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[Imposition] Imposition question
#1
I think someone has asked about this before but I'm kinda stuck on how to even get visuals on the physical plane. I can see most of my tulpas so clearly in my dreamscape that I almost can't tell that I'm in the dreamscape... And yet I can't seem to get any sense of them to here.

I have had half of them for way more than a year now and they're able to speak (kinda. I can't actually hear them but I can at the same time?) and I thought it would have happened by now!

I have tried visualisation techniques that my friend gave me which included closing your eyes and " feeling your tulpa until you can open your eyes and see them" (something like that, I'm not good at explaining ?) but that has not worked at all. Am I doing something wrong?
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#2
Visualization is not a tulpa-related skill. Your tulpas' levels of sentience won't affect your visualization skills at all, so don't feel like they're stunted or something. You don't need any tulpas to get better at visualization, it's a separate thing.

Best thing would be to just practice as much as you can, by visualizing things in the real world as you go about your day. Doesn't have to be your tulpas, either. Can be absolutely anything. All the while, try to avoid getting frustrated too much. Visualization isn't an essential skill, it's just a fun thing to do. If you get better at it, great! If not, that's alright. Just avoid getting unnecessarily stressed when you practice. Take breaks if you do.
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#3
Religiously practice at least 20 min a day, just like you would in wonderland. My internal visualization is continuing to surprise me and we're on a track to have insanely good visuals and immersion in our mind, but there's nothing more than a presence outside of wonderland. Even any audio imposition i feel from them is inside wonderland.

Of course, that's not to say nothing has happened outside, but only fleeting glimpses, feelings and touches, nothing on demand. So i suspect that it would take months of concentration and practice.

Breloomancer has made the most progress lately and he's very happy with his results, don't be afraid to contact him. He's planning on writing an imposition guide, so i'm sure he will give you a few sneek peek tips on doing it.

Good luck.
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#4
Imposing your tulpa is not an easy task. You haven't necessarily done something wrong, rather you just haven't done anything for long enough to get results. This isn't the sort of thing that will just happen from having tulpas
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#5
I would agree that to do it on demand takes practice, things have and continue to happen on their own, when it does, i like it, but we aren't practicing. I have felt two things recently, one, i was running my hands through Misha's curly hair in wonderland and suddenly felt curls in the palms of my hands irl. Most recently i was doing hypnagogic enhanced wonderlanding and i was suddenly getting the sensation that my jaw was moving by a large degree while talking in wonderland, but it was not moving irl at all. This kind of random imposition always scares me so it doesn't last long, but it happened three times, about 5 minutes apart, for about 1.5 seconds each time. I was well immersed in wonderland at the time obviously. It wasn't just throat muscles twitching.

So yes it can happen spontaneously without actually trying to, but good luck getting it to happen on demand. That's what takes lots of effort.
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#6
(02-06-2019, 05:54 PM)Breloomancer Wrote: Imposing your tulpa is not an easy task.

While that's what "physical plane" sounded like to me, I think what we're actually talking about is near-aphantasia (inability to visualize... while awake) in someone who otherwise has visuals just fine while dreaming. If that's the case, it's incredibly interesting, for sure, and I'd like if 11mail could clarify.

If so, and you're not talking about imposition (tricking your mind into treating controlled hallucinations of your tulpas in the real world as real), normal visualization advice should apply. As long as you're not actually aphantasic (which I think you can't be if you've got clear visuals while dreaming), it should just be a matter of training the mental muscle associated with visualization. This mostly just entails.. trying to see things in your mind, preferably with your eyes closed. Picture places you've been that you're familiar with, objects you know (food, a door or shower, whatever), and so on. The more you practice seeing things in your mind's eye the clearer they'll get, though it can be quite a long process that you need to keep up or the mental muscle gets weaker over time.

It's rare we hear people who can't visualize nearly at all - who also don't have true aphantasia - but I imagine it falls along the same scale as everyone else. Our system has terrible visualization quality (despite three of us in this system being around for nearly nine years), compared to those like Bear who have astounding clarity. You're (hopefully) just unfortunately lower on the scale than even us. If you want to be able to visualize your tulpas, there's a lot of practice in your future. Else, if nothing works after a lot of practice (starting off only having vague ideas of what you're trying to see, then faint blurry inconsistent images, and so on from there), then you may actually be an aphantasiac who nonetheless has visuals in dreams. Which I don't think I've ever heard of.
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#7
Visualization, if practiced 20 min to an hour a day, the improvement is noticeable month to month, not day to day or even week to week. I happen to like it, so we do it religiously every day.
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#8
I'm sorry if I didn't explain well enough!

