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You can ask your tulpa to enter your dreams and let you know you're dreaming, though that's about all the advice I can give. My tulpae haven't figured out how to intentionally enter my dreams, but I've heard of other tulpae who can do that.

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Fench says she can intentionally enter my dreams. Usually she just watches them, and sometimes talks to me while I'm dreaming. I haven't had a lucid dream with her yet, but I may have some advice anyway.

 

One of the books I reviewed in my PR had a section on making a wonderland you could visit in dreams. (This was for the purpose of psychic dreamwalking, but let's ignore that for now.) The author suggested really building up the scene with visualization until you get to the point where you can close your eyes and see every little detail. At that point, you'll start to see it in dreams.

 

Maybe that will work for a tulpa as well.

"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson

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I can't advice you on tulpa-induced lucid dream (TILD?) as I haven't got one yet, but I have quite a lot of experience from lucid dreams themselves. Even if I learned about them at young age (to escape nightmares), it never occured to me to actively "see" them until much later.

 

I never bothered with complex reality cheks, I just thought about the POSSIBILITY of lucid dreams each day (and especially right before going to sleep), that you can suddently realize the fact that you are dreaming when things seem strange/impossible. Takes a lot less time and effort than tulpaforcing and you should see results in few weeks. Once you start getting few lucid dreams it starts a positive feedback loop and you end up seeing several in a week.

 

My thinking is that it's easier to train yourself to see lucid dreams and THEN "summon" the tulpa than the other way around. I would also imagine this shared lucid dreaming does wonders to imposing as you can see, hear and feel your tulpa so concretely and long time :)

 

On the subject of wonderland, before I learned about tulpa I attempted to create this static dream place as a "base". Never had much success with it as I didn't spend much time to build it while awake and in lucid dreams I was preoccupied doing something else. But as Sushi pointed out, if you try to impose wonderland to dreams it could serve as a trigger to realize "hey this is all just a dream". Your tulpa's possible presence doubles to serve that purpose :)

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My Host and I have been working towards dreaming together but the farthest we've gotten is that I notice we're dreaming and i wake up and start reviewing what we were dreaming about. It's difficult to capture all the details right, but it's proof enough that we're both witnessing the same dreams so we're going to keep trying

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So, I've been trying to lucid dream for quite some time and never done it. I found out a tulpa c help you, but how? Can any hosts who have done it with their tulpa and tulpae who have helped their hosts lucid dream explain what we both have to do?

 

Tulpas can help you with lucid dreams as much as you can help yourself. Also, what have you been trying exactly, and why do you think it hasn't worked? Judging by your willingness to jump to a miraculously easy solution, I'd say that perhaps your mindset isn't the one required to achieve such a state.

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Nothing to do with tulpas, but I've had more success lucid dreaming from WILD during daytime naps.

 

Basically, I go to my bed for an afternoon nap when I'm not too tired.

Then I lie down completely still in a comfortable position and let my mind wonder.

By keeping thinking while paying zero attention to my body, I slip away into dreamland.

At that point, it almost feels like I'm half-asleep. I'm aware of my physical body and surroundings, but just barely.

I focus all my attention inside the dream and avoid moving my physical body - doing so would desynchronise me with the dream and bring me back to reality. (i.e. wake up)

 

It is absolutely essential to do this when you're not too tired or you'll just fall straight into deep sleep where your consciousness shuts down too to let your brain rest.

 

Sometimes I lucid dream in the mornings, but that usually only happens if I wake up from a dream, and then, immediately focus my consciousness back inside the dream instead of getting up. (DEILD)

 

Interesting thing: I've never had success with DILD, which is supposedly easier, but then again I haven't exactly been intentionally practising.

 

Note: I never read any LD tutorials; I just figured out what works for me on my own.

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It is absolutely essential to do this when you're not too tired or you'll just fall straight into deep sleep where your consciousness shuts down too to let your brain rest.

 

Not necessarily. I've had WILD after being awake for about 80 hours (I was in the army at the moment, 3 week military exercise in the woods and our unit was short on men). I was already so tired that I had started to get hallucinations with open eyes and nodding off to sleep if I stayed stationary for any period of time, even while standing. Finally my relieve came and I got the chance for some R&R. I laid down, closed my eyes and in about 10 (!) seconds I felt like I was falling through the earth with extreme velocity. This feeling was so intense I honestly thought "this is it, I'm dying" (normally, WILD transition isn't nowhere near intensity of this). So, after I lost feeling to my body, I started seeing something: it was very blurry at first but then I realized it was my own hand that I was waving in my dream :)

 

But yes, it didn't take long until I fell into deep sleep due to extreme fatigue. Until that event I was very experienced with lucid dreaming and had few DILD's a week. WILD for me was and still is much trickier as either the process of keeping my mind awake (while body goes asleep) delays sleep onset so much I either give up or I yank back to wakefullness just before REM because I get so excited during the transition. Minor sleep deprivation has always been beneficial for me in this.

 

I've had someone tell me in a dream that I was dreaming, but I didn't believe them.

 

That usually happens when you begin with lucid dream inducing. Later on the chance of full realization (and frequency of these triggers) get nearly 100% :)

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Thanks for all the advice (if a little mixed in responses). I've been doing all the dream journal writings and reality checks necessary and I think I may be on my way. My dreams are more vivid and I remember so much.

 

"Basically, I go to my bed for an afternoon nap when I'm not too tired.

Then I lie down completely still in a comfortable position and let my mind wonder.

By keeping thinking while paying zero attention to my body, I slip away into dreamland.

At that point, it almost feels like I'm half-asleep. I'm aware of my physical body and surroundings, but just barely.

I focus all my attention inside the dream and avoid moving my physical body - doing so would desynchronise me with the dream and bring me back to reality. (i.e. wake up)"

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This sort of confused me, do you mean like a deep meditation? I can do that but it sounds like you're saying I need to dream but without falling asleep.

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