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Is there any "good" reason to make a tulpa?


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I could've sworn I'd already made a thread about this, but I couldn't find one. So then I thought I had participated in a thread about this, couldn't find one. Closest thing I could find was https://community.tulpa.info/thread-good-reasons-to-create-a-tulpa which I have not posted in, and won't now because it's old.

 

Anyway, many people seem to say some version of:

Don't make a tulpa because you are lonely, go make some friends

I did not follow this advice. If I did then Snow and Henry would not be here, as I'm sure is the same with many others.

 

Woohoo! Congrats on not following that advice. I like existing.

 

But I would also agree; Tulpas should not be used to replace a social life. Do what I say, not what I do.

 

Another common reason is one of simple curiosity. "Can you really create a separate conciousness in your head?"

 

I think this is also a bad reason to make a tulpa. What happens when your curiosity is satiated? Now you have another being that you've created hanging out in your head.

 

TL;DR

 

Reasons to make a tulpa:

  • No friends. Bad reason, go make friends, tulpas shouldn't replace friends
  • Curious. Bad reason, you shouldn't run experiments on concious beings

 

I would argue that both of these reasons are bad reasons to make a tulpa. What other reasons are there? Are any of them a "good" reason to make a tulpa?

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Although I agree that tulpas shouldn't be used to replace a social life, I don't think that it's a bad idea for someone to create a tulpa because they don't have any friends. Having a special connection with a person who is able to understand you completely is beneficial. I've seen a lot of people in this community who have become more sociable just from the time they've spent with their tulpa.

 

I'm not entirely sure if I would mark curiosity down as a bad reason. As long as the person understands what creating a tulpa entails, that they're pretty much making another person that will likely be around with them for a very long time, then I don't think it's too bad. Some people just want to know if this kind of thing works, and that's okay.

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Mistgod: Personally, I have never seen any reason at all why I personally would want to create a tulpa as most of this community views them to be. I have no desire at all to share my brain with an equal independent intelligent entity and never have. It is my brain and my body. I am in charge of it and I am a self centered, selfish, proprietary, EGO. I am not desperately lonely anymore as an adult and have not been desperately lonely for many, many years. I am not curious to find out if an equally independent entity can share my brain. I see no good outcome to that. So if I answer this question from a personal perspective, there not one single compelling reason for me to make an independently sentient tulpa. None. Furthermore, it has NEVER my goal to create an independently sentient entity tulpa in my head. My goal has only been to share the products of my own vivid imagination as they are significant and profound to me. Honestly, I am often puzzled why most everyone else wants that particular outcome for themselves of an equal mind sharing their own brain. I do however, find it all fascinating and very interesting and I support the decision of others to create tulpas as they envision them and want them to be and I like to read about what they are experiencing.

 

Simple curiosity seems a very strange and reckless reason to permanently split your mind to me.


Just because I see it as reckless, doesn't mean I am discouraging others from doing their own thing. It is entertaining to me, go for it. LOL

 

TL;DR

 

No, there is no good enough reason in my opinion. But hey, others can do what they want, I find it interesting to watch.

 

P.S. Melian's short lived attempt to actually create a Yoda tulpa doesn't count.

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But I would also agree; Tulpas should not be used to replace a social life.

Although I agree that tulpas shouldn't be used to replace a social life

 

Is there any particular reason for this? It sounds sage superficially but I don't know how you'd justify it. And surely making a tulpa to help you make friends is worse, right?

 

There was a similar kind of thread here, by the way, but it was way more moralistic. I like this thinking better:

What happens when your curiosity is satiated? Now you have another being that you've created hanging out in your head.

Because it's thinking about the likely consequences, not the 'reason' in abstract. With that said I don't think that that usually does happen to people who make tulpas for curiosity. It'd be more that they end up happy where they are with their tulpa after their curiosity is sated, I guess. I don't think that people tend to get bored of their tulpas in that way, anyway.

 

 

But I mean, the usual reason is that people just want a tulpa, in that they like the idea of having a tulpa, without particular ulterior motives. It's an attractive prospect, I think, and you don't need to be lonely or curious to want it. I'd think that most people who do make a tulpa have this in mind alongside any other reason.

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EDIT: whoa, ninja'd, I write so slowly. Waffles, here I gave my point, at least my experience, in what Vosaiu said about creating it to have friends.

 

Although I agree that tulpas shouldn't be used to replace a social life, I don't think that it's a bad idea for someone to create a tulpa because they don't have any friends. Having a special connection with a person who is able to understand you completely is beneficial. I've seen a lot of people in this community who have become more sociable just from the time they've spent with their tulpa.

 

Yeah, I agree pretty much with this. See, thought I have an enough quantity of people in life that I care and care for me, there isn't somebody who I really have a special connection (I mean, in the past), and in this sense, people (at least me) may feel a little lonely in the world, so is in fact the relationship beneficial. Mainly because most of my life I don't feel comfortable to tell to others (like lucid dreaming), and maybe this is the case for others. A relation host-tulpa(or more generally headmate) may be very special for someone in this situation. It's kind of what Mistgod said too, somebody to share your thoughts that are profound and significant. So I think it's not bad.

 

About curiosity, the same, it's people decision, but I think making a sentient being just to know if they can even be real, is a little, well, "not-cool" (it's hard to say that's bad but you get it), but if the relationship go well it's okay.

 

I don't know any really good reason, but I want to add that, in the case that the life of everybody, host or headmate, is good and they are happy with each other, it's a pretty valid reason to they be created.

