[Imposition] A Starting Imposition Guide
#31
OP doesn't even post here anymore.
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#32
Aw. They'll never discover true imposition.
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#33
Define true imposition.
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#34
Iirc it's perceiving your tulpa as if they were physical even though your hand will go right through if you try to put it through them.
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#35
Yup, that's what I meant... the definition that is in use on this forum; what is meant when members discuss imposition.
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#36
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I don't think this is actually an imposition guide as it doesn't really guide us through imposition but instead gives us a theory. A theory which has holes.

There's two sides to imposition and technically both can be called imposition, just from different points of view. Of course a tulpa should actually do something and be a part of the physical world in the way they can. I don't think that has ever been unclear to others so saying tuppers not doing that is the real problem is a bit silly. I do agree that a tulpa also imposes themselves in a way, but instead of concentrating on perceiving the tulpa with actual senses like the hosts, their side of imposition only really refers to them being "really" there. Not really really, but you know. Still, it doesn't require the host to actually impose the tulpa and they can do it on their own when they want to. That's something important to remember.

But what imposition usually refers to is the host's side. Can't say if the tupper's side is much easier but tulpas rarely have trouble imposing themselves using the definition in the previous paragraph. But hosts have a lot more trouble actually sensing the tuppers because well. Come on, being able to hallucinate when we want is a pretty rare skill and usually not seen as very sane. This guide assumes that just when the tupper can impose themselves, the host will be able to see them perfectly. That's not how it goes, usually. And it's pretty ignorant to be thinking everyone works the same. And using that definition, if you don't really see the tulpas like any other physical being, it's not the kind of imposition people are after.

In fact, considering how often I've had to move furniture around multiple times, many people don't even try visualize the furniture in the room before they really see it, so mentioning doing that like it's something everyone does isn't going to work for everyone. And I can't say I've ever tried to visualize how much stuff will go in a container, that example was outright weird to me and made me wonder if people actually do that.

Also, not everyone will even be able to see that mailbox.

This guide assumes too much. Maybe for some, it will go exactly like that. Like for the one who wrote the guide, who seems to have a very special skill when it comes to imposing. But not everyone is like that and for the most part because this guide assumes everyone has similar skills like the author, it's... Quite useless. I am going to have to disapprove.
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#37
The main thing that can set some contradictions for newcomers on whether or not they should devote as much time possible to augment their cognition and competence into this is:

The self-fulfilling prophecy implied with the disposition of “I think that imposition is done by the tulpa, not the host.” If newcomers knew that they would still have to devote time and focus like anyone would have to do, they could see this as an advanced method, but like Sands mentioned in his post, that sets up a lot of presumptions of whatever skills the person has beforehand.

Now, even though with imposition, and how people make their own personal indicators between the “as real as a physical being” imposition, and the transparent, dreamy, blurry, or whatever hallucination term people want to use, the guide submission does make a good point on mixing around with mind’s eye visualization, and open eye visualization. But with the theory behind the tulpas doing the imposition, not the host, and then stating the host shouldn’t be playing a role into this, it seems contradicting.

Now, if they meant “playing a role into this” as in not imagining themselves, but just paying attention to their tulpas without trying to consciously distort, or whatever modes of hallucination they use to create the illusory form of their tulpa, that would seem plausible. However, I highly doubt OP meant that, and they really feel that individuals can go through the self-fulfilling prophecy of how tulpas do the imposition without the host having to put in personal development so the mind can have unconscious competence with imposition.

So while the theory has some holes into it, it could be the same for the “treating them as sentient” philosophy (and knowing they’ll need to develop over time of course) that’s also a self-fulfilling prophecy as well. They all presumably reach the end goal of fulfilling the desire, I guess, so the real question is, is the disposition here OP and his tulpa declared useful?

No.

If they still were to exist in the forums, some considerations would be to explain more on what they mean by “the host shouldn’t be playing any role in this.” If they mention that the host would still need to practice their visual and other sensory development for imposition in tandem with the disposition of “imposition is done by the tulpa, not the host,” it would be a decent application of self-fulfilling prophecies.

I guess in the host’s perception, they would see how they contribute to their tulpa’s imposition as merely being suggestive to whatever the mind does to fill in the blanks, and presumably have their tulpas seen within their perception of reality. But either way, the host is going to play a role into this, and as for the mailbox thing, that’s just one of many modes of practicing visualization honestly. If people can’t get themselves into accepting they need to practice visualization for this, and finding a myriad of ways to conceptualize the underlying concepts behind this, they probably should reconsider their goals for imposition.