No I'm fairly sure I don't have aphantasia. To be completely honest my visualisation skills are quite the opposite as I can imagine things almost too easily and Alot of the time involuntary.

I'm pretty sure I'm talking about imposition (sorry if I used the wrong term before!). Imposition is where you make yourself able to see, hear, feel, smell and touch your tulpa's right??

If so that is what I'm having problems with. I can't see them at all like so and the one I'm trying to get on the physical plane simply just won't appear even with me trying to see them. I have 4 tulpas, 2 I made on purpose and the other 2 possibly by accident.

The one I am trying to see first has been with me for 5 years and was possibly made on accident, so I don't feel as if the amount of time practising is the issue. All 4 of them are able to communicate with ease (except one who can't seem to be able to speak), and I can get all the senses in the dreamscape/wonderland but I can't get them out here.

Is my mind just not able to do that or is there something I can do to fix it?
Just call me 11! Not too active and the others don't talk very much to strangers. 

Tulpas that live with me are Scotch, Luna and Osiris!
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#9
Ah, imposition trouble, alright. It is a tricky skill. To a much lesser degree than switching, imposition requires a sort of "mental leap" that has to be figured out on its own in every system. For starters though - your eyes should be open when practicing imposition, obviously, as you're trying to see your tulpas in the real world.

The first sense we recommend starting out with is actually the "sense of presence" - the feeling (and to some extent, belief) that your tulpa(s) is actually there, in the real world. Able to give you the "looking over your shoulder" feeling, for example, or that you're not the only person in a room. I believe that learning to impose the sense of presence will make imposing the rest of the senses onto that presence much easier. Starting from nothing is sort of like trying to jump a hurdle without a running start, I guess. Once you've got the sense of presence down, you (and your tulpas) feel like your tulpas are actually in that space, it becomes much easier to start convincing your mind that it's receiving physical senses like sight from them.

The other nice thing - the sense of presence is an entirely mental task that's entirely up to your ability to do the very basics of imposition, not actually reliant on your visualization or otherwise abilities. Our system is rather poor at visualization, but our sense of presence is incredibly strong - a cold, empty room isn't so cold or empty feeling when we're together, we've found. Of course, we're rather good at using our brain in weird ways, it's something we're practiced at.


Oh, by the way - should really change the thread title to "Imposition" not "Visualization" as it is rather misleading. Others should be able to give (more relevant, with the title change) advice on the subject, but if not, I guess I could go into more detail. Definitely try out the "sense of presence" thing, though - have your tulpa(s) believe they're really there in the world to some extent, just invisible for now. The sense of presence does sort of require more effort than the other senses on your tulpa's part, as they have to be intending themselves to "be out there". It'll also be a good start to them associating with their imposed forms, rather than you doing the equivalent of puppeting them.
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All I want is a simple, peaceful life. With my family.
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#10
Interesting Tewi.  I can project their presence anywhere without them being involved necessarily. I could do this from week one, maybe it's a form of presence puppeting, in that they didn't move (or choose to move necessarily) yet poof, Dashie is across the room. I can't see her at all, but she feels there. In another moment, if I forget what I was doing, poof she's back to being on the couch in wonderland. That's where their presence is, not in the physical world, and the room is no colder for having them there. Only, I can visualize them quite well on that couch and in an instant I'm sitting on the couch next to them, but that's visualization not imposition. That would suppose that if I can put their presence anywhere, then it's more of a trick of my sense of their presence.

Would you say you can actually 'be' in the room next to Lumi? Where is the difference delineated between tricks and imposition or is imposition the trick? Are we trying to trick ourselves or is there an actual placement? I hope the question is clear enough but if not, don't worry about it because I'm just interested in case we ever actually want to do this, we don't at this point. I'd much rather impose myself into wonderland them bring them here. This is what I do in a cold room, picture myself in a warm room instead.
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