep 1964, bonded ~12 May 2017
Iris Ravenlock - Insourced Soulbond from the Unseelie Court, Not a Tulpa, Female, born 6 Jun 1982, bonded ~5 Dec 2015

'Real isn't how you are made,' said the Skin Horse. 'It's a thing that happens to you.' - The Velveteen Rabbit
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#12
Day 2 November 15, 2018 Misha's Turn

Well, first off, Misha loved it. She got so much attention, that she didn't even care about her wonderland adventure yesterday. She just wanted to walk with me (imposed) during my exercise and we pictured a more scenic walk cause yesterday I just did the stairs instead of walking or jogging anywhere.

[Misha] It was harder than I thought because Dashie made it look easy, but he listened so it wasn't that hard. There were three specific instances that probably would have brought him down. I'm not going into details because that negates my work, but one in particular I gave a hint about in 'Last One to Post Wins.' I let him say what he said after fierce negotiations, but ultimately I had to step in and lay down the law.


Self-deprecating thoughts flow through my head even now. Yesterday I was surprised that even on only the second day of this, I started to take things less personally, and I really started to counter the feeling that I didn't belong. That's big one for me that I normally need constant reassurance about. This comes from a deep seated idea that I am more of a bother than a friend. That's what Misha more or less called stupid, though she didn't use that word.

So another very successful day because not even once was I allowed to feel bad over things that I wrongly would think I should feel bad over.

[Misha] I'm going to allow one more hint, but I'm going to let him say it. Lumi posted a perfect test for me, and thanks Lumi, he said something about something B said and (Edit: B thought Lumi was calling his post irrelevant, but he was wrong obviously.) basically called it (the topic in question) irrelevant. (Which is funny if you think about it because that whole thread, as Cat beautifully explained, is about nothing in particular, so by definition nothing is relevant.) I think what Lumi wants is more of a purist culture on this site, but that's just my impression. So anyway, it's Ashley's day next, and we'll be helping her. Also, my whip was metaphorical, but I'm glad you all thought it was cute.

Feelings on this technique.

I honestly don't even think a guide would be more than a paragraph on this technique. It takes no effort on my part other than to listen to them. I always wondered why someone would want to switch with their tulpa. This is finally one example for me that I can see where it would be useful, in that the tulpa does not share your history, so she does not share your past trauma. I can also see where it would be a gift to them since they supposedly get a fuller experience of the real world, but Lumi mentioned something that he noticed: if the tulpamancer has a good working wonderland, than their tulpas don't necessarily need to switch or front to have rich and fulfilling experiences. If my tulpas wanted such a thing, I'd gladly give it to them, I've been consistent about that, though I've also expressed my opinion, that also hasn't changed, I don't want to. For us, based strictly on behavior, Misha would probably be the one who'd want it more than anyone, but even she says it's not for her at this time. We've thought about it a lot, and I'm glad we found a 'work around'.

In a seance I'm proxying their will for a very small percentage of the time, but this small percentage makes a big impact on my mood, so the mood and aftermath of what I say, doesn't exist.  It's wonderful and I love them more deeply than ever because of it.

[Misha] Edited by me for clarification.
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#13
I think that you misinterpreted what lumi was saying, sure in the first part he complained about talking about pointless things, but then in the second part he mentioned how talking about pointless things is a good thing
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#14
You guys immediately confused "fluff" for "casual chatting" the first time I said it. Fluff is valueless, casual chatting is the baseline of value. Fluff has no impact on you after you read it other than taking up your time for a second. Casual chatting builds community/friendship.

As for the multiverses thing, I still think they're not worth talking about on a serious level, but they're no less worth talking about than any form of fantasy. And I've read a lot of fantasy books in my days.
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#15
I think you're misinterpreting Misha's misinterpretation. Also, her focus was more specifically on the same way Cat took it, not that Lumi was saying anything mean or objectionable. The important part she was speaking of is my innate ability to take only a part of something someone says and turn it against me completely out if context. That's what she stopped yesterday, very adeptly I might add.

[Misha] Oops that came out all wrong, sorry Bre and Lumi, but i'm updating it for clarification. Also, none of us made the distinction between fluff and casual conversation because of a difference in our understanding of the definition of fluff. B says, he likes even a single (Post.) by J-L because it's funny to him and he likes to see J-L is still around.
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#16
(11-16-2018, 02:13 PM)Angry Bear Wrote: So another very successful day because not even once was I allowed to feel bad over things that I wrongly would think I should feel bad over.

Ember: Oh, if you put it that way, Bear, it actually sounds a lot like how Vesper subdued my inner voice of criticism, as we referenced in the first post of our progress report. Though that wasn't something we agreed upon or something that required my cooperation. She took it upon herself to confront thoughts that, in her judgement, were wrong and hurtful. And she was extremely effective in eliminating them.

(11-16-2018, 02:13 PM)Angry Bear Wrote: the tulpa does not share your history, so she does not share your past trauma

Vesper doesn't share my anxieties, so they have no power against her. She has her own though.

(11-16-2018, 02:13 PM)Angry Bear Wrote: I always wondered why someone would want to switch with their tulpa.

