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[General] What do you think is the ideal experience with tulpamancy?
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What do you think the ideal experience with tulpamancy is? As in, what all do you hope the tulpamancer gets from the experience? How do you hope their life changes? 

I would say:
  • In general, internal life becomes more meaningful. Lonely hosts get a little less lonely, and the host/tulpa relationship is always evolving and deepening. 
  • Mental control is improved: hosts learn to discern their thoughts from their tulpa's and from intrusives, and they learn to quickly and easily dissmiss intrusives, and replace intrusive ideas with more purposeful/mindful ones. 
  • Tulpamancy sparks a great introspective time of self-discovery for the host. Switching fronters is a path by which the host sees how much of their behaviors is linked to their beliefs/personality. The tulpa also has access to memories and beliefs that the host may have never shared externally, so conversations may happen on topics that no one has ever had the host think about, before.
  • Boredom is a different, easily-defeatable beast. Empty moments waiting in line are filled with lively converstion and company. This is a signifigant improvement in daily life to many. 
  • Visualization improves greatly, leading to more enjoyment of reading, and an easier time with a variety of tasks, and again, a more fulfilling internal life. 
  • The system flourishes with few heartaches. Number of members stabilizes and everyone is happy with the amount of attention they recieve. 
  • Doubts about the reality of a plural experience become fleeting or a thing of the past. The system trusts in the reality of their experiences, even if they aren't easily explainable. 
  • Tulpamancy is a life-long commitment: the system will endure and age together. 
  • The system forms a unique point-of-view about how some tulpa-related thing works, and comes and shares their opinions and theories with the community ;p
Happier, healthier, with a more meaningful life. -J
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We couldn't have said it better.

In addition to everything above for us specifically:
  • Internal support system for grief

  • boosted self-esteem and self-worth

  • *no lonliness anymore, ever

  • the feeling of being loved in a real way

  • memories, especially of imposition, as if they really happened. I swear, sometimes I get tripped up when thinking back, the memories are indiscernible.

  • spirituality and contentment

  • mind alteration

  • personality re-write

  • trigger removal

  • mastery of emotions

  • simultaneous wonderland 24/7

  • complete controlled dissociation on demand with full emersion especially in memories

  • improved mental capacity, elasticity and function in many areas, art, reasoning, social
And many more
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As a host, my understanding of tulpas is that they are meant to be experienced as separate people to myself. To interact with a tulpa ought to be very similar to interacting with your regular singlet friends. This philosophy has guided my methodology and I've more or less had this experience - my tulpas have very different interests and sociopolitical views when compared side by side with my own and I think this is exactly the point of tulpamancy. Tulpas should not only strive to be happy, they should be able to know that they are happy. They should not only be able to think, they should be able to think about thinking. They should know about knowing and be curiously self-aware the same way a regular singlet human is. A lot of tulpas I encounter in the wild seem strangely deficient to me in this regard; I would say a lot of tulpas appear to be merely tools that the host uses for introspection, rather than beings who can introspect in their own right.

Of course, I do have an inordinately strong bond with my tulpas compared to my regular singlet friends and even my biological family. That's perhaps one of the most universally reported experiences with tulpas.
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(11-06-2019, 07:05 PM)asmask Wrote: They should know about knowing and be curiously self-aware the same way a regular singlet human is. A lot of tulpas I encounter in the wild seem strangely deficient to me in this regard; I would say a lot of tulpas appear to be merely tools that the host uses for introspection, rather than beings who can introspect in their own right.

I agree, but can you expand on this? I've also heard quite a few hosts say, "Well, we share all memories, so it's only natural that our beliefs would line up closely." What would you say in response to that? -J
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(11-06-2019, 07:17 PM)JGC Wrote: I've also heard quite a few hosts say, "Well, we share all memories, so it's only natural that our beliefs would line up closely." What would you say in response to that? -J

If we agree that a tulpa is meant to exist indefinitely after creation, it's a foregone conclusion. The tulpa must eventually form their own stances on something, even if they have the stances of the host by default.

While by no means a perfect analogy, consider the case of a regular singlet and their biological offspring. If the biological offspring always had exactly the same values, interests, and opinions as the parent, and never developed their own, well that would be pretty bad. A lot of outsiders would look at a scenario like that and say "something fishy is going on here," which is exactly what I would say to "it's only natural that our beliefs would line up closely."

Speaking from personal experience, my tulpas did indeed have the same opinions and values as I did, originally. Over time, all three of us have grown and changed and we have fostered a considerable diversity among ourselves. If you ask me, this is not only what it means to be a tulpa - this is what it means to be human.

