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RE: Fede's Ultimate Superior Tulpa Guide

Due to a reduction in the number of GAT members, this thread has the number of votes required to be approved. Congrats. (also I do not have permissions to delete the poll)

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RE: Fede's Ultimate Superior Tulpa Guide

Best guide gets first approval, naturally.
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RE: Fede's Ultimate Superior Tulpa Guide

NotAnonymous' vote is "Approved", I am told. That gives this guide 9 votes out of 12, so overall approved. Of course, as new GATs come in they are welcome to post approval/disapproval, which can be considered when added.
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RE: Fede's Ultimate Superior Tulpa Guide

waffles Wrote:NotAnonymous' vote is "Approved", I am told. That gives this guide 9 votes out of 12, so overall approved. Of course, as new GATs come in they are welcome to post approval/disapproval, which can be considered when added.
To clarify, in my first post I've said "Approved" or "Blank Vote".
If the vote is counted as "Approved", you get 9/12 or 0.75 approval rate (0.6 is needed for it to pass).
If my vote is counted as "Blank", then for this particular thread I'm not counted toward the total number of members, thus you have a 8/11 approval rate, or 0.(72) approval rate, which is again above the 0.6 needed for a guide to be approved. In either case, the final choice is the same.

As for my closing words why my vote is as it is:
The guide works for those that have the matching mindset - for example, Fede reports that his tulpas do exhibit most of the traditional qualities of independence a tulpa made using more normal methods exhibits - that said, some things he has yet to achieve (such as switching) - it will be interesting to see updates on that if he achieves it.
Obviously anyone who doesn't agree with his philosophy wouldn't use it, thus it doesn't constitute "bad advice" - people are expected to be able to think and see if they agree with the beliefs of the guide author or not - if they don't, there's no reason they should use the guide - for example, I tend to enjoy just interacting with my tulpas freely without needing to do any parroting, however some people may prefer parroting as a creation method and they do believe it will work and given what they report, it seems to work for them.
To summarize: Use the guide is you agree with it, don't if you don't. From an objective standpoint and given the current reports, it seems to give the desired results for those that agree with the guide and anybody who disagrees with it wouldn't be caught using it. Also, the guide itself is well-written and has various tips (such as imposition ones) which may be useful even if one doesn't subscribe to Fede's philosophy, thus it's still worth a read either way.
12-08-2013, 06:32 PM
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RE: Fede's Ultimate Superior Tulpa Guide

(12-08-2013, 06:32 PM)NotAnonymous Wrote: Fede reports that his tulpas do exhibit most of the traditional qualities of independence a tulpa made using more normal methods exhibits - that said, some things he has yet to achieve (such as switching) - it will be interesting to see updates on that if he achieves it.
Like in the previous tl;dr posts, you make it seem like switching is the one thing that "confirms independence as much as possible". I can see the point in that. That's fine. It's simply your use of the word "achieve"; just because I don't and have not practiced switching, does it not mean there's not any independence present. I consider possession and switching as being tools; optional. But I think I already made this clear in my previous posts, or so I hope.

(12-08-2013, 06:32 PM)NotAnonymous Wrote: I tend to enjoy just interacting with my tulpas freely without needing to do any parroting, however some people may prefer parroting as a creation method and they do believe it will work and given what they report, it seems to work for them.
You exercise an extraordinary ability to not get the point of my method, time and again. When you've parroted for a long while, there's no "need" to do any parroting anymore consciously. It's automated, and the tupper in question is as independent as can be from the host's point of view. You very likely can't stop it unless you make an incredibly earnest effort to escape it, and trying to "reparrot" would just be like imagining something on-top of something that's already behavioural. You not getting this just forces me to keep replying to these sorts of statements to ensure people don't get the wrong idea thanks to you.
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RE: Fede's Ultimate Superior Tulpa Guide

Definitely approved.

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12-09-2013, 06:47 PM
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RE: Fede's Ultimate Superior Tulpa Guide

Fede's guide has gone through a lot of changes since it was posted here, and there was a major update to it recently. It's a nice philosophy, an alternative view to what most people hold here, so probably worth a read for anyone here.

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RE: Fede's Ultimate Superior Tulpa Guide

That's probably the best guide I've ever read, though that statement shouldn't be taken too strongly. Lot of good stuff from what I skimmed over, and not too biased. Of course like with any guide, the writer's personal biases are going to be mixed in, but no one's word is gospel anyways. Overall very useful.

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RE: Fede's Ultimate Superior Tulpa Guide

Alright, here we go

Quote:Philosophy-wise, the guide approaches tuppers from a simple point of view: as imaginary friends – things you create in your mind – and nothing more. Some people like to consider tuppers as being real people; existing, and/or deserving as much respect, as much as anyone else, and they use various arguments in an attempt to justify this. However, you can't expect people to want to indulge in your fantasy or "recognise" the existence of the things you create in your mind. To everyone else, you're still just one person. This guide assumes this perhaps rather mundane, but nonetheless reality-oriented viewpoint.
This on it's own is enough to get the guide disapproved. Easy, done.
Joking aside, I suppose you're not wrong, to an outsider you're one person. So, despite being blatantly against .info's front page beliefs, I'll continue.

Quote:Before you begin for real, you should have a good idea of how you want your tupper to be like in terms of personality, visuals, voice, scent, and physical touch...
This entire preparation section actually is one of the better personality/ form forcing sections I've seen in a guide and actually has a good reason to do both. I think it could have been expounded upon personality-wise, however.

