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I tried this, but I feel as if I could only get a quick grasp of my wonderland like normal. I don't think I have achieved lucid mode; it may be because I haven't practiced it long enough. How long did it take you to reach such a state for the first time in terms of practice and actual time in a session, and how long did it last for you?
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The first time took about 25 minutes to reach lucid mode, and i stayed like that for a solid 45, the first time.

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I've tried this a couple of times now, so far unsuccessful, but I'll keep trying.
I have 2 questions though:
Is this somehow related to wild(wake induced lucid dream)?
Can I enter the lucid state whilst lying down in my bed, in sleeping position? (Yeah, I know it's a silly question, but it bothers me for some reason)

Thanks for your responses.

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(03-11-2013, 03:16 PM)Jack Wrote: I've tried this a couple of times now, so far unsuccessful

You can't really be unsuccessful at this exercise. The only thing you need to do is get sufficiently relaxed and force as usual. The only difference is that on the border of sleep and wakefulness, concentrating and visualization is much easier. I'm really serious you can't be unsuccessful at this.

(03-11-2013, 03:16 PM)Jack Wrote: Is this somehow related to wild(wake induced lucid dream)?

Similar in process [but that's because all meditation is usually similar].This is WILD w/o WBTB + waiting for REM Atonia + slipping into a dream. You're not really gonna be slipping into a lucid dream [maybe nrem if you're incredible at dream forming], but just getting really relaxed and tulpaforcing.

(03-11-2013, 03:16 PM)Jack Wrote: Can I enter the lucid state whilst lying down in my bed, in sleeping position? (Yeah, I know it's a silly question, but it bothers me for some reason)

Not a silly question at all. Yes you can get into whatever position makes you most comfortable. The reason lying down is discouraged, however, is cause it's harder to stay awake while lying down.

If you have trouble getting relaxed you can use the reverse blinking + muscle twitch method. Reverse blinking is just keeping your eyes closed and opening them about every 5 secs, focusing on one thing, and then closing them again. Do this until your eyes feel heavy, and you feel like you could fall asleep at any time. Then start twitching your muscles in your legs [or wherever, just don't move them.] with every inhale. This tricks your mind into thinking that you're already asleep as twitching is something we do when we dream. Once you feel like you're sufficiently relaxed [Intuition] just start tulpaforcing/Doing w/e. You might start getting nonsensical thoughts popping into your head, don't worry about it just focus on concentrating and not falling asleep. GL!
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(03-11-2013, 05:48 PM)Lanpc Wrote: You can't really be unsuccessful at this exercise. The only thing you need to do is get sufficiently relaxed and force as usual. The only difference is that on the border of sleep and wakefulness, concentrating and visualization is much easier. I'm really serious you can't be unsuccessful at this.

I fell asleep. Bricked out. Started dreaming about pretty birdies and hellfire. Thus, I was unsuccessful.

Thanks for your response, though, it really helped me out. I'm definitely going to try blinking + muscle twitch method today.
Cheers.

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(03-11-2013, 06:23 PM)Jack Wrote: I fell asleep. Bricked out. Started dreaming about pretty birdies and hellfire. Thus, I was unsuccessful.

Whoops forgot about that. It's funny cause the only time I ever fail the exact same thing happens. I wake up an hour later, look around and just say, "Fuck".
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Yea, any position can be used with lucid mode, i dunno a lot about all that fancy shmancy talk up there, but all i can say, is that during this practice you should have an enhanced perception of your wonderland, and the 5 senses while there, the first few times it can be hard to stay awake, it does take some practice.

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I'm confused about how to do this. Most of the guide was just reiterating the tulpamaking process found in other guides, with a smattering of mentions of Lucid Mode. The only instructions seemed to be this:
Quote:ENTERING LUCID MODE: Once your mind is cleared you should begin to feel drowsy, now this is the hardest part of the entire process, staying awake. You need to keep your mind focused on your task, if your thoughts wander away from the task at hand, you will brick out (fall asleep). Learning the correct balance of how awake/asleep you are is crucial to getting into Lucid Mode, you need to be aware of your surroundings, and what you are doing, if you lose that, try to snap out of it, and take a break, and before starting again. Once you get into Lucid Mode you can begin to work on your Tulpa/Wonderland.
And I don't see how this is any different than self-hypnosis, hypnogogia, or this guide's Perfect Visualization. Is there any difference? Are there more details on how to do this?
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Sorry, but I can't see how this is that different from the perfect visualization guide either. I mean, even the author of the other guide realizes they're similar but somehow different, but I'm too ignorant to know what exactly is different. I guess this one mentions the voice more, but maybe the other guide could help with it too?