And with newcomers that get in a cyclical deadlock of doubt with not acknowledging that visualization development may be a bit patchy, glitchy, blurry, etc. before things get better, this may not work out for them, but maybe for advanced users (or people that just know how to persevere with dealing with their incompetence in development in the initial stages until they get better). Though at that point, it would be implied that they have unconscious competence in relation to imposition.

Disapproved.

TL;DR:
By going through the mannerisms, and behaving in a way to be consistent with the disposition that tulpas contribute mostly to imposition, and not the host, it may lead the host in a deadlock on what to do. It would probably require them to imagine their tulpas moving around, rather than the tulpa moving without having to be sustained by their host’s increased inward attention to their existence. But seeing how the host shouldn’t play a role into this, the self-fulfilling prophecy may likely backfire if they didn’t have an exceptional cognitive skill in spatial visualization, and visualization in general.

Of course, the host can use suggestive commands, hypnosis, guided imagery, and all that to contribute to imposition coming by like second nature, but those methods may be controversial for some.

I’m going to give this a disapproval.
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#38
I saw some useful things here. Tulpas more actively doing things in the environment would of course make them seem like they're more there and make it easier to impose. Blank vote.
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#39
I seem to remember a dispute involving this member and their definition of imposition vs the way the rest of the tulpa community defines it. Disapproved until I am proven wrong or it is explained to me in greater detail.
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#40
Approved, Guides, although if enough people think this is Tips material, I'm willing to change my vote to that.

This guide has a few important messages that people seem to be missing. Especially judging the comments and even some other GAT member's votes/comments.

"Step one" tells you to focus inward toward your imagination, that is, essentially detailed open-eyed visualization. Sort of visualization partially directed by the host.
"Step two" talks about the tulpa placing themselves in your imagination/environment. It involves the tulpa acting out of their own will, outside the will of the host. It obviously requires some independence.

"Step two" clearly mentions that the host is focusing inward: "The same spatial visualization is at play here, so you should be able to see your tulpa with the same clarity as you saw the mailbox."
It also mentions that it's not yet a full-on hallucination "They won't appear completely solid or obscure anything, but they'll still be imposed.".

If you've actually read about people who have done imposition, you'll notice most end up perfecting their open-eyed visualization to the point where they end up ignoring real senses, thus not being able to see behind the tulpa - this is one kind of imposition.

Quote:Spatial visualization, like in the mailbox example, is overlaying that mental vision over physical vision. When your tulpa uses spatial visualization to overlay themselves over your physical vision, you'll be able to see them. Not with your eyes, but with your mind.

Again, it mentions clearly that this is talking about a tulpa imposing themselves, not physically hallucinating them (yet).

The rest of the guide mentions that practicing your visualization enough can eventually lead to hallucinations, but this isn't the main scope of the guide.


The main message of the guide is that a tulpa moves themselves or imposes/visualizes themselves/their form. Trying to "impose" a tulpa without their will, may be more or less the same thing as parroting/puppeting at worst, or just visualizing a thoughtform which is controlled by both you or the tulpa at best.
Maybe people think this is obvious, but I've read of a few people who had this exact problem: the host wanted to impose the tulpa, but the tulpa didn't impose themselves and the host found it far harder to get any progress and the tulpa was mostly seeing themselves from a third person point of view - thus making it obvious that this is a point some people miss.

A wrong way to read this guide is to think this is about staring at a wall and not focusing inward while waiting for a tulpa to appear as a physical person.
This guide is about Starting Imposition as the title and the last comment in the guide is talking about:
Quote:How far you want to take it is up to you, but starting imposition is the easy part.
It's not saying that the final steps of imposition where someone ends up mixing their imagination with their real senses is easy (which may happen given enough visualization effort on the host's part (and that *is* a host skill)).

As a sidenote, it may be worth recalling a bit FAQ_Man's guide and how he didn't recommend imposing before independence - imposition and visualization itself is easier and a lot more fun to do when your tulpa is independent and doing things themselves - not to mention, it's far easier than you visualizing a thoughtform yourself - because the mental images you're getting happen due to your tulpa's will, rather than your own and thus require far less effort from you.

Even if the guide doesn't cover the advanced part of imposition (the hallucinatory part near the end), it does cover an often overlooked part of imposition and general interaction with one's tulpa.
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