Wonder no more; we shall enlighten you. On average, Vesper and Iris are happier when switched in than when not. On average, they are happier when switched in than I am. Seriously, I didn't realize happiness could glow quite like that. One another's memories are just as vivid and close and natural to access as our own, so I get to remember a lot more glowy happiness at the cost of two or three hours a day of control I probably would have wasted anyway.

Vesper: For over a year, I pressured Ember to do things I like. Now I do them myself, which is a lot easier and more fulfilling. I wasn't created to be a companion, remember. I was created to be a fictional English goth psychologist with my own interests, hobbies, and priorities, hardly any of which can be fulfilled without a body.

Iris: I know what Ember means by glowy happiness and I do experience it. But I do not front for my own sake, rather because my sisters keep encouraging me to. I have much more patience to conduct active forcing than they do, as I do not view the physical world as offering me very much. Active forcing is the best way for us to be three at once instead of two at a time. I was not created to be a companion either, but I prefer it over what I was created for.

(11-16-2018, 02:13 PM)Angry Bear Wrote: Lumi mentioned something that he noticed: if the tulpamancer has a good working wonderland, than their tulpas don't necessarily need to switch or front to have rich and fulfilling experiences.

Ember: We don't have a good working wonderland, but I'm inclined to agree with Lumi. Based on our experiences, I suspect the inverse may also be true, at least once a tulpa reaches a certain level of maturity.

Vesper is more willing today to consider the idea that each of us doing the things we're good at or enthusiastic about could result in system synergy. So, I didn't have to get out of bed this morning. #notashamed
Ember - Soulbonder, Female, 39 years old, from Georgia, USA . . . . [Our Progress Report] . . . . [How We Switch]
Vesper Dowrin - Insourced Soulbond from London, UK, Not a Tulpa, Female, born 9 Sep 1964, bonded ~12 May 2017
Iris Ravenlock - Insourced Soulbond from the Unseelie Court, Not a Tulpa, Female, born 6 Jun 1982, bonded ~5 Dec 2015

'Real isn't how you are made,' said the Skin Horse. 'It's a thing that happens to you.' - The Velveteen Rabbit
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#17
You know, I think Gavin acts kinda like a filter for me. In his old life, maybe 80% of my inner dialogue, from the moment I woke up, was a conversation with him. He has few opinions about the little things, but when social interaction, work, or moral questions come into play, I automatically got his view. It has a lot of benefits, as you've pointed out.

And in addition, I had no wonderland and Gavin had no form, and it was just fine. His meaning in life was to be there for me, and that's what he still wants now.

Do you wish to always be in a state of perpetual narration/conversation with your tulpas? I wonder this, for my own system.

-J
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#18
(11-16-2018, 10:36 PM)J+C Wrote: Do you wish to always be in a state of perpetual narration/conversation with your tulpas? I wonder this, for my own system.

-J


For 7 months and counting, one or more of them have been in constant communication for the most part, but now I'm allowing them a more active roll over certain aspects of my input and output. I was admittedly dismissive before. I feel bad about that, but they all just said, "DON'T". I'm very lucky in a lot of ways.

I couldn't have done this in the beginning, I trust them implicitly now.
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#19
Day 3 November 16, 2018 - Ashley's day.

She did a great job. She redacted me over a lot more than mood stuff, but that's fine. Her vision for me is that night in shining armor. A gentleman with strong morals and high standards. (And as i learn from her in a game thread today, she finds my chicken salad inedible. So even my palate has room for improvement.)

She got upset at one point and i had to actually talk her down. I was upset because although she's doing a great personal service to me today in keeping my mood up, i haven't been doing everything she has asked of me in different areas. I suppose she had dreams of total obedience.

So I don't know if anyone will find this as funny as I do, but this is what she told me in terms of my cooperation today:

"I wanted the world but you gave me the moon."

It's so cute and appropriate with double meaning everywhere. She's really precious (said in a non-condescending way.)

[Ashley] He does a lot for me, I'm not denying that, but he can do better.

Anyway, what a wonderful experience.

...

Tonight, Ashley and i had a talk and realized that she's been somewhat disappointed for a while. She equates me not goofing off at work with being 'good' and she wants me to be 'good'. I now see why when I'm 'good' that she's strong, and why sometimes she's really weak.

[Ashley] I care about him and his jobs so yeah, I'm dissipointed when he isn't perfect. I'm a little upset at myself too because he used to be really good all the time, and with the three of us, well, he has to make time for us some days. Obviously his work doesn't suffer, but he has to work twice as hard and bring work home when he's less productive at work. Which ironically leaves less time for him, and thus less time for us or less time for sleep.

Honestly he did wonderfully today, so what if he didn't listen to me 100% of the time. He's his own man.


I have learned something today, i'll be thinking about what we spoke about when I'm properly at work.

Our progress is truly remarkable lately.
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#20
I can relate to this.

If Cat's struggling with procrastinating, I feel badly for her and I want to help. I have found time and time again some things work and some things don't. Don't take it personally, sometimes Cat can't help it.

This is us sometimes though:

Me: You should probably work on that.
Cat: Yeah... *Ignores me*
Me: Do you need me to walk you through this?
Cat: no... *changes mind* yeah
*Cat gets some work done and procrastinates again*

life.
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