Quote:Or make them ask you one
Perhaps change this to "Or encourage them to ask you one."
Then again, this is your philosophy, and your guide is riddled with this idea of "making" the tupper do things. I'm not going to point out every one.

Quote:Make them realistic, not cartoony.
This is pointless. Who cares if a tulpa appears cartoony? It's their mind and such. If they want more realistic detail to a cartoony form, sure, talk about that. However, it's the host and tulpa's choice for whether or not they want their form.

The next section, about how everyone has a different idea about how the world works, I think is flawed in it's reasoning. You share a mind with your tulpa, so they're going to share experiences. I think it's good to encourage your tulpa to think, but it's a dicey road because you may also cause division in-system.

The next section...
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...is stupid. What's the point of it? People don't get tulpas just to make interacting with them obtuse.

Quote:Use Eye-Bo, the ocular fitness program.
And thus I come to the meme phrase. Even if there is some logic to this, which there isn't, you need to explain that line of thinking for why you think Eye-bo, the ocular fitness program, will help with specifically alpha and theta waves.

Quote:Zoom in on your tupper's features.
If you've never spent much time visualising before, chances are it's pretty difficult for you to visualise your tupper's entire form all at once. What you can do is instead zoom in on your tupper's body and focus on visualising one thing at a time; the face, then the chest, then the arms, and so on.
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Now that Lenny gave you a throwback to 2012, this is honestly not a bad section. I just wanted to point out that maybe pointing out the chest is a tad unsubtle

Quote:Use your hand as a depth guide
This section's instruction is really vague. Like, my hand is a reference to focus on my tulpa then..? The guide says depth so I assume to get a rough idea for the space a tulpa takes up? It's just very unclear what I'm supposed to do. Do I pantomime a single headpat? Does it go on her collar? This section could use expounding on.

Quote:Visualise your tupper while looking at yourself through a mirror.
Visualising your tupper in your environment can easily lead to inconsistent heights; one moment they're taller than usual, and next the opposite. Standing in front of a mirror while visualising your tupper next to you can be good practice in this regard.
Most people actually have a good sense of proprioception. I'm actually not really sure where you get the idea. Using more modern terms, I can understand visualization (mental imagery) being inconsistent height wise. However, seeing what you call visualization (imagining the tulpa in a real space), you always have proprioception as a reference so I'm having more difficulty understanding that this could even be a problem in the first place. Additionally, I'm curious how a mirror helps? I don't think a visual aid would somehow get you a better idea of their height so much as consistently understanding how tall they should be in relation to you. I suppose I could just be blabbing and this actually be an issue and me, the unenlightened, could be making a fool of himself. However, in my current understanding, this section seems useless at best, silly at worst.
In fact, you even use proprioception in a way in the very next section to help with this.

Quote:Blink repeatedly.
What? This section seems like a good meme. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how this helps. Is the image mental or is it imposing it? If you're imposing it on your environment, you probably don't need this exercise. If it's mental... well, you use different parts of your brain for mental and physical imagery and while they can affect eachother with expectation, I don't think blinking repeatedly would be the tool to utilize that.

Quote:Yell "What?" if they're trying to speak to you from far away.
... just make sure you're home alone.

Quote:Listen to static noise and mentally warp the audio to resemble words.
While pink noise can be used to detract from the noise of one's environment for the sake of intentionally induced hallucinations, I'm not so sure about an intentional use, especially if it's particularly static. I'm not sure this would be any better than just trying to listen for noise that isn't there at all in the first place.

Eyebo, the ocular fitness program, and belief implanting strike back. Advertising your own product is nice, but it's not approved by anyone official and is thus about as reliable as GearHeart's hypnosis videos. As for the belief implanting, talk about it earlier if it's so important.

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RE: Fede's Ultimate Superior Tulpa Guide

(05-17-2019, 05:47 PM)Ponytail Wrote: I just wanted to point out that maybe pointing out the chest is a tad unsubtle

you're a perv, the chest is just a part of the body (he could've said torso but that's unnecessary to change)

anyways I actually read the guide, aaand

it seems pretty much perfect, minus a couple things depending (you guys are overstating the "lack of/belief in tulpa sentience" part I think): "Create a backstory"/believing your tulpa exists when you aren't thinking of them is a super.. not-loved thing in the community these days, and it led to a lot of problems when it came to discussing how tulpas actually worked back in the day. The belief implanting section was kinda weird and not something that ever caught on unlike a lot of the rest of the guide.. Also, visualization and imposition are 200% mixed together in his guide, which would be bad (along with some other stuff in it) for people who intend to be part of this community

but that leads me to how I feel about this guide - if you separate it from the community, like as something people just find on the internet who don't want to get involved with a whole community for tulpas and really just want to make one, this guide is basically perfect, like it covers so many good things for such an old guide in that scenario

buuut, y'know, lots of what it said has been rounded out by the community over the years and so outside of finding this guide and nothing else on its own, I think it's a tiny bit dangerous to be having in our approved guides section without a warning that it's heckin' old and some people disagree with parts of it

... it's, apparently already in the approved guides section, so uhh.. it would've been best not to bump it in the first place I think, but anyways it's a solid heckin' guide from not just a "skeptic" view but a "totally know nothing about tulpamancy or plurality communities in general" one, which I mean if we're hosting here on the forum is obviously not the intended audience right?

I dunno, as long as anyone that finds it realizes it's super old and from a time when the tulpa community was still heavily debating what tulpas even are, I think it's good enough, certainly interesting to have to look back at!

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