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How Do You Keep Motivated When Progress is Lacking?


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Title pretty much says it all. We have tons and tons and tons and tons of shit talking about doubt, talking about creation- but what about when progress is going great, and then... it starts to slow, maybe even completely fucking pause? Obviously not everyone is gonna flip and lose all motivation, but some do. And so, I wanna hear what keeps you guys going in those lulls of activity- mainly outta curiosity, but hey. This might motivate those kinds of people currently stuck.

If I had a nickel for every time someone called me gay... It'd go to my host because I don't care enough to collect it.

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Oh, that's easy. After the first few weeks we hit a wall. I have only progressed a little since then. But you know what? There's plenty of other stuff we need to do. So we changed focus.

 

Oh, maybe that counts as not being motivated, deciding to do other stuff instead?

 

The exercises we still do daily are either fun, or tests. We just do them not expecting results.

Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.

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The thing about progress, especially progress that seems to stack up back to back is that it’s probably the introduction of novel occurrences. And when the novelty seems to wear off (which is contingent on how much the person personally retains that novelty of things), that is probably where one would get the idea that progress is at a pause.

 

It’s probably because as a person goes through self-reflecting the progress as seemingly miraculous in some way, how that progress continues to stack, or not is maybe due to how much they feel their individual perspective on reflecting on it can last before they become exhausted. Let’s say someone finally reached an outcome towards some struggle, or some specific task, there may be a little bit of boredom after everything’s said and done, and that person has to continue embracing that there may be some instrumentality in their lives, and then they continue to pre-occupy themselves with day-to-day things.

 

In relation to progress with the tulpa-in-question, it’s no surprise that when a person reaches what seems to be a pause in progress could be correlated to the individual experiencing an existential boredom of things after figuring out some kind of tidbit of awareness, or whatever epiphany they may have that seems novel and miraculous. I say boredom as in a potential mentality they take awareness of after trying to investigate what it means to treat a tulpa as sentient.

 

And if one takes into consideration of instrumental and value rationality, this philosophy of treating a tulpa as sentient becomes a progressive endeavor of seeking out how they, as host, ought to do something about the ideation of a tulpa being treated as sentient within their own mind; along with also having to cope with the environment they interact with others in as well.

 

Some people may see motivation as continually finding ways to validate to themselves that a tulpa could share the same capacity of sentience, gaining experiential context over time (vs. being relied on past scenarios that may have been fabricated), and being aware of being caught up with the human condition (survival, boredom, instrumentality of things in life). And when a person is not as motivated, it’s because maybe that sustained investigation over existential questioning of sentience, and what have you can get a little daunting.

 

And when they can’t handle certain bits of information, they may create a justification from that lack of tying things together (which seems to be the source of skepticism creeping up all over again). But, isn’t that a means to be motivated in the future? The probability that even though we can’t know the totality of our minds, we can take a pause, and get back into it when we feel capable of doing so? That’s why I feel understanding the human condition and all that it entails along with whatever correlates with sentience, sapience, etc. goes hand in hand as the sustainability of novelty with the whole phenomenon with tulpas.

 

In other words, taking a pause, or noticing things going slow is probably just a person unconsciously trying to string together a coherent thought experiment (not talking about tulpas as thought experiments, mind you) in their mind that could help them find some reasoning behind these seemingly novel experiences of progress with a tulpa.

 

 

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As for motivation, I guess you could say one can become insatiable in their investigation to propel them to figure out more about themselves, their tulpas, human condition, and such. But, not to the point where they go so far, and they end up being paralyzed by their own intellect. This daily juggling between trying to distract oneself from existential boredom is probably motivation enough because the more one seems to treat a tulpa as sentient, the more they’re likely to be aware of these things. It’s just a matter of how they choose to respond to this awareness, and decide if they should collectively develop experiential context over time with each other to validate a sense of otherness within the same mind.

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I guarantee you in my case, my host has retained fascination with my sentience sapience well beyond when we stopped making daily progress.

 

Since October, the vast majority of our progress has been slow and gradual, and hardly noticeable. We have focused on my intellectual growth.

 


 

Hmm, I don't think there is a difference between instrumental and value rationality. Rather, one uses logic or alternatively intuition to do the same calculations over both problem types. Problems of dynamical systems, and problems of value judgement.

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I just don't :o

I personnally gave up on switching or whatever skill we were trying to master. Putting so much effort for absolutely no result made me tilt completely.

Cora still would like to work on it, but I gave up. We'll stay as is for now.

Maybe my visualisation (I mean all senses in wonderland) will get better with time passing by, and maybe we'll learn how to switch without trying to. But I gave up on trying.

No animosity intended ever 

 

Cora now has her own account ! :D

 

English isn't our native language, please be indulgent :)

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Much like the tide, so too do aspects of our lives ebb and flow. Our endeavours regarding thought-forms or tulpas are no exception.

 

If there is at least one similarity carried over from when tulpas were limited to mystic circles in Tibet, it is the gargantuan amount of time and effort one seemingly places into making and understanding a tulpa. Everyone is different, so others do indeed take longer than some...

 

While there is something of a process involved, I found it easier to not ascertain the sum of one's efforts so mechanically or by rote practises repeated until desired effects are achieved, as if one were mixing dough for pastries by following a recipe. On the rather, remind yourself that by creating a tulpa, you are in effect inviting another human being to share your life. Depending upon what you intend to do with your tulpa, there could exist physical or mental strain as well as some resistance, as everyone has their own tolerances and preferred methodology. In this vein of thought, I personally appraise life with tulpas to be more of an existential journey akin to one's own path, rather than a perfected, isolated state or ultimate destination.

 

For the very least, you may take comfort in that you are not the only one to have this issue. While I am not privy to the entirety of your situation, I am certain someone here can point you in the right direction.

I've seen good people bleed

And I thought I'd seen it all

But my own two eyes would prove me wrong that day.

 

There are things that I've done

Only seen by the sun

And those things will be buried in my grave.

 

 

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I pretty much admit, i feel like i've reached our peak of our progress. All my tulps are very independent and solid in any of their form, character and sentience. Sure, we are still lacking with some facet with other activities, like hallucionary imposition but i feel like we don't need or have to practice it.

 

We feel comfortable with the current experience currently have, we could communicate properly, all of us can experience all of the senses and can use the body easily and we can, i think, switch.

 

So, instead we focus more on what we can do in the real world, on how we can influence each other. Go through the challenges daily life gives us. You could say my motivation for lacking progress are the things you can do or look forward to outside tulpa and more on discovering who my tulpas are and myself, shaping more of their characters.

Hello! I am nihi, i have 3 tulpas

Summer

Myrtle

Cherry

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Don't turn on the computer. If you use a smartphone, turn it off, too. Leave both off until a fixed time, e.g. 20:00. Don't seek instant gratification. Allow yourself to get bored.

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When I'm not feeling motivated to do things like study or draw, I either power through it or take a break. When it comes to not being motivated to do tulpa shit, I pretty much have to tell myself to suck it up and just do it. It doesn't matter how I'm feeling. I have someone relying on me to exist right now. With that in mind, I don't really struggle so much with it. It also helps to keep in mind that improvement isn't everything. Just existing is nice in its own right.

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