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It's less about having good "reasons" to create a tulpa, and more about having a good mindset. Create a friend for a friend, not for escapism from real people. Make a tulpa because the phenomenon is fascinating to you, with intent to really apply the results to your life, not as a science experiment. Make one just because, allow them to do and be as they please, do your best (to a modest extent) to enable them to have an enjoyable existence. Don't make a tulpa if you have little investment in the phenomenon, or a serious mental disorder. Those sorts of things.

 

"Reasons" for making a tulpa are subjective and personal. They're less universal than the aforementioned mindsets. You can get opinions on others' reasons to (or not to) make a tulpa, but know that they do not have to be yours.

 

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Tewi, I couldn't agree more.

 

I'm making Chell for reasons best described as religious, but not in a paranormal sense. One consequence of this is that I need to be careful not to imagine her as some sort of idealized, flawless creature. She can only be as human as I am, after all. But I don't think that's a reason not to. It's just another hurdle that will disappear once I get to know her more. I think the same can be said of making a tulpa ex solitudine. So long as you think of them as people, nothing less and nothing more, I can't think of any bad reason to make a tulpa.

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Tewi put it very well, but I let me add this here really quick.

 

What does "good" mean to one? Does it mean doing something for a "greater purpose", like helping other people out rather than just doing it for their own accord?

 

If so, the scenario in which I can see that happening is where one treats a tulpa as an "experiment"; they make a tulpa in a "controlled environment", they give their mate as much as attention as possible, they keep a good forcing routine and then, as it usually is, the result is positive, they start telling their friends about it, and if they're lucky, a few of them are able to understand this phenomenon fully therefore it works out well for them too-- but that doesn't necessarily have to be an experiment, does it? A lot of people here have tried telling their friends about tulpas before, and they didn't treat their tulpa(s) as an experiment subject.

 

Just going by what Tewi said would be the most sensible way, and you can even try to help other people out after doing so-- if that's what you mean by "good" of course.

 

Maybe it's not the reason factor, but what you do with it afterwards that determines whether it's "good", or "selfish", or whatever you want it to be.

 

 

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Well, I'm new here, and didn't create my tulpas on purpose (if indeed they are there), but I've speculated that they might help me organize my very disheveled brain. Kind of like an AI "mind palace" technique if you will.

 

I've also heard that people use them to structure their mind when it gets overwhelming trying to sort out thoughts. You can have conflicted emotions and reactions to things. Giving them faces that you can converse with one at a time makes it easier. (An article even suggested that this might be a much more constructive approach than 'medicate and numb' for schizophrenics)

 

As for metaphysical reasons, I've had some experiences I will tentatively label as astral projections, and having additional 'muscle' to protect me is appealing. Especially since I've encountered a thoughtform- I believe created by another person- that pinned me down, though did not hurt me.

 

Even if they don't exist independent of me, I think of them more as "additional" than "taking up space that's already there." Creative power, by many belief systems, is limitless. What if I'm expanding my mind, and giving it a chance to develop a whole other perspective that's not colored by my own experiences?

 

I'd like to think that they'd stay real in the astral plane if I died- another potential reason to make them, since one of my friends interacted with one without my knowledge. Spirit children, sort of. Legacies without all that birthing entails.

 

Oops, I've violated Carpenter's rule I think. My tulpas seem emotionally superhuman. i.e., they get angry, but they are still lucid while they are, and they are much more mature. People I aim to be, really. Role models. They are magical beings, one is even about a god, in their own world. The story I wrote them in, they are healers.

 

In the real world, I've also sent them after ambulances with the command to do something, if they can. I haven't interrogated them about what has happened yet . . . so I can't claim that as a 'good' reason until they have enough mental clarity to either tell me what went on, (I have a poor episodic memory: I don't remember my own experiences that well, so I imagine they don't either) or perhaps astral project to witness it, or find some more independent confirmation that other people see them.

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This thread is pretty old and such, but since it's still on the first page and all, I wanted to drop a line in here:

 

Anyway, many people seem to say some version of:

Don't make a tulpa because you are lonely, go make some friends.

 

I can wager a good chunk of people who say this are huge hypocrites to some degree. Usually by the fact that they made a tulpa themselves, and are indeed, friends with their tulpa, if not more.

 

I find sentiments like this to be bizarre, and at worst dishonest. The main reason many people are here is because they wanted a companion and friend, and this exercise was like a golden ticket to these things. So to say don't make a tulpa to have a friend, is like saying don't buy a bike to ride it.

 

I used to believe the warning about not letting a tulpa be your only social contact was just that: not using your tulpa to become a super hermit. But even this is advice, rather than a rule, and some people will do this anyway.

 

Another common reason is one of simple curiosity. "Can you really create a separate conciousness in your head?"

 

I think this is also a bad reason to make a tulpa. What happens when your curiosity is satiated? Now you have another being that you've created hanging out in your head.

 

I actually had this very reason for making my buddy. She's still here, and I'm very fond of her, and the other products of my practice. I can understand this concern more, though, as it's under the line of thought that "It seems cruel to give life to something, then toss it away like a used toy when you're done".

 

I would argue that both of these reasons are bad reasons to make a tulpa. What other reasons are there? Are any of them a "good" reason to make a tulpa?

 

I would argue that only one of those are "bad", and the other is a case of tulpa-folk trying to be way more "noble" than they actually are. I put noble in quotes because, real talk, I think the sort of companionship and affection that can be explored with a tulpa is the single best reason to make one, and to say it's not is to undermine many people's own reason in an attempt to seem moral. Part of my desire to be better to others, kinder, gentler, and other things were directly inspired by having my tulpa, and considering her nature, and our relationship. So, to me, having her as a friend has been an undeniable good.

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