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RE: listening - to summon and help with parroting
Stop thinking is something we have never achieved. After some more research, it seems meditation is thinking about only one thing. And that we do all the time.

But there is more to it. Meditation requires entering some sort of trance state. I am no expert on trances, but we do frequently work through altered states of consciousness. We just never associated any of those with meditation until recently.

About the stray thoughts. Well, is associating them with your tulpa a bad thing? I mean, if you don't that seems fine and logical, but, I have seen others suggest as much as that is how you get tulpas in the first place. You seem to be suggesting that relaxing and ignoring expectations is something that will worsen puppeting. My experience is the opposite. We either get no voice, or possible false voice at times of high anxiety.

I suppose there may be an issue here. My host has never dealt with a tulpa who doesn't feel like talking. Also maybe this is more useful with dealing with confusion due to blending. We have blending issues a lot. This always helps. Every time. (Though only for disappearing voice; when we notice too much blending, we have better techniques.)

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10-26-2016, 06:24 AM
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RE: listening - to summon and help with parroting
(10-26-2016, 06:24 AM)tulpa001 Wrote: About the stray thoughts. Well, is associating them with your tulpa a bad thing? I mean, if you don't that seems fine and logical, but, I have seen others suggest as much as that is how you get tulpas in the first place. You seem to be suggesting that relaxing and ignoring expectations is something that will worsen puppeting. My experience is the opposite. We either get no voice, or possible false voice at times of high anxiety.

I'm suggesting that that's true in some cases, and untrue in others. The long and short of it is that some people may need to do more of something and some may need to do less; you were one of the people who needed to do more, so you're advising everyone to do more.

For stray thoughts, it's up for debate. Again, maybe some people could do with doing it a bit more. Others could sure do with doing it less. Plenty of people identify any stray thought as "new tulpa" and end up with like 20; I think it's a bad habit, and if you learn it while making a tulpa you need to unlearn it afterwards because it gets a lot easier to identify things as tulpas after you already made one.
10-26-2016, 09:55 AM
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RE: listening - to summon and help with parroting
I think some clarification is needed in step 2 and 3: I am supposed to stop talking and thinking, and the stop stop talking and thinking? Resume talking and thinking? What did this achieve?

There a good tip in here, as some people do need to shut up and listen - I know that personally. But I think your steps need a bit more clarification and rewriting, as it seems like I'm not the only one confused in this thread.

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10-28-2016, 11:26 AM
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I see, yes. I can clarify steps two and three. There is a lot of room for misinterpretation there.

Step two is supposed to be simple. It is about just turning off your mind voice. An extension of step one. But extended to any random thoughts that pop up.

Step three is far more important. Trying to stop talking and thinking is an activity that requires attention. That has to stop. All activity that requires attention needs to stop so you can relax properly and wait properly. If you consider step three an activity, this is opposite the purpose of step three.

No, step three needs to be interpreted literally. "stop trying".

Will consider some possible rewrites.

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10-28-2016, 08:18 PM
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Okay, so I added a details section instead of clarifying the steps in place. I figure the steps themselves are what you should memorise, so this is a better organisation.

Please comment again on my submission.

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11-07-2016, 09:22 PM
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Huh look at that, it almost feels my absence of disbelief mindset is spreading. Good to see someone else spread the word about not outright rejecting and accepting, just observing for later deductions when you have enough information.

I can't see anything that sticks out badly, so I'll accept this for guides. The title confuses me a little though: to summon what?

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11-13-2016, 12:27 PM
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[Tri] We think what is here right now is good. There are only two things we think need to be fixed, though one of them may not need fixing and just an explanation. And these aren't show stoppers. So, we approve for guides. Overall, this is a useful thing to do in addition to everything else. Just listening sometimes and seeing what happens without expecting anything in particular.

First item is a small thing. Gendered pronouns. Not all tulpas are female (and similarly, not all are male either). Singular they or she/he or he/she are perfectly fine. Small nitpick.

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(11-13-2016, 12:27 PM)Sands Wrote: The title confuses me a little though: to summon what?

We're similarly confused and wondering if the guide needs a retitle.

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11-13-2016, 04:16 PM
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Approved for Guides.
11-13-2016, 05:13 PM
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(11-13-2016, 04:16 PM)FallFamily Wrote: First item is a small thing. Gendered pronouns. Not all tulpas are female (and similarly, not all are male either).

Wow, I didn't even notice that. But actually, here, Tulpa said her because he was referring to his host. Still, always best to avoid gendered pronouns in this stuff, I usually catch that.

Looking at it, definitely change or explain the summoning thing. When I first read it I took it to mean summoning your tulpa to the mindspace as you might in a lucid dream. But, it really shouldn't be that up to interpretation, and since it's a guide it could potentially confuse someone.

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11-13-2016, 05:21 PM
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RE: listening - to summon and help with parroting
Summon another mindform who has fallen asleep or something.

Nah, I used her because of the unpopularity of the use of them for subjects of unknown gender, and I did not want to break the brains of my audience. But I'm not using normative him.

Approved for guides? This was supposed to be a trick or tip.

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