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Forcing Personalities: Good or Bad?
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Forcing Personalities: Good or Bad?

So in some threads I see everyone saying they gave their tulpas all these personality traits, but in other threads people are saying to let the tulpas decide for themselves what traits to have. Which do you suppose is better in the long run? Should personalities be used as 'suggestions' for the tulpa to get a kick start and later have the potential to deviate from? What are the pros and cons of both?

If you forced personalities, did they stick with them or did they deviate?

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07-03-2014, 07:46 PM
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RE: Forcing Personalities: Good or Bad?

For the most part, Fench is exactly as I made her. I think the only unusual deviation is that she developed a sense of compassion that I hadn't deliberately given her. It's not an unwelcome deviation though.

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07-03-2014, 08:27 PM
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RE: Forcing Personalities: Good or Bad?

I suggested some personality traits to Sarah. She took on many of them but is still different than I imagined in some ways. I always made it clear that certain traits are important to me (and explained why), but that she always has freedom to be who she wants to be (as long as she remains compassionate, honest, and helpful, traits I would expect most tulpas to have)

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07-03-2014, 10:13 PM
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RE: Forcing Personalities: Good or Bad?

In the long run it makes little difference in most situations.

The way I generally see it is this---early forcing most seems to depend on getting the brain to acknowledge the Tulpa as an individual being. For one individual, acknowledging the new tulpa as a "new" person, or someone to "get to know" can be sufficient. The person views the incomplete being as a person they just don't know about yet, and the being gets the chance to develop on their own(or through unconscious cues and beliefs unknown to the host), while to another person this is insufficient. This other individual may be unable to view the Tulpa as anything but an incomplete thought, a being with no personality. This person might need to picture the tulpa as an individual with a full, well understood personality before they can fully view them as a separate entity.

That being said, I think whichever goes fastest depends on the person. And just like you are not who you were when you were twelve, a tulpa's personality is not necessarily set in stone either. The biggest thing is though, even with ""no deviations"" a real personality is very different than a description of one. Jaden being exactly as described was still very different than expected, just by nature of life and experiences being different than anyone could ever really predict.

In the long run can be many years. The first months end up meaning very little in the face of real life experiences over the months/years together.


07-03-2014, 10:25 PM
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RE: Forcing Personalities: Good or Bad?

I started making Fox-Nights with forcing personalities. I feel like it's good to start with them, because it offers a base for people to understand.
I figured making tulpas was a lot like testing a computer. You build up this basic thought and test it with thousands of answers until it can answer for itself.

So making a personality to force gives you a clear starting point. Having you test around with a tulpa and trying to have it make itself is a good way to do things, but I think the personality makes it a little easier to follow along. F-N deviated quite a bit from what I made, and it's rather nice. It takes time, but you'll see that they'll eventually develop a sense of self and create themselves again, even if you didn't ask them to.

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07-03-2014, 10:31 PM
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RE: Forcing Personalities: Good or Bad?

I don't think one is better than the other in the long run. If you are, for example, an impulsive person, it wouldn't hurt to suggest that your tupper thinks things out maybe at little more than you do. Or if you frighten easily, give them brave traits. The key is to allow them to develop and evolve. You are essentially a parent giving them guidance as they learn and grow. No one ended up the way that their parents intended, but their guiding hands helped shaped who they became.
07-04-2014, 08:33 PM
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