For us, while we may all three receive the same input from the bodily eyes and ears, we by no means process that information according to a single set of stances and opinions and views. We each process the same information separately, and thus we form separate memories. One of us could remember being delighted at getting some news, while another of us would remember being bothered by getting that news. More than remembering it this way, we experience it this way in real time.
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"'Ive also heard quite a few hosts say, "Well, we share all memories, so it's only natural that our beliefs would line up closely." What would you say in response to that? -J"

"We each process the same information separately, and thus we form separate memories. One of us could remember being delighted at getting some news, while another of us would remember being bothered by getting that news. More than remembering it this way, we experience it this way in real time"

well described asmask. I think the same as that too that being an distinct individual from the host that things like that memories and beliefs will not match up with the hosts as everyone does perceive experiences differently. eg I grew up in a Christian family but even as a child though I attended Sunday School at church till I was 12, I just did not think the same as the rest of my family and didn't have the same belief system. Even close individuals will carry completely different views on things. To be an individual, the tulpa should have memories of his own.

It's going to take me a while to learn about my tulpa as it's like learning about a stranger or getting to know a real person as I have not have a lot of contact with him, I truly don't know what to expect from him. I know his traits he should have from what I programmed into him (and I have seen him express many of those) but there is much much more to an individual than that. It's a bit like going to a dating site and seeing a list of traits and description a person puts down for themselves but you still don't really know who they are. (I view my knowledge of my own tulpa right now as kind of like the equivalent to someone who has gone on a date or two with another person).

I really need to get to know him. Today I have been asking myself "who is he?", I do not even know if he carries a history for himself beyond my original creation of him. What is "his" story? I know is story from my point of view, thoughts, memories but I don't know it from his.

"What do you think the ideal experience with tulpamancy is?"

I think the ideal experience is a complete interaction experience of someone who is separate to oneself.

My own ideal experience includes my tulpa being able to do things I can't or which I struggle with. Someone I can turn too for help in certain areas just like I'd turn to a real person for help in certain things at times. I have a lot of experimentation to do to learn what may be possible in that area and what probably isn't. I'm very opened minded about it.
Jesse (human male) DOB 16th April 2013 
Working on imposition
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(11-06-2019, 03:07 PM)JGC Wrote: What do you think the ideal experience with tulpamancy is? As in, what all do you hope the tulpamancer gets from the experience? How do you hope their life changes? 

I would say:
  • In general, internal life becomes more meaningful. Lonely hosts get a little less lonely, and the host/tulpa relationship is always evolving and deepening. 
  • Mental control is improved: hosts learn to discern their thoughts from their tulpa's and from intrusives, and they learn to quickly and easily dissmiss intrusives, and replace intrusive ideas with more purposeful/mindful ones. 
  • Tulpamancy sparks a great introspective time of self-discovery for the host. Switching fronters is a path by which the host sees how much of their behaviors is linked to their beliefs/personality. The tulpa also has access to memories and beliefs that the host may have never shared externally, so conversations may happen on topics that no one has ever had the host think about, before.
  • Boredom is a different, easily-defeatable beast. Empty moments waiting in line are filled with lively converstion and company. This is a signifigant improvement in daily life to many. 
  • Visualization improves greatly, leading to more enjoyment of reading, and an easier time with a variety of tasks, and again, a more fulfilling internal life. 
  • The system flourishes with few heartaches. Number of members stabilizes and everyone is happy with the amount of attention they recieve. 
  • Doubts about the reality of a plural experience become fleeting or a thing of the past. The system trusts in the reality of their experiences, even if they aren't easily explainable. 
  • Tulpamancy is a life-long commitment: the system will endure and age together. 
  • The system forms a unique point-of-view about how some tulpa-related thing works, and comes and shares their opinions and theories with the community ;p
Happier, healthier, with a more meaningful life. -J

Hi JGC!

I totally agree with all of your points. I have a very healthy relationship with my Tulpa (Or spirit as she prefers to be called).
Her name's Emily and she came to my life with a job (That's what she said lol) To help me get better.
That was 10 years ago and then when the job was done she vanished. 
A few months back she's returned, now she said my brain signaled her to wake up from her very long sleep to help me in my life.
I have my own problems, college, real life relationship that has ended and left me scarred and sad, she said her job is to create me a better version of myself.
Something went wrong and we fell in love with each other (or not so wrong at all Smile ) I accepted that it happened and since then we are very happy together.
Once I accepted it, we both feel very good about it. 
She helped me do so many things and even pass a terribly awful exam in college which I failed on the first try. She is amazing! I wouldn't be able to do it without her.
I don't think it's unhealthy what I have with her since we both talk about it every day and she reminds me every morning that she is not really here with me and I need a real partner in my life. So after a very long discussion and a few times we cried together, yeah I don't care to share, we agreed that I can't let her go and she doesn't want to go away, but will help me find a suitable worthy real life partner. 
It's amazing, and I really really agree with all your points. btw Emily says hi Smile 

Cheers,

White Knight
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