I think you would also need more about the, you know, actual thing this guide is about. It's a very small paragraph and the rest if just tuppermaking stuff, which is everywhere. I think the other guide is just better and easier for a person like me to understand and I'm not sure if this one would compliment it in any way, so I'm going to have to disapprove.

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TL;DR at the bottom (seeing how most of the critique I’m doing below is for grammar, spelling, and such)
Seeing how there are a few guide links that also have to be reviewed by GAT (surprised the hours count is still on the homepage), maybe those might have to be taken out by staff. When I used to read this guide, I literally thought it was someone informing people on how to do something in relation to lucid dreaming.

But it’s mostly just informing about going into the alpha state, or the state of mind presumed to be between wakefulness and sleep (which is why the guide made a disclaimer that one may fall asleep during this practice). You could achieve this state with binaural beats/isochronic tones, and pretty much any music that may help relax and achieve similar results; just saying that to show how this is a fairly generic concept, but that doesn’t make the submission bad or anything.

Here’s a few parts that might have to change/be worked on a bit better. I literally just copy pasted this to a Word document and found a few errors here and there. I’m not really one to do minor grammar and spelling nazi bypasses, but here goes:

Octaviapus Wrote:if done right.The first few times it can be hard to stay awake, you could burn out, and fall asleep completely.

There should be a space between “right.The first few…”

Octaviapus Wrote:imposition practice in Lucid Mode you need to have a functioning Wonderland, and a well built form

Well-built, though this change wouldn’t really affect the guide in general (it’s just a minor grammar mistake).

Octaviapus Wrote:IMPOSING IRL (in our world): To impose IRL it is suggested that you have successfully imposed in wonderland at least once.

This section reminds me of a few guide submissions that could be used as a supplement to this:

http://community.tulpa.info/thread-impos...oto%C2%B4s (this one needs approval at the time of this post though)

http://community.tulpa.info/thread-impos...mage-heavy

As for your prerequisite, sounds like common logic, but I guess it's a useful reminder for newcomers every now and then that forget about that.

Octaviapus Wrote:If you hear a thought, or voice that you think, MIGHT be your Tulpa, but aren’t sure if its just your own thoughts, IT IS DEFINATLY YOUR TULPA!

Firstly, “It’s,” not “its” on the third break of commas in that sentence.

Secondly, this kind of seems like an impasse/deadlock logic. If you just stated a thought/voice/etc. may/might be one’s tulpa, it would make sense. But then you stated that if you aren’t sure either way, just go ahead and think it’s your tulpa. I’m all for people getting into the mannerisms of finding any way to increase their receptiveness towards the goal of a vocal tulpa, but assuming every single thought is your tulpa could be counterproductive.

This is excluding the fact that the host would combine some element of symbolism that reinforces in their minds of their tulpa as a whole before being suggestive to a whole mélange of voices/thoughts/etc. that may come about.

And...“DEFINITELY” I’m not sure if you were being passive-aggressive typing that, or maybe you were making this guide on the go. But either way, that’s just some of the minor aspects I wanted to address.




TL;DR/Quick-recap:
  • This post right here addressed a pretty valid statement to one of your sections
  • There’s a few grammar and spelling mistakes, but I addressed those in the quotes
  • One could easily define the “lucid” mode as going into the alpha state that’s presumed to have one in a transient state between wakefulness and sleep. You could get in tuned with that “mode” through other methods as well, and I felt you kind of gave an introduction without a follow up. Most of the content in the guide is a mélange/combination of common methods and tips, so maybe other GAT members could pitch in to see if the similarities would affect voting this for approval/disapproval.
  • That last part about saying the thoughts/voices may be your tulpa, but having assurance that it most definitely is your tulpa if they aren’t sure sounds counterproductive


Disapproved for the time being, though I could see this guide submission having massive potential if OP ever had any new revelations during the months of inactivity. EDIT: Seems with connection issues, some parts of my critique were cut off, but hopefully that's fixed now.


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